Health Care vote???
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kenny olav wrote:The commies win!
I'm still totally confused about this "reconciliation bill" that has to pass now... and does the Senate need to vote again or not? Need to do some research...
Final tally was 219-212 (216 needed to pass).
The reconciliation bill is a bag of fixes to the Senate Bill (which was the first vote) to satisfy the more liberal members of the House. This should pass the Senate easily since it's filibuster proof.
The motion to recommit is - big fucking surprise - about Abortion. Gawd, these fuckers never give up."It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"0 -
my two cents....
this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform... we have have one of the greatest healthcare systems in the world but a lack of access or affordability... this bill will not lower costs or allow greater access, just limit usage and hurt working class people......This is your notice that there is a problem with your signature. Please remove it.
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So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?Take me piece by piece.....
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....This is your notice that there is a problem with your signature. Please remove it.
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Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?chromiam wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
My dad sells health and life isurance for a living. Thanks to Obama he will probably be making much less money.
Fuck Obama5/28/06, 6/27/08, 10/28/09, 5/18/10, 5/21/10
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?chromiam wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
There are people who have no health insurance; working class, lower class, just don't give a fucks, but we ALL have access to HEALTHCARE. The problem being that is without insurance, the costs are high if you have chronic health problems, this is where health INSURANCE reform comes in.
People don't want to wait in lines for the free or low cost clinic but rather go to the ER to take care of health matters, but there is a price to pay for that. If will be fun when all this will apparently go into effect and people realize that with the money they WILL have to pay into healthcare, they will also have to pay a co-pay at their neighborhood ER, where they now get taken care of for free.... have to say my co-pay for an ER visit is a cold $100.
I still don't see how collecting money for 10 years to only fund a program for 6 years makes any fiscal sense....This is your notice that there is a problem with your signature. Please remove it.
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?chromiam wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!0 -
BiPartisan = against this bill
Not one Repub voted for it and many Dems voted against it.
Obama is biparitan after all.
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kenny olav wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?chromiam wrote:
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!
Tell me how I want it Kenny when my current insurance coverage will be taxed as income as a "Cadillac plan" under this new bill and I'll be forced to pay income taxes on the only reasonable plan I have access to.
This bill is all about legacies and appearances and does little to limit or control healthcare costs in the long haul. It will lessen Medicare and Medicaid payouts and shift the burden of payment even more onto the shoulders of those with private insurance plans.This is your notice that there is a problem with your signature. Please remove it.
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
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I realize there are millions of people who work, and do not have healthcare. There are also millions of people who dont give a fuck, dont work, and milk the system for every fucking dime they can.kenny olav wrote:
Speedy, I really want to believe that you are joking right now!! Yes, there are millions of Americans who work and who do not have health insurance!!! I mean, that is as clear as the sky is blue.
And chromiam... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"... are YOU serious?????????? of course this is about health insurance reform.... I guess you haven't been paying any kind of meaningful attention... I dont know what else to say.... "this country needs health insurance reform NOT healthcare reform"??????? WTF???????????? how is this discussion even possible??????
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY OVER THIS?????? YOU ALL WANT THIS. YOU DO!!!!!Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Seriously? Who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about? Are these hard working Americans who cant afford healthcare? Or are these the same pieces of shit I see every week at the grocery store, wearing diamond jewelry, driving Volvos, paying for their groceries with food stamps?chromiam wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:So this is a GREAT day, in American history, right?
We should all be dancing in the streets, right?
The heathcare reform bill has passed!!!!
Can somebody please explain to me, who the 32 million people are, that will now qualify for some form of heathcare?
Who makes up these 32 million people? The unemployed? The elderly? Hard working families who just cant afford health insurance? Familes who take advantage of the system, and whose entire lives are spent "living off the government"? Just who are the 32 million people I keep hearing about?
Look out your window and you'll see them celebrating.... ohh wait, we all have to get up and go to work tomorrow to pay the bills and cover our new tax increases....
I was one of them until I turned 30. I chose not to have insurance for about 8 years. Never got sick and never needed it. I paid out of pocket for blood work every couple of years just to check things and saw my my total cholesterol even with my terrible diet is at 138. And I gave platelets every month so I could get a mini physical for free to check for high blood pressure or an irregular heart beat. I was fine. But under this new plan, I would have been fined every year for being one of the great uninsured. A lot of people in their 20's choose not to get health insurance and spend their money on more practical things.
I was at the same job for the whole time and looking at the average premium I would have had paid over the period I was uninsured, I saved over $21,000 that I've used for vacations and things I've bought myself.- Busted down the pretext
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I realize there are millions of people who work, and do not have healthcare. There are also millions of people who dont give a fuck, dont work, and milk the system for every fucking dime they can.
It's a small percentage that abuse the system, not millions.
Guys, I'm sorry but I don't buy the doomsday scenarios. If I'm wrong, we'll argue about it then. I'm willing to bet we'll have nothing to argue about.0 -
chromiam wrote:
Tell me how I want it Kenny when my current insurance coverage will be taxed as income as a "Cadillac plan" under this new bill and I'll be forced to pay income taxes on the only reasonable plan I have access to.
This bill is all about legacies and appearances and does little to limit or control healthcare costs in the long haul. It will lessen Medicare and Medicaid payouts and shift the burden of payment even more onto the shoulders of those with private insurance plans.
I still find the irony that in one of the debates and one of Obama's talking points was that McCain was going to tax your insurance coverage for the first time and that he wouldn't do it. And now he's doing it and no one's called him out on it.- Busted down the pretext
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I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It might be the Democrats' Waterloo. We'll see what happens at the ballotbox.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It WAS his Waterloo. Except that instead of Napoleon, he was the Duke of Wellington. "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"0 -
well played...Starfall wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:i thought this was supposed to be obama's waterloo??
he achieved the cornerstone of his domestic agenda...which is nothing like what happened to napoleon at waterloo....
It WAS his Waterloo. Except that instead of Napoleon, he was the Duke of Wellington. "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
I asked the same questions earlier in this thread....Solat13 gave me some pretty interesting answers...slightofjeff wrote:I am 32. A non-smoker. Married with one child. I get OK insurance (Humana) through my job for my entire family.
I would like for someone to explain to me, in real terms, what this health care bill will mean to me. Bottom line. No bullshit.
Am I taxed more? Does my access to health care diminish? If I need any operation short of a quadruple bypass, do I have to rot on a waiting list? Is my name on one of these "death panel" lists I've heard so much about? (I'm kidding about the last one).
In all seriousness, someone please tell me what to expect. And please try to keep the partisan bullshit to a minimum. The reason I don't know what to expect is because both sides have been slinging it back and forth hot and heavy for a year now.
Go take a look back on page 2 0r 3....Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0
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