A respectful message to the mods...

pjalive21 · May 2008

Andy, good and respectful post

information around here is scarce..i usually hear about news anywhere from a few days to a week in advance before you get any word of anything on this board and it wasnt always like this

times change but it makes you appreciate the way things used to be

JamilyMan · May 2008

zootown wrote:

Anyone else thinking that threads like this are directly connected to how many shows are being played. I mean, the less shows there are, the more people become disgruntled and the more threads like this show up.

But is has nothing to do with the number of shows. I am very fortunate to be in the hub of where they are touring in June, and I am thankful that so many shows are being offered in this area. I am not disgruntled in any way, and I do appreciate that I was able to get tix through the Ten Club. I have been appreciative of many things they have provided, and am not criticizing them. I am simply making a request that they may or may not be able to fulfill. If they are unable to provide more information or context around some of the band/corporation's decision, so be it. That is their right. But, I do have the right to ask.

zootown · May 2008

JamilyMan wrote:

But is has nothing to do with the number of shows. I am very fortunate to be in the hub of where they are touring in June, and I am thankful that so many shows are being offered in this area. I am not disgruntled in any way, and I do appreciate that I was able to get tix through the Ten Club. I have been appreciative of many things they have provided, and am not criticizing them. I am simply making a request that they may or may not be able to fulfill. If they are unable to provide more information or context around some of the band/corporation's decision, so be it. That is their right. But, I do have the right to ask.

point taken. It just seems that after all the touring in the US in 06, there has been a lot more people creating threads to complain about 10c, the mods, the band, the tickets...just about anything. I dont come here much lately because of it...

samnation · May 2008

mattosborne wrote:

I didn't say I didn't appreciate what they do for us, I definitley do. Bands that don't have fan clubs post album updates and stuff like that. You act as if everything a band does for us is at some cost. All i'm asking for is NEWS every once in a while.

I totally get what you're saying. But I don't think it's really fair to compare bands since they are often so different from one another. To say that just because one band does something PJ should do it too lumps the band in with everyone else, which I don't think makes much sense. As I said before, they do their own thing and I believe that is one of the things we actually like about them. There are other bands that are a lot more comfortable with exposing more of their private lives as well as the "behind-the-scenes" aspect of their operations. But that's a very individual choice and cannot be considered a standard. If Pearl Jam decides to only communicate through their music releases and performances, so be it. BTW, they do give a lot on stage and there was some great "behind-the-scenes" stuff on the Italy concerts DVD.

Another thing to consider is most other bands at PJ's level have fan clubs run by large companies and/or their label. Artist fan clubs are big business these days, just ask LiveNation. And consequently these companies have resources for generating content as well as agreements with the band/their managers requiring a commitment of the bands level of involvement. Sure, you might get more day-to-day info and faster news updates, but there often is no genuine connection between the fans and the band. It winds up feeling very dry, slick and corporate, like someone just signed a check somewhere and said "we got an album and a tour coming next spring, go make us a fan club."

I definitely appreciate that PJ has taken the time to keep their fan club in-house and home grown this whole time. I'd rather have a connection with them than Sony or a hear-today-gone-tomorrow corporate run fan club. But the trade-off is you have to play by their rules and their preferences on how they interact with their fans. You may not like it at times but I trust it's what they think is best for them and their music, and ultimately that's all that really matters.

Yellow Ledbelly · May 2008

JamilyMan wrote:

But is has nothing to do with the number of shows. I am very fortunate to be in the hub of where they are touring in June, and I am thankful that so many shows are being offered in this area. I am not disgruntled in any way, and I do appreciate that I was able to get tix through the Ten Club. I have been appreciative of many things they have provided, and am not criticizing them. I am simply making a request that they may or may not be able to fulfill. If they are unable to provide more information or context around some of the band/corporation's decision, so be it. That is their right. But, I do have the right to ask.

Your message to the mods was indeed well written and respectful in my opinion and you do have the right to ask.

My question is: Why would you ask?

It is in the corporation's best interest financially to let us know when something is afoot so what's wrong with waiting for the time when they are actually ready to announce something instead of harping on and requesting info about things that may or not be in the works>

Jamilyman, I mean no ill will toward you at all, but I'm one who visits this board just for fun and for information...but the idea held by a certain population here that band info should be free-flowing and readily available at all times, even if it is a simple reply to say "No, there are no boots" or whatever, seems totally ridiculous to me. I wouldn't even expect a 'No' to a yes or no question....then again, I wouldn't ask either

PissBottleMan · May 2008

samnation wrote:

I definitely appreciate that PJ has taken the time to keep their fan club in-house and home grown this whole time. I'd rather have a connection with them than Sony or a hear-today-gone-tomorrow corporate run fan club. But the trade-off is you have to play by their rules and their preferences on how they interact with their fans. You may not like it at times but I trust it's what they think is best for them and their music, and ultimately that's all that really matters.

I agree with what you are saying, but you have to concede that times have changed.

There was more communication at one point and then it just stopped. I'm not sure what brought that on.

PBM

PissBottleMan · May 2008

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

I'm one who visits this board just for fun and for information...but the idea held by a certain population here that band info should be free-flowing and readily available at all times, even if it is a simple reply to say "No, there are no boots" or whatever, seems totally ridiculous to me. I wouldn't even expect a 'No' to a yes or no question....then again, I wouldn't ask either

I don't want to step on JamilyMan's answer but I think there was a time when the board wasn't as conservative in the way information and responses were disbursed.

Just my observation.

PBM

samnation · May 2008

PissBottleMan wrote:

I agree with what you are saying, but you have to concede that times have changed.

There was more communication at one point and then it just stopped. I'm not sure what brought that on.

PBM

Yes, you are absolutely correct. And I admit it sucks, speaking 100% from a fan perspective. But I do respect their choice and I'm also sure that it will change again, maybe when there's a new album. We're all a bit older now, the guys have kids and families taking up their time and energy, maybe things are just moving slower in PJ world these days.

No Fear Of Falling · May 2008

samnation wrote:

Yes, you are absolutely correct. And I admit it sucks, speaking 100% from a fan perspective. But I do respect their choice and I'm also sure that it will change again, maybe when there's a new album. We're all a bit older now, the guys have kids and families taking up their time and energy, maybe things are just moving slower in PJ world these days.

Thats understandable, but at the same time.. how hard is it to type the following sentence and make it a sticky:

"At this time, we are uncertain about the availability of boots for the upcoming tour. More information will be provided as it becomes available".

Not like any of the 5 band members would even have to be the ones to type it.

PissBottleMan · May 2008

samnation wrote:

We're all a bit older now, the guys have kids and families taking up their time and energy, maybe things are just moving slower in PJ world these days.

I absolutely relate and agree with that.

But, answers to simple questions don't come from Edward directly...they have people for that.

A simple liaison between the band and the fans can help a lot of situations.

PBM

samnation · May 2008

No Fear Of Falling wrote:

Thats understandable, but at the same time.. how hard is it to type the following sentence and make it a sticky:

"At this time, we are uncertain about the availability of boots for the upcoming tour. More information will be provided as it becomes available".

Not like any of the 5 band members would even have to be the ones to type it.

Yes, of course you are correct, it's not hard to do at all. And maybe it would help. I am reminded though of another band fan club message board I was a part of where people often asked questions and the mods often wrote things like "Sorry, we have no information at this time." And what happened was people got sick of hearing the same response over and over and started complaining about the response. So maybe it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for the mods here. I'm sure they would tell us anything they could if they knew anything and/or had permission to do so from PJ or their management. But if alls quiet from the band, they're kinda stuck.

When you think about it, the mod's silence is pretty much equivalent to "At this time, we are uncertain about the availability of boots for the upcoming tour. More information will be provided as it becomes available". It's pretty safe to say that would be their response if they don't offer up any response at all.

samnation · May 2008

PissBottleMan wrote:

A simple liaison between the band and the fans can help a lot of situations.

PBM

Agreed. I hope that happens in time for the next album at least.

YieldInHiding · May 2008

PissBottleMan wrote:

A simple liaison between the band and the fans can help a lot of situations.

PBM

Isn't that Rubysdad's job? Can't say we get a lot of information from him. If he's the 10c "President" shouldn't he be constantly trying to get us info when possible? If not, maybe we need to elect a new President.

PissBottleMan · May 2008

It's been my experience that Mods x 2 have become more stern and less playful and fun.

Maybe they're jaded.

Some days, I don't blame them.

But, Rumor Pits were nice and we've lost some very intelligent and thought-provoking folks over the past few years.

In the words of Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone Ritchie: "This used to be my playground..."

PBM

PissBottleMan · May 2008

YieldInHiding wrote:

Isn't that Rubysdad's job? Can't say we get a lot of information from him. If he's the 10c "President" shouldn't he be constantly trying to get us info when possible? If not, maybe we need to elect a new President.

I would think that Tim would be the liaison, but I don't know what his day-to-day duties are.

Again, there was a noticeable time when things started to change.

We all have to tow the company line and it's possible he has to do the same.

PBM

blondieblue227 · May 2008

copycat.......

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=285173

there's rules for everything. members should know the rules.
i'm a mod on a chat board and even thou the rules are posted i post a reason....then lock the thread.
but that's just lil ol me.

what about the pj motto, givemesometruth? i for one am not trying to boss them around but still i want to make sense of their decisions. i guess that's wrong thou and we are supposed to be blind sheep.

fanch75 · May 2008

Pearl Jam, like W, doesn't care about black people.

einatshaul · May 2008

We can just enjoy what we have and take this whole thing a little easier, as if we are talking about a rock band... Hey, we are talking about a rock band! there are other issues in life to be taken so seriously... Relax and enjoy the shows.