Lets Email the Author of the Terrible Pitchfork Review

imissyoualready

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

You get Kudos for using the word "Whilst"

Don't you use it? Perfectly normal and common word, appropriately used in the sentence.

Is that all you retained from my post?

I dont believe in opinions...there are only facts and fictions. Let me give you an example:

1) Backspacer is not an absolute masterpiece

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FICTION

2) Backspacer is an absolute masterpiece

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FACT

redrock

Black10 wrote:

Well obviously everyone has there own opinion as to what a "masterpiece" is but for me its quite simple, as far as Backspacer goes anyways..

I listen to Backspacer from start to finish for 37 minutes. To me, it feels like those 37 minutes goes by in about 5 minutes. Thats how much enjoyment I get out of EVERY one of the songs. They fly by. There is not one song I skip over, like alot of other albums, and I fall in love with a different song every day. And when the second "The End" is done I cannot start the album over fast enough. To me, personally, that's my definition of a masterpiece.

So you can accept that Dunk's (and other's) opinion that Backspacer is NOT a masterpiece is just as valid as they may have different ideas as to what a masterpiece really is? Just as you are saying it's a masterpiece, are these people not allowed to say it isn't (whether one posting here or a reviewer) without being 'lynched'?

redrock

imissyoualready wrote:

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

You get Kudos for using the word "Whilst"

Don't you use it? Perfectly normal and common word, appropriately used in the sentence.

Is that all you retained from my post?

I dont believe in opinions...there are only facts and fictions. Let me give you an example:

1) Backspacer is not an absolute masterpiece

---

FICTION

2) Backspacer is an absolute masterpiece

---

FACT

OK... I understand.... you are very wise and wordly :?

imissyoualready

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

I dont believe in opinions...there are only facts and fictions. Let me give you an example:

1) Backspacer is not an absolute masterpiece

---

FICTION

2) Backspacer is an absolute masterpiece

---

FACT

OK... I understand.... you are very wise and wordly :?

Ha Ha @ "Wordly". You're alright....even though you're wrong about Backspacer. See.....that's how PJ fans should behave.

redrock

imissyoualready wrote:

Ha Ha @ "Wordly". You're alright....even though you're wrong about Backspacer. See.....that's how PJ fans should behave.

See.. you're happy because you caught a typo... 'worldly'. Better?

Rollingstone123

Pitchfork is a website for pussies. They never supported Pearl Jam or Eddie and probably never will. They suck. The more attention you give them the more they will give shitty reviews instead of no review. Don't give their websites any hits.

Kat

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

What's confusing? Stop being a hater and she'll be nice to you...i've learned that lesson the hard way. :idea:

Now... I didn't see any 'hater' in Dunk's post. He didn't say the album was rubbish or give a poor review of it (which I think is the main theme of this thread). He just said he did not think it was an 'absolute masterpiece', nothing more. His opinion, just like Black10 gave his/hers, just like you gave yours. Lots of people don't think it's an absolute masterpiece or a classic, whilst still really liking the album.

He told someone who loves the album that they "allowed their fanaticism" to "cloud their judgment" and the album isn't a masterpiece.

I told him that the person was allowed to have their own opinion just as he was to have his own opinion.

If someone campaigns for the negative to change someone's mind about the music, it isn't ok. Pick THE bashing thread and communicate there. You are entitled to your opinion but the people who love the music (and they are in the majority) do not have to be subjected to the constant negativity from those who don't care for it. The people who love it have rights too.

Period...and I hope it helps but if it doesn't, don't do it anyway.

Admin

rebornFixer

JLevy423 wrote:

Pitchfork is a website for pussies. They never supported Pearl Jam or Eddie and probably never will. They suck. The more attention you give them the more they will give shitty reviews instead of no review. Don't give their websites any hits.

Pitchfork has this annoying arty vibe going on ... They think they are high end critics with extremely refined palettes. Uh huh.

decides2dream

redrock wrote:

Black10 wrote:

Well obviously everyone has there own opinion as to what a "masterpiece" is but for me its quite simple, as far as Backspacer goes anyways..

I listen to Backspacer from start to finish for 37 minutes. To me, it feels like those 37 minutes goes by in about 5 minutes. Thats how much enjoyment I get out of EVERY one of the songs. They fly by. There is not one song I skip over, like alot of other albums, and I fall in love with a different song every day. And when the second "The End" is done I cannot start the album over fast enough. To me, personally, that's my definition of a masterpiece.

So you can accept that Dunk's (and other's) opinion that Backspacer is NOT a masterpiece is just as valid as they may have different ideas as to what a masterpiece really is? Just as you are saying it's a masterpiece, are these people not allowed to say it isn't (whether one posting here or a reviewer) without being 'lynched'?

wise woman.


also, all this discussion of 'masterpiece'...yes, exactly....it is SUBJECTIVE. while, collectively, many may agree on what is a masterpiece, and thus win accolades, kudos.....there will still always be those who disagree, and you know what? they are NOT wrong! when it comes to things such as art....music......film....food......TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE. sure, there are all sorts of 'objective' barometers for judging 'greatness'...but again, that STILL is subjective, b/c it is all based on subjectivity, such as time/place, culture, etc.

christ, i like backspacer. i don't love it, but i like it. i love 2 songs for sure and enjoy more...but none the less, i still adore pearl jam and think they are one of the most amazing bands. ever. however, i don't have a snitfit over people who don't think that. :P also, i read the article in the OP, and while i disagree with most of it, i also see a few kernels of truth here or there....and yes, bottomline, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and critics are paid to share those. and so it goes and life goes on.......

megatron

Black10 wrote:

redrock wrote:

Black10 wrote:

It just chaps my ass a bit that someone can write such a negative review about an album that is an absolute masterpiece.

So.. how would you define 'absolute masterpiece'? What is your benchmark? What other albums would you consider an 'absolute masterpiece'?

Well obviously everyone has there own opinion as to what a "masterpiece" is but for me its quite simple, as far as Backspacer goes anyways..

I listen to Backspacer from start to finish for 37 minutes. To me, it feels like those 37 minutes goes by in about 5 minutes. Thats how much enjoyment I get out of EVERY one of the songs. They fly by. There is not one song I skip over, like alot of other albums, and I fall in love with a different song every day. And when the second "The End" is done I cannot start the album over fast enough. To me, personally, that's my definition of a masterpiece.

my only complaint was that it was too short. then i realized as you said, that i just enjoy it so much it seems to fly by. this cd makes me move. more everyday.
i like your take
rack him

dunkman

Kat wrote:

redrock wrote:

imissyoualready wrote:

What's confusing? Stop being a hater and she'll be nice to you...i've learned that lesson the hard way. :idea:

Now... I didn't see any 'hater' in Dunk's post. He didn't say the album was rubbish or give a poor review of it (which I think is the main theme of this thread). He just said he did not think it was an 'absolute masterpiece', nothing more. His opinion, just like Black10 gave his/hers, just like you gave yours. Lots of people don't think it's an absolute masterpiece or a classic, whilst still really liking the album.

He told someone who loves the album that they "allowed their fanaticism" to "cloud their judgment" and the album isn't a masterpiece.

I told him that the person was allowed to have their own opinion just as he was to have his own opinion.

we're all fanatics... its where the word 'fans' is derived from, ergo we all have a certain level of fanaticism to which we deal with. My opinion and viewpoint still stand and i believe to be still valid. The poster has just received a new album and as a result of being a PJ fanatic, like we all are, he has declared the album an 'absolute masterpiece'... well time will tell on that one, but i think it isnt. It's a very good album and it's PJ for gods sakes... its always good.. but IN MY OPINION it isnt a masterpiece. You pm'ing me to leave him alone was unwarranted. He had an opinion and i had mine? no nastiness or anything.

Yes you did pm me that last line above, but you also told me to leave him alone... and i have no idea why? I wasnt rude to him or picking on his opinion any more than anyone elses...

Kat wrote:

If someone campaigns for the negative to change someone's mind about the music, it isn't ok. Pick THE bashing thread and communicate there. You are entitled to your opinion but the people who love the music (and they are in the majority) do not have to be subjected to the constant negativity from those who don't care for it. The people who love it have rights too.

Period...and I hope it helps but if it doesn't, don't do it anyway.

Admin

"the constant negativity from those who don't care for it"... where in any of my posts on this or any thread did i say i didnt care for it or subject anyone to constant negativity? also ... at no time on this or any other thread have i said i don't love the music... far from it... i was using reasoned objectivity to counter the opinion of the poster who said it was 'an absolute masterpiece'... if all we want or allow on this forum is sycophantic hyperbole ... well "then you count me out.. in... " *

*copyright Lennon/McCartney

now that album is a masterpiece.

Kat

dunkman wrote:

Kat wrote:

He told someone who loves the album that they "allowed their fanaticism" to "cloud their judgment" and the album isn't a masterpiece.

I told him that the person was allowed to have their own opinion just as he was to have his own opinion.

we're all fanatics... its where the word 'fans' is derived from, ergo we all have a certain level of fanaticism to which we deal with. My opinion and viewpoint still stand and i believe to be still valid. The poster has just received a new album and as a result of being a PJ fanatic, like we all are, he has declared the album an 'absolute masterpiece'... well time will tell on that one, but i think it isnt. It's a very good album and it's PJ for gods sakes... its always good.. but IN MY OPINION it isnt a masterpiece. You pm'ing me to leave him alone was unwarranted. He had an opinion and i had mine? no nastiness or anything.

Yes you did pm me that last line above, but you also told me to leave him alone... and i have no idea why? I wasnt rude to him or picking on his opinion any more than anyone elses...

Kat wrote:

If someone campaigns for the negative to change someone's mind about the music, it isn't ok. Pick THE bashing thread and communicate there. You are entitled to your opinion but the people who love the music (and they are in the majority) do not have to be subjected to the constant negativity from those who don't care for it. The people who love it have rights too.

Period...and I hope it helps but if it doesn't, don't do it anyway.

Admin

"the constant negativity from those who don't care for it"... where in any of my posts on this or any thread did i say i didnt care for it or subject anyone to constant negativity? also ... at no time on this or any other thread have i said i don't love the music... far from it... i was using reasoned objectivity to counter the opinion of the poster who said it was 'an absolute masterpiece'... if all we want or allow on this forum is sycophantic hyperbole ... well "then you count me out.. in... " *

*copyright Lennon/McCartney

now that album is a masterpiece.

your quote above, edited: but IN HIS OPINION it is a masterpiece.

Leave him alone.

This isn't a debate, Dunk. Have a special day.

Admin

redrock

I don't want to get in trouble with Kat, but.....

If we are to respect each other's opinions on the album (which, as adults (?!?) we should), should we not have the same 'respect' for other people's opinions - those that are not on this board.

For example, is this:

danleri wrote:

honestly I can't stop laughing. the guy is totally delusional. this "review" is one of the biggest load of crap I have ever read. and I say this regardless of the fact that I am a PJ lover and 10C member. some people just shouldn't be allowed writing.

any worse than what Dunk said? I do understand that one may think that because danleri's post was directed at a non board member and an 'unknown' person, some may think it's OK to denigrate the reviewer and his opinions (whereas if one does this by posting in direct response to a board member, it's more personal) but respect is respect!

Just a thought. No need to debate.

Let's just accept some are of the opinion the album is a masterpiece, some are of the opinion it's damn good, some will say it's OK and some not like it. That's the way it is.

decides2dream

redrock wrote:

Let's just accept some are of the opinion the album is a masterpiece, some are of the opinion it's damn good, some will say it's OK and some not like it. That's the way it is.

and sure, that....it's ok...we love you anyway.......;)


as another thread title earlier suggested, 'i don't get' why people actually have to argue and get upset/angry over a differing opinion over art. this isn't world peace we're discussing here, but music. yes, i know music is important to all of us, but in the scheme of things, you loving/hating a song that i may have a differing opinion on......simply equals unimportant in the life meter.


let's just BREATHE........!



(btw i actually LOVE the discussions over the 'whys' someone likes, or dislikes a certain song, a film, foods, etc....i's just so damned interesting!....and outside of the crazy love, or hate, expressed about a certain new album...these past few days i've had more than few truly interesting convos over lyrics, interpretations, vocal delivery/phrasings, musical styles, etc)

imissyoualready

dunkman wrote:
Kat wrote:

He told someone who loves the album that they "allowed their fanaticism" to "cloud their judgment" and the album isn't a masterpiece.

I told him that the person was allowed to have their own opinion just as he was to have his own opinion.


we're all fanatics... its where the word 'fans' is derived from, ergo we all have a certain level of fanaticism to which we deal with. My opinion and viewpoint still stand and i believe to be still valid. The poster has just received a new album and as a result of being a PJ fanatic, like we all are, he has declared the album an 'absolute masterpiece'... well time will tell on that one, but i think it isnt. It's a very good album and it's PJ for gods sakes... its always good.. but IN MY OPINION it isnt a masterpiece. You pm'ing me to leave him alone was unwarranted. He had an opinion and i had mine? no nastiness or anything.

Yes you did pm me that last line above, but you also told me to leave him alone... and i have no idea why? I wasnt rude to him or picking on his opinion any more than anyone elses...



Kat wrote:
If someone campaigns for the negative to change someone's mind about the music, it isn't ok. Pick THE bashing thread and communicate there. You are entitled to your opinion but the people who love the music (and they are in the majority) do not have to be subjected to the constant negativity from those who don't care for it. The people who love it have rights too.

Period...and I hope it helps but if it doesn't, don't do it anyway.

Admin


"the constant negativity from those who don't care for it"... where in any of my posts on this or any thread did i say i didnt care for it or subject anyone to constant negativity? also ... at no time on this or any other thread have i said i don't love the music... far from it... i was using reasoned objectivity to counter the opinion of the poster who said it was 'an absolute masterpiece'... if all we want or allow on this forum is sycophantic hyperbole ... well "then you count me out.. in... " *

*copyright Lennon/McCartney

now that album is a masterpiece.



your quote above, edited: but IN HIS OPINION it is a masterpiece.

Leave him alone.

This isn't a debate, Dunk. Have a special day.

Admin

Kat, if we ever get married, can our first dance be to "Got Some"?

p.s. i say we invite dunkman

imissyoualready

"Amoungst the Waves" would be ok too.

imissyoualready

well i think this rabbit died.

NOyieldingCODE

so, us "negative" people need to contain ourselves to one thread, but everyone else can create tons and tons of threads about how much they love the album and how the rest of us need to shut up?

imissyoualready

NOyieldingCODE wrote:

so, us "negative" people need to contain ourselves to one thread, but everyone else can create tons and tons of threads about how much they love the album and how the rest of us need to shut up?

.....Yup....Pretty much.

imissyoualready

I'm kinda sad that all the arguing died down here. But i guess it's for the best.