another student shot in school

OnTheEdge · February 2010

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

AAHHH, unless YOU have a gun and shoot the fucker first.

...
Have you ever shot someone? Ever seen someone who was shot?
It's not as glorious as you want it to be.

Someday you might be in a situation where your life is in danger by someone else, and you'll wish you had a gun. I never said anything about it being glorious. But if the situation does arise, you'll have a better chance in seeing another day.

Byrnzie · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

Guns are very hard to get in England, and in most other countries in Europe. It's only because the U.S is flooded with guns that it's so easy to get one.

Byrnzie · February 2010

Cosmo wrote:

a knife, a sword (ask the guy from that Indiana Jones movie)...

Quality!

TriumphantAngel · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

having a gun, doesn't make you safer.

people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

and this. interesting.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... illed.html

Commy · February 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

having a gun, doesn't make you safer.

people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

and this. interesting.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... illed.html

it may be that guns cause people to overreact in tense situations, interesting. and numbers back that up. mmmm.

youngster · February 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

having a gun, doesn't make you safer.

people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

and this. interesting.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... illed.html

What you didn't mention and I read in the link you posted, it states that you are 4.5 times more likely to get shot by visiting neighborhoods you shouldn't. Anyone who legally owns a gun and is allowed to carry it and goes into a dangerous neighborhood looking for trouble deserves to get shot. I own a gun and keep it at home locked up. That means I don't carry it even though I can, I don't go looking for trouble, and it's locked in a 1,000 lb gun safe that can't be stolen and can't be gained access to. By anyone but me. I have owned guns for the better part of 10 years and I have yet to be in a dangerous encounter. That is because I don't go looking for trouble, but I am prepared if it comes to me. And I don't have a problem shooting someone who breaks into my home unlawfully. I am a combat veteran trained by the US Military and don't have a problem using that training on someone who is intent on harming me or my family.

_ · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

Exactly. He probably stole it from someone like you.

_ · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

AAHHH, unless YOU have a gun and shoot the fucker first.

...
Have you ever shot someone? Ever seen someone who was shot?
It's not as glorious as you want it to be.

Someday you might be in a situation where your life is in danger by someone else, and you'll wish you had a gun. I never said anything about it being glorious. But if the situation does arise, you'll have a better chance in seeing another day.

Actually, that's not necessarily true. As I believe I mentioned earlier, I'm sure I've read studies showing that you're more likely to be killed if you have a gun.

TriumphantAngel · February 2010

youngster wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

having a gun, doesn't make you safer.

people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

and this. interesting.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... illed.html

What you didn't mention and I read in the link you posted, it states that you are 4.5 times more likely to get shot by visiting neighborhoods you shouldn't. Anyone who legally owns a gun and is allowed to carry it and goes into a dangerous neighborhood looking for trouble deserves to get shot. I own a gun and keep it at home locked up. That means I don't carry it even though I can, I don't go looking for trouble, and it's locked in a 1,000 lb gun safe that can't be stolen and can't be gained access to. By anyone but me. I have owned guns for the better part of 10 years and I have yet to be in a dangerous encounter. That is because I don't go looking for trouble, but I am prepared if it comes to me. And I don't have a problem shooting someone who breaks into my home unlawfully. I am a combat veteran trained by the US Military and don't have a problem using that training on someone who is intent on harming me or my family.

that's not what it says at all. you may need to read the link again.

the statistics showed that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. thats what the statistics showed.

i think you are getting confused with this part where they are purely speculating,

"While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't"

youngster · February 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

that's not what it says at all. you may need to read the link again.

the statistics showed that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. thats what the statistics showed.

i think you are getting confused with this part where they are purely speculating,

"While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't"

OK, fair enough. I read it to quick and commented from memory. But let me ask you this: Does "carrying" a gun and "owning" a gun mean the same thing to you? I was speaking on my own personal situation. I own a gun, but don't carry it around with me. Does that mean I am still 4.5 times as likely to get shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

TriumphantAngel · February 2010

youngster wrote:

I own a gun and keep it at home locked up. That means I don't carry it even though I can, I don't go looking for trouble, and it's locked in a 1,000 lb gun safe that can't be stolen and can't be gained access to. By anyone but me.

as every responsible gun owner should. i wish everyone was as responsible as you. over half a million guns are stolen from people's homes every year. no cookies for guessing where these end up. in the hands of criminals.

youngster wrote:

I have owned guns for the better part of 10 years and I have yet to be in a dangerous encounter. That is because I don't go looking for trouble, but I am prepared if it comes to me. And I don't have a problem shooting someone who breaks into my home unlawfully. I am a combat veteran trained by the US Military and don't have a problem using that training on someone who is intent on harming me or my family

if anyone broke into my home unlawfully, i would be like, dude, take my tv. take whatever you like. the whole time hoping they wouldn't harm me or anyone else there. my material possessions are not worth a life. theirs or mine.

they can have them.

while i can understand your argument regarding trying to protect your family if they were in danger, i have a question for you. if someone breaks in as you say, how the hell are you going to gain access to your gun thats locked away in the 1,000 lb gun safe before they can harm you? it's not like they are going to wait while you go grab it.

i'm not being sarcastic, i'm deadly serious. how is your gun going to save your family?

haffajappa · February 2010

Byrnzie wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

I don't know why you're using the eye-rolling emoticon, dude ... Its a true statement. A gun without someone pulling the trigger sits on a rack somewhere or in some redneck's truck, totally harmless. I get your point, I think: Without guns, there'd be no gun violence. Granted. That doesn't mean that just holding a weapon suddenly draws up or manufactures all these homicidal urges, however. I think sometimes that the issue of gun control gets oversimplified, to the effect of "no guns = no violence", which is false. Its almost as if a total gun ban would magically convert all these homidical individuals into flower children. Underneath a proximal cause like weapon access are all kinds of psychological and sociological causes of violence, and if you ask me, fixing these is going to be the only way to reduce overall violence levels.

Guns make it easier to kill people. You can't commit a massacre with a knife. Or if you can then your name is Zorro.

lol.
But logically one would think if you were Zorro you'd just cut women's clothes off all day, at least if you're antonio bandaras.

TriumphantAngel · February 2010

youngster wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

that's not what it says at all. you may need to read the link again.

the statistics showed that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. thats what the statistics showed.

i think you are getting confused with this part where they are purely speculating,

"While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't"

OK, fair enough. I read it to quick and commented from memory. But let me ask you this: Does "carrying" a gun and "owning" a gun mean the same thing to you? I was speaking on my own personal situation. I own a gun, but don't carry it around with me. Does that mean I am still 4.5 times as likely to get shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

it would depend on how much of a responsible gun owner you are. also, you are speaking on your own personal situation so i'll reply on mine.

just to clarify, i'm not anti gun, but i do think stricter gun laws have to be enforced. i see owning a gun as giving you a false sense of security. unless you have it planted firmly by your side 24/7, how are you ever going to be prepared for a sudden attack from a gunman. you'd probably be dead by the time you could reach for it anyway. the gunman isn't going to mess around. he's not going to give you warning he is coming into your home to attack you, or that he is going to shoot you in your car, or school, or anywhere. he's just going to do it.

to me, walking around with a gun attached to you (which i know you don't do), is living in fear and highly dangerous. especially to people around you.

i can't live like that. that doesn't mean i wanna get my ass shot up. i'm just being realistic.

rebornFixer · February 2010

youngster wrote:

OK, fair enough. I read it to quick and commented from memory. But let me ask you this: Does "carrying" a gun and "owning" a gun mean the same thing to you? I was speaking on my own personal situation. I own a gun, but don't carry it around with me. Does that mean I am still 4.5 times as likely to get shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

I'd imagine that those stats reflect people who carry guns in public (concealed or not) rather than those who keep them locked up in safes (as I do). There may very well be some additive risk regarding a family member getting hurt, assuming said guns are not stored securely. But yeah ... I cannot see a hunter who never packs his gun outside of hunting season being at an increased risk of getting shot by a criminal. Getting shot in a hunting accident, maybe.

OnTheEdge · February 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

having a gun, doesn't make you safer.

people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

and this. interesting.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... illed.html

Hey, you can feel safer by not carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. But don't do me any favors by trying to get laws passed that's going to take my gun away. I don't care what all the reports say, I feel safer carrying. And like I said before, there isn't any law out there that is going to keep criminals from getting guns. So don't try to take them away from the people that want them for protection.

TriumphantAngel · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I have a gun in my house for protection, just in case. And there isn't anybody that's going to tell me I can't. Do people actually believe that with a gun bann criminals will not be able to get a gun. The only people that are going to get hurt by a gun ban are the innocent people that want to have them for protection. Look at the kid in this thread, he wasn't even old enough to buy a gun, but he got one.

having a gun, doesn't make you safer.

people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

and this. interesting.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... illed.html

Hey, you can feel safer by not carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. But don't do me any favors by trying to get laws passed that's going to take my gun away. I don't care what all the reports say, I feel safer carrying. And like I said before, there isn't any law out there that is going to keep criminals from getting guns. So don't try to take them away from the people that want them for protection.

i agree with our founding fathers. every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall.

youngster · February 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

while i can understand your argument regarding trying to protect your family if they were in danger, i have a question for you. if someone breaks in as you say, how the hell are you going to gain access to your gun thats locked away in the 1,000 lb gun safe before they can harm you? it's not like they are going to wait while you go grab it.

i'm not being sarcastic, i'm deadly serious. how is your gun going to save your family?

Great question. The truth is if someone broke in in the middle of the night, I have 1 pistol in a safe in my bedroom closet. I (thankfully) have never been in the situation where I need to get into it while panicked and groggy. Hopefully I never will. The rest of the guns are in the big gun safe downstairs in the basement and would be useless to me. They would not be able to protect my family in the middle of the night. I have 2 young children in the house and would never leave these around to be seen by them. I don't even want them to know what guns are until they are much, MUCH older. I guess I can take solace in knowing I live in a safe neighborhood where there hasn't been a serious crime in as long as I can remember.

gimmesometruth27 · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

Hey, you can feel safer by not carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. But don't do me any favors by trying to get laws passed that's going to take my gun away. I don't care what all the reports say, I feel safer carrying. And like I said before, there isn't any law out there that is going to keep criminals from getting guns. So don't try to take them away from the people that want them for protection.

i feel safer carrying the gun that's in my pants...

seriously dude, nobody is trying to "take your gun away" for fucks sakes, stop it with that already please... seriously, is anybody really gonna "step" to you when you are walking down the street? i don't know where you live, but its never happend to me in 34 years of life, and i live in a heavily populated area. i am not paranoid and i do not think that there is anyone out to get me or harm me, and if they do why not just elbow them in the face?? to me carrying a gun is taking the unnecessary risk of having it go off a la plaxico burress...whenever i hear of these concealed carry guys shooting themselves i laugh....really really hard...because they took that risk when trying "to protect themselves" and it went horribly wrong...its asinine for me to think that i or anybody else NEEDS to carry a gun...

gimmesometruth27 · February 2010

this was on my local paper's website...this guy sounds like a responsible gun owner...

dumbass...

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/1124878.html

Man shoots himself in leg outside gun store
The Associated Press

JUPITER, Fla. -- A man accidentally shot himself in the leg shortly after leaving a Jupiter gun store. Police said the unidentified man went to Chuck's Guns and Ammo Monday afternoon, looking for batteries for the laser sight on a small handgun. When the man was back in his car, the gun accidentally fired, hitting him in the leg.

The man was taken to a West Palm Beach hospital for treatment.

Cosmo · February 2010

mb262200 wrote:

Someday you might be in a situation where your life is in danger by someone else, and you'll wish you had a gun. I never said anything about it being glorious. But if the situation does arise, you'll have a better chance in seeing another day.

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You've got me all wrong. I would never wished I had a gun because I would never take another human's life.
If confronted with a situation as you describe... I would try to talk my way out of it. If that does not work... then, that is my fate and I accept it. I refuse to commit to fear or paranoia.

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