(PJ related) CBS: Video Relay Interpreters Companies Busted

Damn, blondie - you write good and you've done your research pretty good!

And I've just begun reading.

I love the Who quote! (I'd have to tell you a story at another time why I hated them for years. lol)

You are so right on this: "Now, a person with a disability may be only inclined to advocate if a barrier pertains strictly to them. That isn’t productive."

No shittttttttt! That was one of the reasons why I did not give up fighting Lollapalooza/interpreters because I kept reminding myself I was also doing it for others, not just for myself. It also really pissed me off that C3 told people and its lawyer that I was just looking for "special treatment" with the interpreters. :x

And also with my community, there are some people who do not want to label themselves disabled but culturally deaf people. Ok, fine...but lets work on this issue that would benefit all of us.... "No! I refuse to until they stop categorizing us under the disabled and medical" Then it goes into d/D argument and politically incorrect words, blah blah blah...

I can understand that...but groans...we need to get moviiinnngggg on the REAL issues! "No, the REAL issue is THIS *inserts topic and starts arguing*"

Ok, I will shut up and read more...

This was the BEST INSOMNIA concert with hubby -- ACL taping!

Woke up to see Bobby playing his guitar next to my laptop @ 2:45am and reminded him about ACL @ 3pm. He said yeah I was gonna wake you up... then when 3am came and he was still playing, I said it's 3AM *nudges*

Shit!! He ran to make sure it was in recording mode and we got comfortable.... ahhh great! awesome concert right in our living room.

Loved everything.... unthought known and when ed was close up with his guitar, Bobby got excited and said that's how I play my guitar on the song too! Heheh.

I told Bobby I didn't realize how much I missed Ben Harper... there isn't only one instrument on him, but two!

His face is also another incredible instrument - love looking at his facial expression. It's so real and emotional.

Hey, if you know LIsa Cresseman (sp?) - I saw her in the crowd at the end! I kept rewinding to see her again. LOL...

Hey....just because I had a lot of fun tonight and Ed was really awesome doesn't mean he's not getting that ass kicking from me. :P

dirtyfrank2005 wrote:

Wow. Just finished reading all four pages straight through. The first two posts were really confusing, but you clarified everything well. But I wasn't sure if you've sent a letter to PJ yet. I really think you should. I saw this thread a few days ago when it was just two posts and have been taking to my sister about it. We have two questions for you. First, how would Eddie know if the interpreters are doing a good job or not? I wouldn't have a clue. I wouldn't know what was done to Comatose (and I am so sorry that someone ruined it for you). Eddie would be disgusted if he found out. The second question that we came up with is: was the woman on Touring Band 2000 during Given to Fly any good?

I really hope you write PJ. The 10C would be crazy if they didn't pass it on to them. The guys would be pissed if they heard about this. I've never seen any other band that cares so much about their fans. Just post some rough drafts up here so those of use who were/are confused by it can help you clarify it. It's worth a shot to ask PJ if they would help improve yours and others' concert going experience. And just to give them a push in the right direction, get everyone on here to sign it!

To blondieblue227: You shouldn't be talking about this on PM. I would have posted sooner, but I was confused and didn't know where to begin. Reading through all the posts helped. And I plan on reading your paper.

And to Kat and Sea: DO NOT MOVE THIS THREAD! This needs to be front page for everyone to see. Pearl Jam and the PJ community need to know about this issue.

Thank you and I apologize for the confusion in both posts. I'm really glad Wilds stepped in and told me, along with others.

I don't think EV has to understand what they are saying - from what I've been seeing, he seems to know what a good interpreter is. He can tell by their body language and how they respond to his music, as well as the fluidity of their arms/hands, depending on songs that is.

Kim, the TB2K interpreter, is one of the good ones too. She has the skills to do it too. We have become friends but she's more into country music. She does like Pearl Jam but not like us.

We became friends after someone alerted her that I was bashing her for lyric fuck-ups on GTF song. She explained the situation to me and ahhh that makes sense! She said she knows that song inside and outside now! She's really a great person, very humble.

EV or the band could simply ask them what were they "painting" about? They can get the answers from that and if they don't like it, they can give them feedback and they can change.

Ahh... I don't want to write a letter! I WILL get rejected, I just know it.

dirtyfrank2005 & covered in bliss - I wanted to show you one of my top list of interpreters on youtube.

I think that it would help you see how EV can see how good they are.

Bjorn Storm caught my attention with his interpretation of "New Shit" from Marilyn Manson on YouTube over a year ago.

Now I am not a fan of his music...but his ASL interpretation is dead on! Then I got hooked on his other work.

I did ask him to do San Diego, but he couldn't do the job because he had things going on and felt it wasn't fair to me because of insufficient time to prepare for the show. He said maybe in a year or two...depending on things are going for him.

I love him! He's also a body artist...I told him I wanted him to paint himself for the show like backspacer - the Fixer guy. Hehe. Too bad that didn't work out. :(

Just pay attention to his body language and how it matches Marylin Manson's music - make sure you get it in high quality and full screen for best viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaAmlhzELpw

That guy is my dream interpreter. :oops:

Another top interpreter on my list is Natalie from Nashville, who did really an incredible job for EV's solo show at Ryman: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iammine_my ... 564566975/

No, I'm not going to insert that picture into here to make it stand out here...just click on that and that's her on the left. I'd crop myself out...but that would hurt her feelings because we've become friends.

Yeah, it's cool to have people like dirtyfrank! Forgot to say thanks, too! Especially for reading ALL of this. :oops:

Got caught up with the excitement over ACL and lack of sleep... just woke up from a nice nap!

I totally agree with you, blondie, on giving the "helpers" the extra attention. :P

That's something I struggled too... people say it's because I'm jealous. No, it's not that... shit, that's how they got the job in the first because we screamed for it...years!!! And it's like... I'm not gonna go there.

Yet...it's a good way to expose people in a positive way... if Ed shows positive attitude towards the interpreters, then that's a good thing for us because we've been looked down in a negative way for a long time.

You know, personally from my experience, I was always annoyed with speakers - even some teachers - coming up to me and saying "I don't want your interpreter to stand next to me, it's distracting me or the students - so it'd benefit everybody if she sat down." :evil: Same thing in school and college.

At the Obama rally (before he became president), before he came out - there was an interpreter who was standing next to the speakers and then security came in and removed the interpreter.

Oh, there was a big argument between me and the security with the interpreter from afar (nice to know sign language in this situation, eh?). I gave them an ultimatum....they wanted to move her to the very back where I could barely see her and people walking by (or people standing up in their chairs, blocking my view).

We had to compromise (for security purposes, but I knew Obama or his people did not want the interpreter to be seen with him on the stage - how hypocrite of him saying equal rights for minorities right to my face during his speech!) that the interpreter would be closer but about away from Obama.

You can't help but admire a different language! The difference is that Ed wasn't pitying the interpreter, he found it fanasticing- the language and how it looks like with his songs. Just as he would if someone was singing in a different language in other countries. He likes different languages, from what I can tell.

LOL... I have to wake Bobby up for football today. :roll: Football... only interested in looking at those tight pants.

CC on the big screen... that's an option...but it does kill the show because I wouldn't 'really' flow with the crowd because I am stuck to the screen, trying to catch up with the rolling captioning (I hate those, you know like news?). But that's something to consider, though! It does save money compared to an interpreter, I think....

I enjoy CC at home... but don't know what it'd be like at a concert with CC. I'd find that weird... prefer an interpreter over that at the show, but prefer CC at home! Go figure.

Yeah, Kim is really a very cool lady! She is so over that T2BK 'fuck up' experience and uses it as an example for her ASL classes for the topic "Shit happens" She's funny!!

No...I don't wanna copy/paste it and send it to PJ. :P Nooppe. And I refuse to think they would even bother to read this... but maybe the 10c management. I can deal with that. I do know that they do pass information to them from time to time, from what I've seen here.

Thanks, let me know what you think about those videos... I'm curious what you think!