Health Care vote???

Byrnzie wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We will see more jobs being lost because employers will have to pay a fine if they can't afford the amount of INS that the bill says it had to provide.

If an employer can't afford INS then they shouldn't be in business in the first place.

so employers can't afford insurance, citizens can't afford insurance....unless pre existing conditions are excluded and the ability to deny claims at whim are allowed. ??

so nobody can get healthcare I guess. ??

Yeah this is a good system that shouldn't be changed....

I guess he wasn't lying about spreading it around:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... ound-.html

And finally, in 20 years, nobody will remember the excise tax, but people will remember that Obama signed the first sweeping comprehensive health reform bill ever.

I am curious since this was getting a bit of coverage on the Canadian radio stations I was listening to this morning. They kept saying it was the biggest health care reform in the US in 50 years. My question is what happened 50 years ago?

KDH12 wrote:

Seriously you are so very uninformed

First some of the changes are immediate, some take affect in 2014 and others in 2018... not 2050... phasing the changes in is the only way, it has to be a slow process

second the majority of Americans are not against the bill, last stats I heard was that it was split even about 40/40 with the rest undecided

so stop stating your opinion or short sided view as fact

Dude ... stop treating me like Sean Hannity. I'm on your side. Or could be. I just have some questions that need to be answered before I'm fully on board. Fuck.

Secondly, the polls I cited were taken less than 24 hours before the vote. So I'm not sure how the "last stats you heard" could be any more recent than that. I haven't seen a single poll in the past several months -- not one -- that suggested the majority of Americans are for this. Even the Democrats who voted for it know that.

That's not to say it shouldn't have passed anyway. It could be that the majority of people who are against it are misguided, and don't know what's in the bill, or how it will benefit them. Maybe this really is an example of the government knowing what's good for its constituents. I'm not discounting that at all.

You asked where I got my numbers from. I gave you one example, from a reputable poll company, and your response is, "Well, that's not what I heard. You're misinformed."

Goddamn this site is full of jerks sometimes.

woo hoo......now i can abuse my health and still receive health insurance.

slightofjeff wrote:

This from a more recent poll, taken by CBS during Sunday's vote:

As has been the case throughout the health care debate, more Americans think the reform bill will hurt them (35 percent) than say it will help them personally (20 percent).

Again, I'm not saying neccesarily I'm against the bill. I don't really know how I feel. But, judging by the polls, MOST Americans are, and that could hurt the Democrats in the November elections. Especially those serving in more conservative districts.

Is it something more like this image....




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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

So when the company I work for, a smaller business, decides to no longer offer the employees healthcare coverage, what happens to me?

Again, I might be misinformed ... but I'm pretty sure this bill forces your company to offer you affordable insurance, or else be fined $20,000 per employee or something like that.

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

So when the company I work for, a smaller business, decides to no longer offer the employees healthcare coverage, what happens to me?

Again, I might be misinformed ... but I'm pretty sure this bill forces your company to offer you affordable insurance, or else be fined $20,000 per employee or something like that.

* Starting in 2014, businesses with more than 50 employees will be required to either offer healthcare coverage or pay a penalty of $750 a year per full-time worker. The coverage offered will also have to meet minimum benefits -- covering both a specific set of services and 60% of employee health costs overall -- or else employers will face additional penalties

It's cheaper to pay the fines.

The other thing I see happening...a lot of companies with 49 employees and a bunch of contract labor.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i just see the Greek news about the voting...i watch in the past the moor movie...and my question is this..all this years this powerfull ,big country let those poor people die???u couldnt do a surgery couse u didnt have insurance???this is crazy,,we are a small,poor country and health is free for all..if u are rich u can go ofcource in private clinic where are more luxury....the only bad is that in public hospital u give some extra to the doctor,,is a traditional way here to thank the doctor for treat u well..,,really is unbeliavable

Nobody here is letting poor people die. If you need surgery and can't pay, you go to the hospital and get it anyway. The tab is essentially picked up by everybody else.

Don't let your view of America be influenced by Michael Moore. Please.

cincybearcat wrote:

It's cheaper to pay the fines.

The other thing I see happening...a lot of companies with 49 employees and a bunch of contract labor.

Good point. So I guess the real answer to Speedy's question is, the government fines Speedy for not having health insurance.