Health Care vote???
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slightofjeff wrote:I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
Here's some things you can count on:
If your child turns out to have a pre-existing condition, your insurance company will not be able to deny him/her coverage.
If your wife gets sick, your insurance company will not be able to go through your documents and finding a minor typo and using it as an excuse to drop her, forcing you to pay for her life saving operation yourself.
You will not be forced to suffer massive increases in premiums without the insurance companies being able to justify those increases.
There's more, but I'm sure you can appreciate those.Post edited by Starfall on"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"0 -
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...slightofjeff wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...slightofjeff wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.- Busted down the pretext
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don't forget that COBRA will be cheeper and easier to get if you lose your job...Starfall wrote:slightofjeff wrote:I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
Here's some things you can count on:
If your child turns out to have a pre-existing condition, your insurance company will not be able to deny him/her coverage.
If your wife gets sick, your insurance company will not be able to go through your documents and finding a minor typo and using it as an excuse to drop her, forcing you to pay for her life saving operation yourself.
You will not be forced to suffer massive increases in premiums without the insurance companies being able to justify those increases.
There's more, but I'm sure you can appreciate those.
your kids can stay on your insurance to age 26 so if they come out of college and can not find steady employment they are still covered....
and no federal funding for abortion, so it will not be used as birth control on taxpayer dollars.."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...slightofjeff wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
Well, I said "might" .... The majority of Americans were against this bill, rightly or wrongly. I don't think there's any doubting that. It will be up to the Democrats on the block this November to convince the people of what you just said in order to hold their seats.
The fact that none of this takes affect until, like 2050 or whatever, I think hurts the Democrats. They won't be able to run on, "See, it wasn't as bad as you thought." They'll have to run on, "Hey, you know that thing we all voted for against your will in March ... it will probably work out ... we swear."
"Bear with us, it will probably be OK," has never really worked as a campaign slogan with Americans.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do0 -
Solat13 wrote:It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.
i dunno, if the sun comes up tomorrow and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse do not show up i think the gop is going to lose some credibility with their doom and gloom predictions..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Solat13 wrote:I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.
It was the Senate Finance Committee that introduced the excise tax, not the President. Blame Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, and the rest of those numbnuts, including Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman. The House bill didn't have it, and without the reconciliation bill that ameliorated the tax the House wouldn't have voted for the Senate bill to begin with.
Not to mention the obstructionist Republicans who forced a filibuster on everything."It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:Solat13 wrote:It depends on independents. Independents were strongly against the bill in Massachusetts leading to Scott Brown's upset. Both sides are stalwartly in place in their respective corners. It just depends on which side spins it better to the independents.
i dunno, if the sun comes up tomorrow and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse do not show up i think the gop is going to lose some credibility with their doom and gloom predictions...
But that's the thing ... most of this stuff doesn't take affect for quite some time ... so it will be quite some time before we know which side was right.
Certainly, we won't know before November.
To me, if you were steadfastly against the bill today, you're going to be steadfastly against it in November, and vice versa. There won't be any changes before then.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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where are you getting your poll numbers? according to usatoday and cnn over 72% want universal single payor system. many who are against this bill are opposed because it does not go far enough. that is why i opposed it. but now that it is passed it can be easier to come back and strengthen it later. small victories can yield greater results over time...slightofjeff wrote:Well, I said "might" .... The majority of Americans were against this bill, rightly or wrongly. I don't think there's any doubting that. It will be up to the Democrats on the block this November to convince the people of what you just said in order to hold their seats.
The fact that none of this takes affect until, like 2050 or whatever, I think hurts the Democrats. They won't be able to run on, "See, it wasn't as bad as you thought." They'll have to run on, "Hey, you know that thing we all voted for against your will in March ... it will probably work out ... we swear."
"Bear with us, it will probably be OK," has never really worked as a campaign slogan with Americans.
most of the above stated provisions like no denial for pre-existing conditions, COBRA, insured til 26 etc take effect immediately once obama signs it. the tax stuff and having to purchase insurance takes effect in 3-4 years."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:and no federal funding for abortion, so it will not be used as birth control on taxpayer dollars..
Why, oh why, did you have to go and throw that in there? That's the way it was before anyway.0 -
Starfall wrote:Solat13 wrote:I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.
It was the Senate Finance Committee that introduced the excise tax, not the President. Blame Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, and the rest of those numbnuts, including Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman. The House bill didn't have it, and without the reconciliation bill that ameliorated the tax the House wouldn't have voted for the Senate bill to begin with.
Not to mention the obstructionist Republicans who forced a filibuster on everything.
It doesn't matter if you, me, or the pope came up with the tax. If it stays in the bill and it becomes law under the president's watch, it becomes part of the president's legacy.- Busted down the pretext
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i did that to show the conservatives that their voices were heard and that they got their way on that one...i am not in favor of that provision denying them btw...scb wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:and no federal funding for abortion, so it will not be used as birth control on taxpayer dollars..
Why, oh why, did you have to go and throw that in there? That's the way it was before anyway."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
i did that to show the conservatives that their voices were heard and that they got their way on that one...i am not in favor of that provision denying them btw...scb wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:and no federal funding for abortion, so it will not be used as birth control on taxpayer dollars..
Why, oh why, did you have to go and throw that in there? That's the way it was before anyway.
Well, alright then....
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:slightofjeff wrote:where are you getting your poll numbers? .
For starters, from Rasmussen:The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll, taken Friday and Saturday nights, shows that 41% of likely voters favor the health care plan. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. These figures have barely budged in recent months.
Another finding that has remained constant is that the intensity is stronger among those who oppose the plan. The latest findings include 26% who Strongly Favor the plan and 45% who Strongly Oppose it.
And this:Still, 50% of all voters say they’re less likely to vote this November to reelect a member of Congress who votes for the health care plan.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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slightofjeff wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:
i am not so sure about that. i think anyone with a pulse that has been paying any sort of attention knows that republicans have opposed EVERY single thing obama and the dems have tried to do for no other reason than what appears to be "just because"...if obama's base does not desert him i think that the dems hold both houses in november...slightofjeff wrote:
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.
Well, I said "might" .... The majority of Americans were against this bill, rightly or wrongly. I don't think there's any doubting that. It will be up to the Democrats on the block this November to convince the people of what you just said in order to hold their seats.
The fact that none of this takes affect until, like 2050 or whatever, I think hurts the Democrats. They won't be able to run on, "See, it wasn't as bad as you thought." They'll have to run on, "Hey, you know that thing we all voted for against your will in March ... it will probably work out ... we swear."
"Bear with us, it will probably be OK," has never really worked as a campaign slogan with Americans.
Seriously you are so very uninformed
First some of the changes are immediate, some take affect in 2014 and others in 2018... not 2050... phasing the changes in is the only way, it has to be a slow process
second the majority of Americans are not against the bill, last stats I heard was that it was split even about 40/40 with the rest undecided
so stop stating your opinion or short sided view as fact**CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **0 -
slightofjeff wrote:I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
you won't see much changes at all unless you or your family get sick
your premiums will stay constant and I suspect with that wages in this county will go up
there will be more competition among insurance plans across state lines
the words preexisting conditions will no longer exist
if you and your wife, if married, make over 250K will see an increase in taxes
and you will have the same access to treatment you have now, you will not rot on any waiting list, if you need surgery you will get it. Things will not get worse they will get better and more people will be covered.**CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **0 -
Solat13 wrote:Starfall wrote:Solat13 wrote:I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.
It was the Senate Finance Committee that introduced the excise tax, not the President. Blame Max Baucus, Chuck Grassley, and the rest of those numbnuts, including Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Joe Lieberman. The House bill didn't have it, and without the reconciliation bill that ameliorated the tax the House wouldn't have voted for the Senate bill to begin with.
Not to mention the obstructionist Republicans who forced a filibuster on everything.
It doesn't matter if you, me, or the pope came up with the tax. If it stays in the bill and it becomes law under the president's watch, it becomes part of the president's legacy.
I disagree. It's not the President's job to write legislation: that's Congress' job. Moreover, as much as I would have liked him to have campaigned more strongly for more progressive components, he wasn't going to veto the law because of the tax. And finally, in 20 years, nobody will remember the excise tax, but people will remember that Obama signed the first sweeping comprehensive health reform bill ever."It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"0 -
Oh well, suck eggs Republicans!
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I better not hear one damn complaint about this bill from anyone that voted for Obama.
The only good thing about this bill is no more denying pre existing conditions.
We will see more jobs being lost because employers will have to pay a fine if they can't afford the amount of INS that the bill says it had to provide. So if you think a company is going to pay a fine rather than let you go you better wake up.
And for those of you that don't think this bill goes far enough.When is enough enough? The IRS is going to be increased by somthing like 15,000 more agents and they will be checking on you every month to make sure you have the amount of INS that the gov says you have to have or you will be fined a minimum of $750 or face prosicution.
Like I said"I hope all you that voted for this peice of shit are happy. Thank you for ruining this county. At least we have some state attorney generals that are prepaired to fight the the parts of the bill that are un constituional.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:I better not hear one damn complaint about this bill from anyone that voted for Obama.
The only good thing about this bill is no more denying pre existing conditions.
We will see more jobs being lost because employers will have to pay a fine if they can't afford the amount of INS that the bill says it had to provide. So if you think a company is going to pay a fine rather than let you go you better wake up.
And for those of you that don't think this bill goes far enough.When is enough enough? The IRS is going to be increased by somthing like 15,000 more agents and they will be checking on you every month to make sure you have the amount of INS that the gov says you have to have or you will be fined a minimum of $750 or face prosicution.
Like I said"I hope all you that voted for this peice of shit are happy. Thank you for ruining this county. At least we have some state attorney generals that are prepaired to fight the the parts of the bill that are un constituional. 0
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