(PJ related) CBS: Video Relay Interpreters Companies Busted

blondieblue227

sure..........blab away. yeah on PM

IamMine

blondieblue227 wrote:

sure..........blab away. yeah on PM

Thanks - it's in your inbox waiting for you to read.

G'nite.

IamMine

hey Blondie... i'm going to say something in related to your paper about organizations working together for a cause with the latest current event here in MI.

There is a threat of closing the Deaf Education at MSU - the only other school major in Deaf Education that teaches and promotes ASL. Eastern Michigan School only provides the concentration area of Auditory/Oral (speech and listening therapy). http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=180527046260


Um.... no noise in the Deaf Community, nor has any Deaf/Hard of Hearing organization, even on the state level - DODHH - has issued any press releases on their websites addressing this concern.

There's a rally going on this Friday at MSU.

Who's leading the rally? HEARING students who are majoring in Deaf Education. While I applaud their quick actions and taking activism, it's embarrassing to see no organization stepping up and saying I'll take the lead or support this and urging the community to come and support.

The community is saying nothing. And this says that they are okay with hearing people stepping in and taking care of the problems for them. *slams forehead*

On one organization's site for the events this weekend i saw was the Texas poker 'em. *groans*

I would like to go to the rally but have no gas money and going to ask around for a ride over there...

A LANGUAGE is being taken away in education and the community is saying nothing?

I posted this rally on our unofficial organization's blog last week... not even ONE comment and we have a lot of subscriptions.

blondieblue227

Yeah I do know that’s been an issue in the deaf community for a LONG time. pity it’s still going on. (hiring hearing instead of one of their ‘own’)

it's not good when one steps in on the behalf of another ......when that other has no say so.
and then for THAT person/group to just lie back and lets them do it......that's BAD.

IamMine

blondieblue227 wrote:

Yeah I do know that’s been an issue in the deaf community for a LONG time. pity it’s still going on. (hiring hearing instead of one of their ‘own’)

it's not good when one steps in on the behalf of another ......when that other has no say so.
and then for THAT person/group to just lie back and lets them do it......that's BAD.

And I've just been asked to give a brief speech on behalf of an official organization for the rally this FRI.

I just don't want to look like an idiot if there's cameras on me. If the media even bothered to show up. :P I get extremely nervous when people look at me.... especially when there are so many people! i get sick in my stomach and losing balance. Stage fright.

A good friend of mine, an activist who is better at politics than anyone else in the community, is giving her speech to someone else because she has to be in classes this Fri. :( She'd be way better at it and IS good at it!

Now I'm nervous.... fuck.

Will be busy the next few days, hoping to rally more support and working with people in contacting organizations to be there. Last minute... as usual. :roll:

blondieblue227

do a shot before you go on! hehehe...

IamMine

blondieblue227 wrote:

do a shot before you go on! hehehe...

LMAO!!

And slur in sign language!

blondieblue227

ha!

dirtyfrank2005

IamMine:

IamMine wrote:

dirtyfrank2005 & covered in bliss - I wanted to show you one of my top list of interpreters on youtube.

I think that it would help you see how EV can see how good they are.

Bjorn Storm caught my attention with his interpretation of "New Shit" from Marilyn Manson on YouTube over a year ago.

Now I am not a fan of his music...but his ASL interpretation is dead on! Then I got hooked on his other work.

I did ask him to do San Diego, but he couldn't do the job because he had things going on and felt it wasn't fair to me because of insufficient time to prepare for the show. He said maybe in a year or two...depending on things are going for him.

I love him! He's also a body artist...I told him I wanted him to paint himself for the show like backspacer - the Fixer guy. Hehe. Too bad that didn't work out. :(

Just pay attention to his body language and how it matches Marylin Manson's music - make sure you get it in high quality and full screen for best viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaAmlhzELpw

That guy is my dream interpreter. :oops:

Another top interpreter on my list is Natalie from Nashville, who did really an incredible job for EV's solo show at Ryman: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iammine_my ... 564566975/

No, I'm not going to insert that picture into here to make it stand out here...just click on that and that's her on the left. I'd crop myself out...but that would hurt her feelings because we've become friends.

He's amazing! I've lost track of how many times I've watched that video. Saw all of his other videos too! His video is better than the official one (looked it up for comparison, not a fan of that music either). I hope you can get him for some shows next tour. Can you book him ahead for the 20th? I hope the evil interpreters don't discourage you from going to shows. Hey, if we ever go to the same shows, I would be more than willing to hassle anyone that bugs you. Got into a little... lets say "discussion" with the photographers at OLF. But I was not one of the ones that used their heads as target practice (tempted to :twisted: ), that was on Stone's side (I was on Mike's).

IamMine wrote:

:P Now my ass is the one getting kicked. :( Yes, i know you meant well....

Well, that is going to take a lot of thinking on how/what to write....

we are talking about asking them to take on additional responsibilities and more $$ to pay. Something that they are NOT required to do.

And secondly, getting enough support and/or interest to back me up on this. From my experience, not much... not even on the lolla case!!! Very few, to my surprise - they'd rather talk about it than going through the process with me.

I am not comfortable in signing off the letter.... that there are also others who would love to see this happening.

I do agree with you on one part - at least try. Sigh... it's not the management I'm mad at, Mel.... but whatever, I'm starting to sound ridiculous now.

Glad you're starting to change your mind about the letter. Again if you need any help with proof reading the letter or want someone to sign it with you, let me know.
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Blondie:

I read your paper, and learned a lot. The gray areas are ridiculous, and the "Grandfather Clauses" are just disgusting. Trying to get out of making buildings accessible to everyone! My family often wonders why some buildings haven't been fixed. The biggest shock was at Disneyland ("The Happiest Place on Earth") last summer. My sister was still recovering from a broken ankle and was wearing a boot and using a cane. She nearly slipped on the stones on the way in. She couldn't make it at all on the cobblestones on Main Street. Then we rented a wheelchair from them, but it wasn't allowed on the monorail to Downtown Disney. It would be leaving the park area. And the hilly land at Disneyland! It was all I could do to keep her from flying going up or down hill! And two of the newest rides should be fine right? Nope. The line for the Buzz Lightyear ride was so slanted that I to use all my weight and have my knee in her back to keep her stationary. And the brand new, opened in 2009 Finding Nemo Subs? Not even wheelchair accessible. She managed to hobble down the narrow, curving steps though (Taurus the bull, stupidly stubborn). Hell, I even had trouble going down. One disabled man couldn't go with his family and had to wait on the side for them. That really bothered us. You'd think Disneyland, of all places (and with THAT MANY people going though there), would have their shit together! Hope someone slaps them with a lawsuit. :twisted: Your paper reminded me of all this. At least I now know how people get away with all this (and more). :(
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Btw, its at the end of the semester for me, so I won't be able to respond back as quickly as I'd like. But come Dec. 17th I'm free!

IamMine

dirtyfrank2005, I say this in the Jamily way - i love you!

Bjorn is fucking awesome! he's my addict biatch!

By the way, he responded today and said he is so thrilled that somebody is doing something about the traveling interpreter with a band... he strongly believes that one who is well versed with the band's materials and qualified to do the job, should. That it is one of his goals of changing the music industry by doing that.

And he said after things settle down, he'd be up for the job if PJ would hire him. YYEEESSS!!!!

Also, the Nashville interpreter said she'd do it too...and she also wanted to work with Bjorn!

So there...I've taken care of two possible interpreters for PJ to consider...but of course, they have the power to deny them and choose others... like choosing those Texas terps. :evil: Like it or not, they are also one of the best ones out there... but they won't get as much support as Bjorn would. :P I would NOT go to any PJ shows if they chose the Texas terps.

Thanks, man!

It also will be a while before i post a draft letter here for you and others to look at for feedback.

Then it's just a waiting game... but i have to expect that they will reject the proposal. :P

But we have to try, right?

Finish up the semester really good, you hear?! We need you back here with good head!

dirtyfrank2005

Man? Everyone thinks I'm a guy. :roll: I'm a 19 (pushing 20) year old girl who just gets a little strange when she gets hungry. :twisted: I love that song.

That's great that they're both interested in touring for PJ! I move that we start an official petition here to get them as the band's official interpreters! Post examples of their work, get signatures.

I've been thinking, would it help if PJ had the interpreters on the video screens? Each side would have one screen with the guys and one with the interpreters. I have a lot of time to think during my geology class. Really bad/boring teacher who's only 21. When I read your description of SEE, it reminded me of him.

On a side note, I'm trying to get into an impacted program to become a graphic designer like Barry & Coby (who I got to meet at OLF), Jeff, and Brad. Pre-majoring right now. Only 40 of about 120 will get in when we apply in the spring. Until then, they're trying to kill some of us off. :shock:

redrock

I've read through all of this and it is very enlightening. I guess a sign language interpreter is much like any oral language interpreter. I used to do simultaneous translation for the EU and I had my specialist subject, therefore knew the ins and outs of the subject, all the jargon, etc. I interpreted during discussions on that subject and no other. It took a lot of training/knowledge to be able to do so (all this during working hours, so paid). I can only assume that if you want someone to interpret 15/20 songs from a band as they are meant (though each and everyone of us has different ideas on what the songs mean!) it is the same as a specialised subject. To get the quality of intepretation you require, you almost need a 'touring' interpreter who can be properly trained.

And, like in all professions, you get committed people, decent workers and crap ones.

All this stuff of fraud is scary though.

blondieblue227

Dirtyfrank – yeah, those are excellent examples of the crap we go thru. Thou that’s just scratching the surface. Yep, being Disney only makes it that more depressing. Last I heard, they don’t have Close Captioning either. I grew up near Colonial Williamsburg. My school would take fieldtrips there every friggin year, and I couldn’t go in most buildings. I don’t know what it’s like now, but I’d be so mad, here I was a local citizen and I couldn’t enjoy it! put a ramp in back where nobody can see, make a portable dvd player of what is seen and heard so I can watch it right there. My whole family worked there at some point, and I couldn’t even enjoy the whole thing.

And the lawsuit thing. It’s a shame it hasta come to that. It shouldn’t have to come to that if people would follow the ADA. ….and if the ADA was stronger. It’s weak, IMO.

Lol! I had that same problem, even with ‘blonde’ in my name. I changed my pic. Put a tight shirt on and let everybody know what I was working with.



Oh wow! Amazing news about Bjorn!


Redrock – I suppose this is enlightening for many people. Which is maybe why kat hasn’t locked it yet. Thanks for letting us advocate!

IamMine

Hey, Blondie!

The rally went well... though not as many people due to the cold and icy weather today... I was freezing my butt off! I also hurt my leg bad... my knee is swollen and bruised because I fell on the ice trying to get my speech paper when it flew out of my car. :( Then AGAIN walking up to the rally. Oh man... I had to hide my pain the whole day.... and did I mention the freezing part?

But it made news, though... found myself on three sites, lol.

Also made it to the TV news in Lansing:

http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=11623637

then click on the video on the left.

EDIT: video is no longer up there - two other links, one on YouTube with better quality and the other one is closed-captioned but not as good quality.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFy01JceXyM
CC: http://vodpod.com/watch/2637962-deaf-ra ... ?pod=billc


Man... I hate it when they edit pieces of the interview... for example when you see me pulling out my cochlear implant... they didn't voice that part.

I was responding to Dr. Ames' email to the Michigan Department of Education on the increasing usage of cochlear implants and implying that ASL would no longer be in demand.

Pfft...

But that's my good friend, who was also being interviewed - glad she decided to skip her classes and showed up at the rally!

blondieblue227

Omg! Are you ok?

You did great on the video! I’m glad your friend decided to do it.

This bad economy is rough. Often first thing on the chopping block are programs for people with disabilities.

Bbbuurrr snow. Reminds me we are going to my states general assembly soon to advocate. It’s always on the coldest day of the year! I think it’s a conspiracy. Hehehe! They pick the coldest day because they don’t want anybody to show up.

satansbed

okay im probably very ignorant here as i only read the first page, but how does a deaf person listen to music??

blondieblue227

i was waiting for that question!

ding ding ding! you win the surprise.

i'm not deaf. iamMine, mind saying again?
it's on here but i forget what page.

IamMine

satansbed wrote:

okay im probably very ignorant here as i only read the first page, but how does a deaf person listen to music??

blondieblue227 wrote:

i was waiting for that question!

ding ding ding! you win the surprise.

i'm not deaf. iamMine, mind saying again?
it's on here but i forget what page.

:P

IamMine wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

Well ok, tell me if I’m wrong…..

When somebody asked me why do deaf people even go to concerts:

I said it was some deaf people are not completely deaf. Also, they love to feel vibrations from the beat.

You are right, there are various types of hearing losses even when they say they are deaf. Some think they hear absolutely nothing. That is true in my case!

And the 2nd part is very true! And the visualization helps too... especially in ASL where we can feel the emotions of the songs by watching the interpreters.

satansbed

IamMine wrote:

satansbed wrote:

okay im probably very ignorant here as i only read the first page, but how does a deaf person listen to music??

blondieblue227 wrote:

i was waiting for that question!

ding ding ding! you win the surprise.

i'm not deaf. iamMine, mind saying again?
it's on here but i forget what page.

:P

IamMine wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

Well ok, tell me if I’m wrong…..

When somebody asked me why do deaf people even go to concerts:

I said it was some deaf people are not completely deaf. Also, they love to feel vibrations from the beat.

You are right, there are various types of hearing losses even when they say they are deaf. Some think they hear absolutely nothing. That is true in my case!

And the 2nd part is very true! And the visualization helps too... especially in ASL where we can feel the emotions of the songs by watching the interpreters.

actually yeah i heard that, i think my best friends cousin is deaf and for here 18 they got a dj to play really hardcore trance so they could feel the vibrations, i think its really cool :thumbup:

blondieblue227

knew she'd dig it up for ya.

sounds like a pretty good 18th birthday party.