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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    EddieLedBetter wrote:

    You walking this earth being able to make decisions and change things in your environment aren’t outside of logic and reason? Existence in itself is completely illogical if you think about it. What is reason if we didn’t exist?

    That's a great point, actually. And I think we can extend that to say existence without purpose is illogical. However that would mean that god's existence would have to have a purpose and then that would mean there is something greater than god. It always comes back to "it's turtles all the way down." So, okay, god is illogical. So maybe we can agree not to try to use logic from now on to argue the existence of god.


    Maybe there is something greater than God. Maybe there isn't. We are something looking at things under the microscope while we are under the microscope being looked at by something. Who knows. I know what my God told me about my life not Its life. He says I Am the Great I Am.

    Also maybe we can agree to not use logic to discover the existence of our very being. Its illogical to think that life exists without purpose. Nothing science can test exists without purpose.

    Philosophically, I think we've got to the bottom of it, however I'm not so sure about the statement in bold. Perhaps that is another discussion for later.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Existance does not need to be logical. There is no connection between the two.
    And you do not need religious belief to serve a purpose. My feeling is the purpose of this life is to live it. Not in servitude to God. My belief is that God does not want us to serve His need for love... I believe He just wants us to love... pure and simple. I also believe religion has Him all wrong. The purpose of life is to thrive in the moment.
    Life exists because that's what life is... existance. Whether it is the tiny blade of grass, clinging to a small clump of Earth in the frozen wasteland... or mankind, wandering this world, contemplating his own existance. Maybe God is life, itself. I don't know. All i know is that I share in the discovery... part of the big question that has gone unanswered for ions... Why am i here?
    Now, you may choose to believe what you may... that is part of your life. But, I am also left to choose... we all get to choose and really don't need anyone to tell us what to choose. Just because we don't prescribe to religion, doesn't mean we are godless.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I would also reiterate that just because a person isn't religious, spiritual or believing in a god, doesn't mean they are without purpose.
    Cosmo wrote:
    Existance does not need to be logical. There is no connection between the two.
    And you do not need religious belief to serve a purpose. My feeling is the purpose of this life is to live it. Not in servitude to God. My belief is that God does not want us to serve His need for love... I believe He just wants us to love... pure and simple. I also believe religion has Him all wrong. The purpose of life is to thrive in the moment.
    Life exists because that's what life is... existance. Whether it is the tiny blade of grass, clinging to a small clump of Earth in the frozen wasteland... or mankind, wandering this world, contemplating his own existance. Maybe God is life, itself. I don't know. All i know is that I share in the discovery... part of the big question that has gone unanswered for ions... Why am i here?
    Now, you may choose to believe what you may... that is part of your life. But, I am also left to choose... we all get to choose and really don't need anyone to tell us what to choose. Just because we don't prescribe to religion, doesn't mean we are godless.
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    be willing to listen...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO7tGOr2NU0
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    "maybe logic"...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCIqFAdI6eI
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • EddieLedBetter
    EddieLedBetter Posts: 360
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Most religious people like to say the things we don't have answers for, god is responsible for... kind of a fill in the blank response. I find that rather silly to be honest.

    The things science lacks the answers for are filled in by "random chance". Equally silly.

    Was it random chance that a 15 sheep herder boy in the 1940’s was "searching for his LOST sheep" and from throwing rocks into a cave heard pottery breaking only to find the dead sea scrolls? These documents make up the entire Old Testament minus one book.

    They solidify that God spoke with men and he used them to prophesy things of the coming messiah well before Jesus came. Jesus came and fulfilled those prophecies. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_Isai ... he_Messiah) Ask yourself who they he could be speaking of other than christ. Not Mirtha Gern because like you said he came well before Christ! He is the one true path to God. A peasant man who owned nothing and was formally uneducated yet had profound knowledge of what God wanted for us is the center piece for the human race? The most famous man on the planet, love him or hate him. This isn’t random chance it’s an act of the True God. He existed and did the things people said he did whether you believe it or not. You are right. I have faith in this and he said that’s all you need. Imagine... what in life do you not have to work for by your own accord? He offers the gift of eternal life for simply believing in him giving up your wishes for His.

    So because of the sins of one man all men have fallen short of the glory of God, but because of the sacrifice of one man all men can come to glory with God.
  • EddieLedBetter
    EddieLedBetter Posts: 360
    he still stands wrote:
    "maybe logic"...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCIqFAdI6eI

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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    "maybe logic"...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCIqFAdI6eI

    Robert Anton Wilson "IS" dead.

    Obviously some things can be made certain to a higher probability than others. It does not change the fact that everyone claims to have the definitive view of reality and can't comprehend someone having a different view of reality... and that SEEMS to be ignorant to me. There is (sorry... seems to be) no singular and objective view of reality.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • EddieLedBetter
    EddieLedBetter Posts: 360
    Cosmo wrote:
    Existance does not need to be logical. There is no connection between the two.
    And you do not need religious belief to serve a purpose. My feeling is the purpose of this life is to live it. Not in servitude to God. My belief is that God does not want us to serve His need for love... I believe He just wants us to love... pure and simple. I also believe religion has Him all wrong. The purpose of life is to thrive in the moment.
    Life exists because that's what life is... existance. Whether it is the tiny blade of grass, clinging to a small clump of Earth in the frozen wasteland... or mankind, wandering this world, contemplating his own existance. Maybe God is life, itself. I don't know. All i know is that I share in the discovery... part of the big question that has gone unanswered for ions... Why am i here?
    Now, you may choose to believe what you may... that is part of your life. But, I am also left to choose... we all get to choose and really don't need anyone to tell us what to choose. Just because we don't prescribe to religion, doesn't mean we are godless.
    So neither existence nor God needs to be logical. Glad we got that out of the way.

    I am thriving in the moment.. for God, my creator. How is that so wrong that I should be told it is? If you share in the discovery then read and discover what Jesus says about His Father. You obviously believe in some sort of God. Don’t you owe it to yourself to find out the true God? If the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself were true that would mean that you are wrong in your view of God. Wouldn’t it be wise to at least put some effort into finding out without preconceived notions because of the sins of men and the roman catholic church?
  • EddieLedBetter
    EddieLedBetter Posts: 360
    he still stands wrote:
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    "maybe logic"...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCIqFAdI6eI

    Robert Anton Wilson "IS" dead.

    Obviously some things can be made certain to a higher probability than others. It does not change the fact that everyone claims to have the definitive view of reality and can't comprehend someone having a different view of reality... and that SEEMS to be ignorant to me. There is (sorry... seems to be) no singular and objective view of reality.

    Claiming that no one can have a definitive view of an objective reality is a claim of reality itself. How does that work?? No one can know a true reality but the guy who says that no one can know a true reality?
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    ^^^ the type of guy that is so sure about his views that he'd kill others and glorify it as a moral duty to his god.

    I don't have a problem with christianity... I just can't fucking stand christians.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Claiming that no one can have a definitive view of an objective reality is a claim of reality itself. How does that work?? No one can know a true reality but the guy who says that no one can know a true reality?

    No it is not a "claim of reality." That seems to be ruh-tarded... sorry but abstract statements don't impress me.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Just goes back to this fact: Simply because you find it hard to accept that in the smallest of odds or more random of chance, these circumstances have played out how they have to create the universe, earth, and all in it, does not mean it is irrelevant. We have answers to these questions and those we do not, we are slowly filling in the details on the story and outline of where we all are from. Once again, just because you find it ridiculous that this sequence or the odds of it occurred, has no baring or significance to a god existing. In fact, whatever slim chance you weigh of this evolution of things of occurring, the existence of god is far beyond that in mathematical terms. There's not a single shred of proof of god's existence other than your belief he does... and as I've stated earlier, this is no different from you not being able to disprove my belief that big foot walks the earth and lives with pink unicorns and green leprechauns.
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The things science lacks the answers for are filled in by "random chance". Equally silly.

    Was it random chance that a 15 sheep herder boy in the 1940’s was "searching for his LOST sheep" and from throwing rocks into a cave heard pottery breaking only to find the dead sea scrolls? These documents make up the entire Old Testament minus one book.

    They solidify that God spoke with men and he used them to prophesy things of the coming messiah well before Jesus came. Jesus came and fulfilled those prophecies. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_Isai ... he_Messiah) Ask yourself who they he could be speaking of other than christ. Not Mirtha Gern because like you said he came well before Christ! He is the one true path to God. A peasant man who owned nothing and was formally uneducated yet had profound knowledge of what God wanted for us is the center piece for the human race? The most famous man on the planet, love him or hate him. This isn’t random chance it’s an act of the True God. He existed and did the things people said he did whether you believe it or not. You are right. I have faith in this and he said that’s all you need. Imagine... what in life do you not have to work for by your own accord? He offers the gift of eternal life for simply believing in him giving up your wishes for His.

    So because of the sins of one man all men have fallen short of the glory of God, but because of the sacrifice of one man all men can come to glory with God.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Gern Blansten
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    he still stands wrote:
    ^^^ the type of guy that is so sure about his views that he'd kill others and glorify it as a moral duty to his god.

    I don't have a problem with christianity... I just can't fucking stand christians.

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    The things science lacks the answers for are filled in by "random chance". Equally silly.

    No they aren't. That's totally and completely false. They aren't filled in until the answer is known.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
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    I am thriving in the moment.. for God, my creator. How is that so wrong that I should be told it is? If you share in the discovery then read and discover what Jesus says about His Father. You obviously believe in some sort of God. Don’t you owe it to yourself to find out the true God? If the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself were true that would mean that you are wrong in your view of God. Wouldn’t it be wise to at least put some effort into finding out without preconceived notions because of the sins of men and the roman catholic church?

    YOU AREN'T LISTENING. NO ONE IS TELLING YOU IT'S WRONG TO SEEK GOD. WE HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OF GOD. WE SEARCHED, AND FOUND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO DID YOU. THE DIFFERENCE IS, WE ARE NOT SITTING HERE TELLING YOU THAT OUR WAY IS THE ONE TRUE WAY. THAT'S ARROGANT.
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  • EddieLedBetter
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    he still stands wrote:
    ^^^ the type of guy that is so sure about his views that he'd kill others and glorify it as a moral duty to his god.

    I don't have a problem with christianity... I just can't fucking stand christians.

    who said anything about killing others for christianity?

    Okay maybe not so much as told wrong for believing but i've been made to be a fool for believing.

    So you dont have a problem with believing; You are a sinner and your soul is seperated from God, God says you need to accept Jesus to be saved from your sins, but also you need to live accordingly to his teachings? You dont have a problem with that, just the person telling you that. Is that correct?
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    ^^^ the type of guy that is so sure about his views that he'd kill others and glorify it as a moral duty to his god.

    I don't have a problem with christianity... I just can't fucking stand christians.

    So you dont have a problem with believing; You are a sinner and your soul is seperated from God, God says you need to accept Jesus to be saved from your sins, but also you need to live accordingly to his teachings? You dont have a problem with that, just the person telling you that. Is that correct?

    I think believing is the birth of ignorance.

    Your god says I need to accept Jesus and live according to his teachings... not my version of god.

    I don't have a "problem" with someone who believes these things... I just find it absurd. I can learn from anyone's reality tunnel, including yours.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    See I feel honestly feel that anyone is entitle to believe as they want, but just keep it to yourself. Whether you believe in a religion or god or not. But people can't or won't leave well enough alone. It has to be politicized or jammed down the throats of people in society. Many may feel this is not a reflection of their particular belief system or actions, but as a whole, this is what is done.
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    ^^^ the type of guy that is so sure about his views that he'd kill others and glorify it as a moral duty to his god.

    I don't have a problem with christianity... I just can't fucking stand christians.

    who said anything about killing others for christianity?

    Okay maybe not so much as told wrong for believing but i've been made to be a fool for believing.

    So you dont have a problem with believing; You are a sinner and your soul is seperated from God, God says you need to accept Jesus to be saved from your sins, but also you need to live accordingly to his teachings? You dont have a problem with that, just the person telling you that. Is that correct?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • keeponrockin
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