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soulsinging · September 2009

danleri wrote:

It's getting stronger in me the opinion that it might have been a collective decision of the whole band, right or wrong, to put some Into The Wild leftovers in Backspacer, given the large success the soundtrack has had. Maybe they thought that way Backspacer could sell more and I don't see anything wrong with that. I personally think it wasn't a good idea to include the "solo" songs in their record and not because I don't like those songs, but because I'd rather have them on their own and without the over-production. I just don't see why they had to rearrange Speed of Sound that way, for instance. It just doesn't sound right. Stick to acoustic and publish an Into The Wild Part II, rather. Either way, it is true that Stone has had less to say over the years and left more and more space to Eddie instead. And it shows. There was a time when they all shared 20% of royalties and everybody knows that after a while Stone agreed to give 4% to Eddie and so did the rest of the band, so now Eddie gets 36% and the rest of them only 14%. So that could be an explanation for Stone's "withdrawal" from songwriting in Pearl Jam.

There might be something to that. It actually popped into my head from the other thread about Just Breathe climbing the charts... a lot of its success might be that it appeals to people that got ITW or bought it after years of being at a distance from PJ... a way to hook some of the people that may be interested in PJ thanks to ITW but don't know what to expect from a regular PJ album.

imissyoualready · September 2009

soulsinging wrote:

danleri wrote:

It's getting stronger in me the opinion that it might have been a collective decision of the whole band, right or wrong, to put some Into The Wild leftovers in Backspacer, given the large success the soundtrack has had. Maybe they thought that way Backspacer could sell more and I don't see anything wrong with that. I personally think it wasn't a good idea to include the "solo" songs in their record and not because I don't like those songs, but because I'd rather have them on their own and without the over-production. I just don't see why they had to rearrange Speed of Sound that way, for instance. It just doesn't sound right. Stick to acoustic and publish an Into The Wild Part II, rather. Either way, it is true that Stone has had less to say over the years and left more and more space to Eddie instead. And it shows. There was a time when they all shared 20% of royalties and everybody knows that after a while Stone agreed to give 4% to Eddie and so did the rest of the band, so now Eddie gets 36% and the rest of them only 14%. So that could be an explanation for Stone's "withdrawal" from songwriting in Pearl Jam.

There might be something to that. It actually popped into my head from the other thread about Just Breathe climbing the charts... a lot of its success might be that it appeals to people that got ITW or bought it after years of being at a distance from PJ... a way to hook some of the people that may be interested in PJ thanks to ITW but don't know what to expect from a regular PJ album.

You were singing a different tune yesterday werent you?

soulsinging · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

You get Kudos for using the word "Whilst"

Don't you use it? Perfectly normal and common word, appropriately used in the sentence.

Is that all you retained from my post?

I dont believe in opinions...there are only facts and fictions. Let me give you an example:

1) Backspacer is not an absolute masterpiece
FICTION

2) Backspacer is an absolute masterpiece
FACT

Your credibility in determining fact from fiction was destroyed when I read you descrbie Riot Act as a masterpiece elsewhere

imissyoualready · September 2009

soulsinging wrote:

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

Don't you use it? Perfectly normal and common word, appropriately used in the sentence.

Is that all you retained from my post?

I dont believe in opinions...there are only facts and fictions. Let me give you an example:

1) Backspacer is not an absolute masterpiece
FICTION

2) Backspacer is an absolute masterpiece
FACT

Your credibility in determining fact from fiction was destroyed when I read you descrbie Riot Act as a masterpiece elsewhere

Soul....you and I are going to have to meet up before a show and fist fight. I dont see any way around it. You're a flip-flopper if I've ever seen one and someone should swiftboat you.

soulsinging · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

danleri wrote:

It's getting stronger in me the opinion that it might have been a collective decision of the whole band, right or wrong, to put some Into The Wild leftovers in Backspacer, given the large success the soundtrack has had. Maybe they thought that way Backspacer could sell more and I don't see anything wrong with that. I personally think it wasn't a good idea to include the "solo" songs in their record and not because I don't like those songs, but because I'd rather have them on their own and without the over-production. I just don't see why they had to rearrange Speed of Sound that way, for instance. It just doesn't sound right. Stick to acoustic and publish an Into The Wild Part II, rather. Either way, it is true that Stone has had less to say over the years and left more and more space to Eddie instead. And it shows. There was a time when they all shared 20% of royalties and everybody knows that after a while Stone agreed to give 4% to Eddie and so did the rest of the band, so now Eddie gets 36% and the rest of them only 14%. So that could be an explanation for Stone's "withdrawal" from songwriting in Pearl Jam.

There might be something to that. It actually popped into my head from the other thread about Just Breathe climbing the charts... a lot of its success might be that it appeals to people that got ITW or bought it after years of being at a distance from PJ... a way to hook some of the people that may be interested in PJ thanks to ITW but don't know what to expect from a regular PJ album.

You were singing a different tune yesterday werent you?

The tune yesterday was that the song sounds like an ITW b-side, which is exactly what was said here. I still think it's a boring song. Maybe that's why it's charting so well on itunes. But his point that maybe it was placed on the album deliberately for that reason is one I hadn't thought of. I still don't like it, but it's less alarming than the thought that every PJ album from here on will be 50% Ed solo songs with a few token tracks where the "other guys" get a song.

soulsinging · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

I'm kinda sad that all the arguing died down here. But i guess it's for the best.

You were singing a different tune yesterday when you wanted us all to shut up and kept talking about leaving because you couldn't handle the negativity... now you miss it? Fun isn't it?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun · September 2009

Casn we just move on from Pitchfork? who cares? there have been like two bad reviews out of a million. its ok guys.

decides2dream · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

danleri wrote:

It's getting stronger in me the opinion that it might have been a collective decision of the whole band, right or wrong, to put some Into The Wild leftovers in Backspacer, given the large success the soundtrack has had. Maybe they thought that way Backspacer could sell more and I don't see anything wrong with that. I personally think it wasn't a good idea to include the "solo" songs in their record and not because I don't like those songs, but because I'd rather have them on their own and without the over-production. I just don't see why they had to rearrange Speed of Sound that way, for instance. It just doesn't sound right. Stick to acoustic and publish an Into The Wild Part II, rather. Either way, it is true that Stone has had less to say over the years and left more and more space to Eddie instead. And it shows. There was a time when they all shared 20% of royalties and everybody knows that after a while Stone agreed to give 4% to Eddie and so did the rest of the band, so now Eddie gets 36% and the rest of them only 14%. So that could be an explanation for Stone's "withdrawal" from songwriting in Pearl Jam.

There might be something to that. It actually popped into my head from the other thread about Just Breathe climbing the charts... a lot of its success might be that it appeals to people that got ITW or bought it after years of being at a distance from PJ... a way to hook some of the people that may be interested in PJ thanks to ITW but don't know what to expect from a regular PJ album.

You were singing a different tune yesterday werent you?

is that not allowed?
isn't that the point of entering in discussion? being open and receptive to others' pov, and perhaps altering your own thoughts in the process? i think that is the "problem" in this forum oftentimes...that one must take a stand! always! stand, unwavering on their thoughts and opinions...instead of actually disseminating and considering other povs, and learning from them.

btw - i actually enjoyed/appreciated a great # of ss points....especially about stone. it was not something i had given much thought to, and then when someone else made mention of it being a conscious decision of the band that they all play second fiddle to ed...firstly, i thought...how could they know that? secodnly, even if true for myriad reasons, i am sure as well....anyone as talented as stone, well...tis a shame to play 'second fiddle' to anyone. but i digress....

and seeing your flip-flopper comment, i think all the more....wtf?
seriously. hope it;s all in humor. i think dissecting others' points and reassessing is cool, not flip-flopping, and i don't even see any of it in any case. i see at most, an opinion being refined, but many of the ideas presented still stand. and no this is no 'defense'......it simply interests me b/c again, this is what i oftentimes find frustrating with this place - it's not all or nothing. personal growth is a good thing. that growth occurs from taking in thoughts of others, and sometimes....yea...now altering your view.

just my 2 cents there.
but hey, this thread started with beating down on someone b/c the OP didn't like their opinion and/or how they shared it.....yet others here scloded for doing the same thing....so i just don't know......

imissyoualready · September 2009

soulsinging wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

danleri wrote:

It's getting stronger in me the opinion that it might have been a collective decision of the whole band, right or wrong, to put some Into The Wild leftovers in Backspacer, given the large success the soundtrack has had. Maybe they thought that way Backspacer could sell more and I don't see anything wrong with that. I personally think it wasn't a good idea to include the "solo" songs in their record and not because I don't like those songs, but because I'd rather have them on their own and without the over-production. I just don't see why they had to rearrange Speed of Sound that way, for instance. It just doesn't sound right. Stick to acoustic and publish an Into The Wild Part II, rather. Either way, it is true that Stone has had less to say over the years and left more and more space to Eddie instead. And it shows. There was a time when they all shared 20% of royalties and everybody knows that after a while Stone agreed to give 4% to Eddie and so did the rest of the band, so now Eddie gets 36% and the rest of them only 14%. So that could be an explanation for Stone's "withdrawal" from songwriting in Pearl Jam.

There might be something to that. It actually popped into my head from the other thread about Just Breathe climbing the charts... a lot of its success might be that it appeals to people that got ITW or bought it after years of being at a distance from PJ... a way to hook some of the people that may be interested in PJ thanks to ITW but don't know what to expect from a regular PJ album.

You were singing a different tune yesterday werent you?

The tune yesterday was that the song sounds like an ITW b-side, which is exactly what was said here. I still think it's a boring song. Maybe that's why it's charting so well on itunes. But his point that maybe it was placed on the album deliberately for that reason is one I hadn't thought of. I still don't like it, but it's less alarming than the thought that every PJ album from here on will be 50% Ed solo songs with a few token tracks where the "other guys" get a song.[/quote]

Dude go back and read your liner notes....

Starting with Vitalogy, Ed has had more songs on the records than any 1 other member. Ed, traditionally, writes the stuff with the simplest structure and he writes complete 'songs'. You seriously need to read up on how PJ picks songs. It's very democratic. Nobody gets a song on a disc (or gets one recorded for that matter) unless at least one other member of the band nominates it. McCready had the most songs on S/T and Stone had 4 songs on Riot Act, he had 3 or 4 on Binaural.....and, to correct your comments from yesterday, he has 2 by himself on Backspacer and he helped with 2 others. And believe me, Ed does not write the other guy's parts even when he writes the tune. You need to 'get right'

soulsinging · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Your credibility in determining fact from fiction was destroyed when I read you descrbie Riot Act as a masterpiece elsewhere

Soul....you and I are going to have to meet up before a show and fist fight. I dont see any way around it. You're a flip-flopper if I've ever seen one and someone should swiftboat you.

To those without the intellectual capacity to comprehend nuance and subtlety, I'm sure that is how I seem. I've hated Riot Act for years though... how does that make me a flip-flopper? Half the people on here probably only know me by the fact that I hate that album so much, hehe. It's not like I was saying it was an absolute masterpiece yesterday and now claim it sucks. Do you know what flip-flop means?

In any event, the day I get into a fistfight over opinions about a rock band is the day I admit to the world that I am a pathetic loser with no life outside obsessing over posters and bootlegs. And on that day, I will kill myself.

Besides, any sort of fight with me is a bad idea. I don't fight fair

imissyoualready · September 2009

soulsinging wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Your credibility in determining fact from fiction was destroyed when I read you descrbie Riot Act as a masterpiece elsewhere

Soul....you and I are going to have to meet up before a show and fist fight. I dont see any way around it. You're a flip-flopper if I've ever seen one and someone should swiftboat you.

To those without the intellectual capacity to comprehend nuance and subtlety, I'm sure that is how I seem. I've hated Riot Act for years though... how does that make me a flip-flopper? Half the people on here probably only know me by the fact that I hate that album so much, hehe. It's not like I was saying it was an absolute masterpiece yesterday and now claim it sucks. Do you know what flip-flop means?

In any event, the day I get into a fistfight over opinions about a rock band is the day I admit to the world that I am a pathetic loser with no life outside obsessing over posters and bootlegs. And on that day, I will kill myself.

Besides, any sort of fight with me is a bad idea. I don't fight fair

Well we should at least get drunk at throw stuff at each other. Maybe you'll get invited to the wedding too.

soulsinging · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

Dude go back and read your liner notes....

Starting with Vitalogy, Ed has had more songs on the records than any 1 other member. Ed, traditionally, writes the stuff with the simplest structure and he writes complete 'songs'. You seriously need to read up on how PJ picks songs. It's very democratic. Nobody gets a song on a disc (or gets one recorded for that matter) unless at least one other member of the band nominates it. McCready had the most songs on S/T and Stone had 4 songs on Riot Act, he had 3 or 4 on Binaural.....and, to correct your comments from yesterday, he has 2 by himself on Backspacer and he helped with 2 others. And believe me, Ed does not write the other guy's parts even when he writes the tune. You need to 'get right'

Yes, and those middle records were the best... Vitalogy-Binaural. Everyone had their hand in the album, and a lot of the songs were written together. Yield was an almost even split among the songwriters, with a lot of collaboration. Ditto for No Code. Even if Stone and Mike had a few more songs on the last 2 albums, those albums were 15 and 13 songs and Ed was still more than keeping pace with them. This album is 50% Ed and Ed alone... 5 out of 11 songs written solely by Ed with no input from anyone. You say he doesn't write the other guys' parts... what did Mike contribute to The End and Just Breathe then? All I hear is guitar and violin.

Sounds to me like you're not even trying to deny that songwriting credit distribution has changed, you're just telling me it's not a bad thing and the rest of the band said it's ok. That's fine and might be true. That still doesn't mean I have to like it. Stone might have voted in all 5 Ed songs, I'd still rather hear the songs he wrote than the songs Ed wrote that Stone likes.

soulsinging · September 2009

imissyoualready wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

In any event, the day I get into a fistfight over opinions about a rock band is the day I admit to the world that I am a pathetic loser with no life outside obsessing over posters and bootlegs. And on that day, I will kill myself.

Besides, any sort of fight with me is a bad idea. I don't fight fair

Well we should at least get drunk at throw stuff at each other. Maybe you'll get invited to the wedding too.

I am ALWAYS up for getting drunk and throwing stuff. Count me in at the next Cleveland show!

imissyoualready · September 2009

soulsinging wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

Dude go back and read your liner notes....

Starting with Vitalogy, Ed has had more songs on the records than any 1 other member. Ed, traditionally, writes the stuff with the simplest structure and he writes complete 'songs'. You seriously need to read up on how PJ picks songs. It's very democratic. Nobody gets a song on a disc (or gets one recorded for that matter) unless at least one other member of the band nominates it. McCready had the most songs on S/T and Stone had 4 songs on Riot Act, he had 3 or 4 on Binaural.....and, to correct your comments from yesterday, he has 2 by himself on Backspacer and he helped with 2 others. And believe me, Ed does not write the other guy's parts even when he writes the tune. You need to 'get right'

Yes, and those middle records were the best... Vitalogy-Binaural. Everyone had their hand in the album, and a lot of the songs were written together. Yield was an almost even split among the songwriters, with a lot of collaboration. Ditto for No Code. Even if Stone and Mike had a few more songs on the last 2 albums, those albums were 15 and 13 songs and Ed was still more than keeping pace with them. This album is 50% Ed and Ed alone... 5 out of 11 songs written solely by Ed with no input from anyone. You say he doesn't write the other guys' parts... what did Mike contribute to The End and Just Breathe then? All I hear is guitar and violin.

Sounds to me like you're not even trying to deny that songwriting credit distribution has changed, you're just telling me it's not a bad thing and the rest of the band said it's ok. That's fine and might be true. That still doesn't mean I have to like it. Stone might have voted in all 5 Ed songs, I'd still rather hear the songs he wrote than the songs Ed wrote that Stone likes.

5 out of 11 is only 45.45%

slightofjeff · September 2009

I don't know what this argument is all about. All I know is this: If you don't like Just Breathe, it is proof that you have no soul. Dick Cheney probably haaaaaaaates it.

imissyoualready · September 2009

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't know what this argument is all about. All I know is this: If you don't like Just Breathe, it is proof that you have no soul. Dick Cheney probably haaaaaaaates it.

And, as always, slightofjeff hits the nail on the head.

decides2dream · September 2009

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't know what this argument is all about. All I know is this: If you don't like Just Breathe, it is proof that you have no soul. Dick Cheney probably haaaaaaaates it.

why are comments like this ok, but not comments disagreeing about an album being a masterpiece? i actually don't have a problem with either, but i just don't understand it. (for the record, i LOVe just breathe....but amazingly, my husband doesn't - not a lyrics guy...and yes, he does have a soul

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slightofjeff · September 2009

decides2dream wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't know what this argument is all about. All I know is this: If you don't like Just Breathe, it is proof that you have no soul. Dick Cheney probably haaaaaaaates it.

why are comments like this ok, but not comments disagreeing about an album being a masterpiece? i actually don't have a problem with either, but i just don't understand it. (for the record, i LOVe just breathe....but amazingly, my husband doesn't - not a lyrics guy...and yes, he does have a soul )

I'd double check. Can he see his reflection in the mirror? When he goes to the supermarket, do the automatic doors open? Or can they not even sense his presence? You better conduct some experiments.

decides2dream · September 2009

slightofjeff wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't know what this argument is all about. All I know is this: If you don't like Just Breathe, it is proof that you have no soul. Dick Cheney probably haaaaaaaates it.

why are comments like this ok, but not comments disagreeing about an album being a masterpiece? i actually don't have a problem with either, but i just don't understand it. (for the record, i LOVe just breathe....but amazingly, my husband doesn't - not a lyrics guy...and yes, he does have a soul )

I'd double check. Can he see his reflection in the mirror? When he goes to the supermarket, do the automatic doors open? Or can they not even sense his presence? You better conduct some experiments.

i love conducting experiments.....but i can think of far more enticing ones than that.

but sure, deflect away from my actual point...tis ok.

btw - i actually was discussing backspacer with mr. dream over dinner last night as he finally gave it a first listen, overall he was 'eh'....but he said outright, i don't like that 'slow song'....and puts the album on, and plays just breathe.

i was actually unspurprised, b/c again...he is not a lyrics guy, especially for a first listen. he said it sounded like it should be on into the wild, not a pearl jam album.

fair enough. of course, it was the one and only song i fell in love with upon first listen....b/c i AM a lyrics chick. and yet, we work.

tho i will add, he said his opinions change wildly upon further listenings to an album, and he didn't even listen to the whole album all the wy thru yet, so whateva....tho i doubt it'll ever be a fave of his. i did, however, email him the lyrics to that tune AND unthought known, just b/c....he should at least read their mastery.

slightofjeff · September 2009

decides2dream wrote:

but sure, deflect away from my actual point...tis ok.

I didn't address that point because I came in on the back end of whatever discussion it sprung from, and didn't really want to get involved. Appropos of nothing, I just wanted to express my devotion to Just Breathe, and my belief that anyone who doesn't like must be inhabited by the spirit of Satan ... or maybe they're just deaf; can't hold it against deaf people. Not their fault.

btw - i actually was discussing backspacer with mr. dream over dinner last night as he finally gave it a first listen, overall he was 'eh'....but he said outright, i don't like that 'slow song'....and puts the album on, and plays just breathe. i was actually unspurprised, b/c again...he is not a lyrics guy, especially for a first listen. he said it sounded like it should be on into the wild, not a pearl jam album. fair enough. of course, it was the one and only song i fell in love with upon first listen....b/c i AM a lyrics chick. and yet, we work. tho i will add, he said his opinions change wildly upon further listenings to an album, and he didn't even listen to the whole album all the wy thru yet, so whateva....tho i doubt it'll ever be a fave of his. i did, however, email him the lyrics to that tune AND unthought known, just b/c....he should at least read their mastery.

The best thing about Ed's lyrics on this album, and really every album ... they would work as pure poetry, even without music behind them.

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