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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
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  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Where again does the band say this? Didn't Stone even mention not caring too much about it and being shocked that it wasn't leaked in July?

    If you can source me a statement by the band and curtis management than says they are OK with obtaining their music before the release date and downloading it as many times as one likes I'll concede.
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    SolarWorld wrote:
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:

    No where in that statement by Trent does it say he condones stealing people's music. If an artist wants to give it away for free that is their choice. How do you make the jump from "new bands should give away music" to "im going to steal Pearl Jam's album because..."

    He even seems to agree with established bands *gasp* selling their music.


    How do you make the jump from 'listening to an album I've already purchased (numerous times), earlier than store release dates -to- STEALING?

    You are taking something from the band before they want you to have it. This argument is so flawed. If I go and purchase a car but they tell me I have to wait. Do I then think it's ok to steal one off the showroom floor? JUST WAIT. Why cant you wait? Why cant you respect the band's wishes? WHY? It seems to come down to one thing. Selfishness.


    If you don't realize that example completely misrepresents this situation, I don't think I can have a dialogue with you anymore. Cookoo.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    SolarWorld wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Where again does the band say this? Didn't Stone even mention not caring too much about it and being shocked that it wasn't leaked in July?

    If you can source me a statement by the band and curtis management than says they are OK with obtaining their music before the release date and downloading it as many times as one likes I'll concede.

    You find me one showing them saying that it is not okay...and I'll concede as well.
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Im not asking people to have my morals, Im asking people the respect the bands wishes. If you call yourself a fan I think their should be some level of respect there. If you respect people you shouldn't take from them. It's pretty simple.

    I've never spoken to the band members personally, but I'm betting they are just as realistic about this situation as Reznor is - why else would they put so much effort into their merchandise? Plus didn't Ed steal a record from a store when he was younger? I swear I read that somewhere......
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    facepollution wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Sure I "get" that, but it's completely selfish. If you are a fan of something I assume you respect the artist or at least the art. But then you are going to give the ol middle finger to the respect (your respect for that matter) and take something you shouldn't be. It's pure hypocrisy. There is no justification for it. It's just wrong. We are going in circles here. I just don't agree with it and that's that.

    Well then, I think you either need to find a bit of objectivity, or maybe turn a blind eye to these debates, rather than arguing the finer detail, because it keeps coming back to a moral issue of respect to you - which is not objective. What Trent Reznor, and myself for that matter, are doing, is living in the real world. Trent managed to make millions from physical sales of The Slip - an album that to this day, is still available for free on NIN's site. So at the end of the day, if the band makes the money some way, the picture isn't quite as bleak as you paint it.

    This isnt about money out of Pearl Jam's pocket. It's about mutual respect. The members of this band are pretty respectful to their fans, we should respect how they want to release and distribute THEIR music.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    ledvedderman wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Where again does the band say this? Didn't Stone even mention not caring too much about it and being shocked that it wasn't leaked in July?

    If you can source me a statement by the band and curtis management than says they are OK with obtaining their music before the release date and downloading it as many times as one likes I'll concede.

    You find me one showing them saying that it is not okay...and I'll concede as well.

    10. Please respect an artist's copyright. Linking to or otherwise promoting stolen art is prohibited. If an artist's work is leaked online, don't post it here and please be careful when posting other people's images in posts.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    edited September 2009
    So...don't post links here. We got that. No serious poster is dumb enough to do that.

    Not sure if you've been around since Yield or not, but when an album leaks...we get to talk about it. It was off limits the first couple records, but they don't go around deleting threads talking about how awesome "Just Breathe" is
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    SolarWorld wrote:
    This isnt about money out of Pearl Jam's pocket. It's about mutual respect. The members of this band are pretty respectful to their fans, we should respect how they want to release and distribute THEIR music.

    And yet we're back to the moral story.....for all you know, they might have wanted to have it out there earlier, but they have the constraints of a record label etc. Personally speaking, they might not care at all - you don't know any better than I do.
  • Gmoney
    Gmoney Posts: 1,618
    I can't believe this argument jumped threads...
    Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Anyone remember the article from Stone from early August about it leaking in July?
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  • Happy Jack
    Happy Jack Posts: 207
    the bottom line is..ive spent more money on pearl jam than i have anything else in my entire life...if i want to listen to an album that I will buy more than one copy of i dont need to justify it to some uppity poster on this forum..end of story.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    facepollution wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Sure I "get" that, but it's completely selfish. If you are a fan of something I assume you respect the artist or at least the art. But then you are going to give the ol middle finger to the respect (your respect for that matter) and take something you shouldn't be. It's pure hypocrisy. There is no justification for it. It's just wrong. We are going in circles here. I just don't agree with it and that's that.

    Well then, I think you either need to find a bit of objectivity, or maybe turn a blind eye to these debates, rather than arguing the finer detail, because it keeps coming back to a moral issue of respect to you - which is not objective. What Trent Reznor, and myself for that matter, are doing, is living in the real world. Trent managed to make millions from physical sales of The Slip - an album that to this day, is still available for free on NIN's site. So at the end of the day, if the band makes the money some way, the picture isn't quite as bleak as you paint it.

    im pretty sure Trent has fuck all to do with pearl Jam right?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    On album leaks: I’m surprised it hasn’t leaked yet. That’s the shock. You don’t want to have people hearing a leaked version as a first source. It’s inevitable that those things happen. I don’t spend much time stressing about it. - stone

    http://www.twofeetthick.com/2009/07/stone-on-the-phone/
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    When the band is ready to release their music, they will. It's completely up to them because, honestly, it's their music. They wrote it, they own it, they decide.

    You write & record music, you own it, you decide.

    That's it...it's easy.

    It won't be long now...release day is coming...can't wait to enjoy it with you all.

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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    facepollution wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Im not asking people to have my morals, Im asking people the respect the bands wishes. If you call yourself a fan I think their should be some level of respect there. If you respect people you shouldn't take from them. It's pretty simple.

    I've never spoken to the band members personally, but I'm betting they are just as realistic about this situation as Reznor is - why else would they put so much effort into their merchandise? Plus didn't Ed steal a record from a store when he was younger? I swear I read that somewhere......

    take it you didn't see the 2009 tour merch?
  • rival.
    rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    leak is such a foul word.
  • i shit and i stink
    i shit and i stink Posts: 1,122
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Anyone remember the article from Stone from early August about it leaking in July?

    It was an interview, I believe the one he did with the radio station in Philly. I remember he said that leaking was inevitable nowadays and seemed quite unmoved by the idea of it happening. It is on the sticky thread on the boards front page.

    I'll wait for the 20th regardless, I'm not so impatient that I can't hold out a few days and I wanna have the beautiful packing in my hand and smell it and run home excited about sticking it in the player.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    norm wrote:
    On album leaks: I’m surprised it hasn’t leaked yet. That’s the shock. You don’t want to have people hearing a leaked version as a first source. It’s inevitable that those things happen. I don’t spend much time stressing about it. - stone

    http://www.twofeetthick.com/2009/07/stone-on-the-phone/

    I agree with Stone. Personally, I would love to have the strength to wait...but I don't. It's there slapping me all over the face how great the album is...I'm going to want to listen to it. I'd love to have my first listen be on the vinyl...but I'm weak. That doesn't make me a bad fan or "stealing" from the band. It means I'm fucking weak. Good find Norm.
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    pdalowsky wrote:
    im pretty sure Trent has fuck all to do with pearl Jam right?

    Well he is in a very similar position to them being from the same generation, they share a lot of the same fan base. They've also both recognised that record sales alone are not going to sustain ANY band, and have thus decided to leave the traditionl model behind and have chosen to evolve. This approach has rewarded them both richly. Both acts are still able to sell out arenas around the world and have loyal fan bases.

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