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EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Johnny Sitar wrote:

we have our reasons for not believing in a god or not believing there is enough evidence to prove the existence of one. basically the only thing that will convince me is some divine intervention that is inexplicable in my life, to ME. not some dude on a message board telling me he is praying for my soul.

This we can agree on.

What I was getting at in my above post was just an arguement at how people blindly believe in evolution when its missing entire peices of chain just like religion is. Its just as illogical.

keeponrockin · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

we have our reasons for not believing in a god or not believing there is enough evidence to prove the existence of one. basically the only thing that will convince me is some divine intervention that is inexplicable in my life, to ME. not some dude on a message board telling me he is praying for my soul.

This we can agree on.

What I was getting at in my above post was just an arguement at how people blindly believe in evolution when its missing entire peices of chain just like religion is. Its just as illogical.

So you're ALSO claiming religion is illogical, no?

Gern Blansten · January 2010

You are following an assumption that Darwin is the only authority on evolution.

Cosmo · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

All throughout history we have see evolution in the sense of change but never have we EVER found a fossil record that suggest that one species evolved into another one. Nor do we see it in the last 5 thousand years of one species changing into another. The finches beak adapted with the enviroment but the finch never turned from a finch into a turtle. Its always been a finch. There is no proof of macroevolution. Besided you cant base a change in the 10% found in fossil records. The 90% soft tissue is the heart of a genetic make up. There is no proof of a theory put forth by a man 100 years ago that species evolved from one to another. He couldnt see the complexity that lies within the cell. For order to come from chaos there would have to be first chaos and the findings within a single cell show that there isnt chaos, that infact there is complete udder complexity. http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/
To not deny this theory is strickly a matter of the will not logic.

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Finches and turtles are in the same tree, but not the same branch. Compare finches to sparrows, turtles to tortises.
And you will find transitional species in the fossil record... such as those that possess transitional traits... a fin that has the characteristics of limbs and bridges the transition of fish to amphibian.
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And unlike religion... Darwin did not profess all of the answers at once. He set forth a theory that, over time, have proven to be correct. So, yes.. Darwin did not see the complexities of DNA... but, we have discovered that triggering certain genes will fire off different results... mutations in the species... evolution of life.
Religion, on the other hand, sets forth a rule of law that is rigid and designed to be indisputable. And as we have seen, it is indisputable to those of us whom have chosen to follow it.

Gern Blansten · January 2010

yeah the transitional fossil argument has been blown out of the water....I can't believe they still use that but again this same group believes dinosaurs and man lived together

I don't know if I can continue this....it's really like trying to convince my 8 year old that there aren't any ghosts in her closet

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

we have our reasons for not believing in a god or not believing there is enough evidence to prove the existence of one. basically the only thing that will convince me is some divine intervention that is inexplicable in my life, to ME. not some dude on a message board telling me he is praying for my soul.

This we can agree on.

What I was getting at in my above post was just an arguement at how people blindly believe in evolution when its missing entire peices of chain just like religion is. Its just as illogical.

learning about evolution is an evolutionary process in itself, that's the difference. logic tells us we can't deny the findings of science.

it's unbelievable to me that you can sit there and say that evolution is illogical with all that we currently know. and basing it on nothing other than "well we once thought the world was flat and the earth was the centre of the universe". We have come significantly far in our knowledge base in the last century alone. You don't give man any credit at all. You keep denying yourself the truth of what's around us, from what I can tell, for no other reason but it pokes holes in all you have come to believe is real in your life.

Cosmo · January 2010

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah the transitional fossil argument has been blown out of the water....I can't believe they still use that but again this same group believes dinosaurs and man lived together

I don't know if I can continue this....it's really like trying to convince my 8 year old that there aren't any ghosts in her closet

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It is basically a ploy... to go on the offensive to disprove science, instead of having to defend Creationism. That is where the whole, "Evolution is illogical' routine comes into play because... seriously... how can any employ logical reasoning to defend Creationism? A talking snake? Really?

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Im not denying evolution as a term of "change over time' is invalid nor that micro evolution is, I'm saying that species coming from different species is rediculous. Macroevolution. It is complete theory and there IS no proof of it. No proof of one species magically turning into another species. Just as rediculous as me believing in a God creator!

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Cosmo wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah the transitional fossil argument has been blown out of the water....I can't believe they still use that but again this same group believes dinosaurs and man lived together

I don't know if I can continue this....it's really like trying to convince my 8 year old that there aren't any ghosts in her closet

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It is basically a ploy... to go on the offensive to disprove science, instead of having to defend Creationism. That is where the whole, "Evolution is illogical' routine comes into play because... seriously... how can any employ logical reasoning to defend Creationism? A talking snake? Really?

I'm not arguing creationisim as defined. I believe in old earth. I'm saying something created us, that something I call God. I dont deny science, only theory which I believe there to be much evidence against, and darwinisim and evolution is just that. Theory.

Ya a talking snake is to be taken litteraly just like we are to drink and eat the blood of Jesus. My gosh man think!

Gern Blansten · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah the transitional fossil argument has been blown out of the water....I can't believe they still use that but again this same group believes dinosaurs and man lived together

I don't know if I can continue this....it's really like trying to convince my 8 year old that there aren't any ghosts in her closet

...
It is basically a ploy... to go on the offensive to disprove science, instead of having to defend Creationism. That is where the whole, "Evolution is illogical' routine comes into play because... seriously... how can any employ logical reasoning to defend Creationism? A talking snake? Really?

I'm not arguing creationisim as defined. I believe in old earth. I'm saying something created us, that something I call God. I dont deny science, only theory which I believe there to be much evidence against, and darwinisim and evolution is just that. Theory.

Ya a talking snake is to be taken litteraly just like we are to drink and eat the blood of Jesus. My gosh man think!

again you are calling it a "theory"....The scientific definition of the word "theory" is different from the colloquial sense of the word

and you want me to think?

Gern Blansten · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Im not denying evolution as a term of "change over time' is invalid nor that micro evolution is, I'm saying that species coming from different species is rediculous. Macroevolution. It is complete theory and there IS no proof of it. No proof of one species magically turning into another species. Just as rediculous as me believing in a God creator!

dude you can't even spell...you calling evolution ridiculous is.....ridiculous

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Johnny Sitar wrote:

learning about evolution is an evolutionary process in itself, that's the difference. logic tells us we can't deny the findings of science.

it's unbelievable to me that you can sit there and say that evolution is illogical with all that we currently know. and basing it on nothing other than "well we once thought the world was flat and the earth was the centre of the universe". We have come significantly far in our knowledge base in the last century alone. You don't give man any credit at all. You keep denying yourself the truth of what's around us, from what I can tell, for no other reason but it pokes holes in all you have come to believe is real in your life.

All that YOU currently know. You dont give man enough credit. Darwinisim was found before we could see inside of the cell. You are denying the complexitiy of the cell by buying into his stupid theory. Darwin had no idea the thousands upon thousands of books worth of information packed into DNA. He didnt even know it existed and you still buy it.

If you want a logical look at science and itelligent design read "I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" He points out all the clear cut evidence for an intelligent design.

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Im not denying evolution as a term of "change over time' is invalid nor that micro evolution is, I'm saying that species coming from different species is rediculous. Macroevolution. It is complete theory and there IS no proof of it. No proof of one species magically turning into another species. Just as rediculous as me believing in a God creator!

dude you can't even spell...you calling evolution ridiculous is.....ridiculous

Good arguement in your favor! There is no God and I know nothing because I cant spell. I work in the field of science and comparative medicine not classroom teaching my friend.

Gern Blansten · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

learning about evolution is an evolutionary process in itself, that's the difference. logic tells us we can't deny the findings of science.

it's unbelievable to me that you can sit there and say that evolution is illogical with all that we currently know. and basing it on nothing other than "well we once thought the world was flat and the earth was the centre of the universe". We have come significantly far in our knowledge base in the last century alone. You don't give man any credit at all. You keep denying yourself the truth of what's around us, from what I can tell, for no other reason but it pokes holes in all you have come to believe is real in your life.

All that YOU currently know. You dont give man enough credit. Darwinisim was found before we could see inside of the cell. You are denying the complexitiy of the cell by buying into his stupid theory. Darwin had no idea the thousands upon thousands of books worth of information packed into DNA. He didnt even know it existed and you still buy it.

If you want a logical look at science and itelligent design read "I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" He points out all the clear cut evidence for an intelligent design.

wow.....just.....wow

Godfather. · January 2010

ELB I heard that every persons DNA can be traced to 2 people,do you know if thats true
or anything about it ?

Godfather.

OutOfBreath · January 2010

Godfather. wrote:

ELB I heard that every persons DNA can be traced to 2 people,do you know if thats true
or anything about it ?

Godfather.

What I've read about it is that most people outside of Africa can be traced to a group of 100ish people way back. Which is shown in the reatively small genetic variation between non-African people of the world. This does not apply for African peoples who have a broader descent and more genetic variation. It would appear that the rest of the world is descended from that breakout-group of people from Africa back in the dawn of time.

Peace
Dan

markin ball · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

learning about evolution is an evolutionary process in itself, that's the difference. logic tells us we can't deny the findings of science.

it's unbelievable to me that you can sit there and say that evolution is illogical with all that we currently know. and basing it on nothing other than "well we once thought the world was flat and the earth was the centre of the universe". We have come significantly far in our knowledge base in the last century alone. You don't give man any credit at all. You keep denying yourself the truth of what's around us, from what I can tell, for no other reason but it pokes holes in all you have come to believe is real in your life.

All that YOU currently know. You dont give man enough credit. Darwinisim was found before we could see inside of the cell. You are denying the complexitiy of the cell by buying into his stupid theory. Darwin had no idea the thousands upon thousands of books worth of information packed into DNA. He didnt even know it existed and you still buy it.

If you want a logical look at science and itelligent design read "I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" He points out all the clear cut evidence for an intelligent design.

You cant come to know God thinking through logic, He is outside the realm of logic. - EddieLedBetter

Gern Blansten · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Im not denying evolution as a term of "change over time' is invalid nor that micro evolution is, I'm saying that species coming from different species is rediculous. Macroevolution. It is complete theory and there IS no proof of it. No proof of one species magically turning into another species. Just as rediculous as me believing in a God creator!

dude you can't even spell...you calling evolution ridiculous is.....ridiculous

Good arguement in your favor! There is no God and I know nothing because I cant spell. I work in the field of science and comparative medicine not classroom teaching my friend.

it's a sign of intelligence

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

buying into his stupid theory......and you still buy it.

I'm pretty sure this argument is over! WOW, I can't believe you called the Theory of Evolution, which most scientists refer to as the Fact of Evolution, Darwin's "stupid theory" and mocking me for "still buy(ing) it".

I guess the whole scientific community who has any knowledge of life on earth is "still buying it".

All the books and articles you have told us to look at have a religious agenda. Show me an atheist scientist who has intricate knowledge of the subject AND denies evolution and I'll surely humour you by reading it.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

markin ball wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

If you want a logical look at science and itelligent design read "I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" He points out all the clear cut evidence for an intelligent design.

You cant come to know God thinking through logic, He is outside the realm of logic. - EddieLedBetter

HAHAHAHAHAHA. BUSTED!!

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