How about you all respect the bands wishes and just wait? Where does your sense of entitlement come from?
Trying to remember what track six from the Oasis album "Dig Out Your Soul" was called???
are you saying the poster here doesnt have a point?
please no. this argument took place yesterday at length. stealing music is wrong, we all know that, in fact id be out of a job if people illegally downloaded all their music (or id have a lot more money if they didn't) But pj fans on this board do not treat a leaked version as their copy of Backspacer. It is simply a means to get to the release day and then purchase the actual album. Listen, I wrote my graduate thesis on file sharings negative impact on the music industry, but if it leaked today I'd be all over it!!
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
I'm saying I've shelved out close to $40 for this album already. When the Target version is available, I will be buying that one as well. So, as far as "stealing" from the band or "going against their wishes", I think your energy is better spent aiming that at people who won't be buying the album at all and will download it for free. Good luck finding any of those people here.
I'm saying I've shelved out close to $40 for this album already. When the Target version is available, I will be buying that one as well. So, as far as "stealing" from the band or "going against their wishes", I think your energy is better spent aiming that at people who won't be buying the album at all and will download it for free. Good luck finding any of those people here.
Didn't Solar say he/she was done with this subject yesterday? :?
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Actually, at this point I'm not sure I would download a possible leak. We're only about 2 weeks away and that time will fly by! I might as well wait for the whole package. Plus, I've already heard almost half the album in one form or other so that should tide me over.
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I'm saying I've shelved out close to $40 for this album already. When the Target version is available, I will be buying that one as well. So, as far as "stealing" from the band or "going against their wishes", I think your energy is better spent aiming that at people who won't be buying the album at all and will download it for free. Good luck finding any of those people here.
Didn't Solar say he/she was done with this subject yesterday? :?
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I'm glad it hasn't leaked yet. And, if it does, at this point I can definitely hold out. I listened to the amazon samplers a few times and that was enough. A few more weeks is no big deal. I've just dived into bootlegs in the meantime. How great was their sound in 2000?
On a related note, I'm really surprised at the lack of publicity for the new album. Only a few interviews so far, not much press. Have they been advertising on any websites? Seems really strange that they'd be putting out a poppier album and not doing much to publicize it. I barely hear The Fixer on NYC radio. I think 101.9 WRXP is the only station that plays it around here and its not getting much airplay.
I'm saying I've shelved out close to $40 for this album already. When the Target version is available, I will be buying that one as well. So, as far as "stealing" from the band or "going against their wishes", I think your energy is better spent aiming that at people who won't be buying the album at all and will download it for free. Good luck finding any of those people here.
Give yourself a pat on the back for buying it.
The fact you seem to think that this means you should hear it early or its ok to do so it plain old nonsense and you know it. Otherwise they might as well have made it available digitally at the time of order once the payment was processed. The fact they didnt clearly suggests they would hope you would have the decency to wait for release day.
Its apparent we are not gonna agree on this, and if this was discussed yesterday ...thats great....we're discussing it again.
And if you are so disillusioned as to the purity of this board then thats another thing.
I'm saying I've shelved out close to $40 for this album already. When the Target version is available, I will be buying that one as well. So, as far as "stealing" from the band or "going against their wishes", I think your energy is better spent aiming that at people who won't be buying the album at all and will download it for free. Good luck finding any of those people here.
Give yourself a pat on the back for buying it.
The fact you seem to think that this means you should hear it early or its ok to do so it plain old nonsense and you know it. Otherwise they might as well have made it available digitally at the time of order once the payment was processed. The fact they didnt clearly suggests they would hope you would have the decency to wait for release day.
Its apparent we are not gonna agree on this, and if this was discussed yesterday ...thats great....we're discussing it again.
And if you are so disillusioned as to the purity of this board then thats another thing.
Give yourself a pat on the back for being more moral than I. It's not that I SHOULD be able to hear it. If the band had wanted to avoid a leak, they should have taken your advice. There's ways to avoid it and so far it is working. However, the problem doesn't really come from leaks...it comes from people who download it for free when it is available at their local Target for purchase.
On a related note, I'm really surprised at the lack of publicity for the new album. Only a few interviews so far, not much press. Have they been advertising on any websites? Seems really strange that they'd be putting out a poppier album and not doing much to publicize it. I barely hear The Fixer on NYC radio. I think 101.9 WRXP is the only station that plays it around here and its not getting much airplay.
I've seen a lot of promotion. It is probably spotty based on where you are and what media outlets you are exposed to. I flew Southwest Airlines and even saw a spread in their magazine. Within the 1st few pages. ESPN is promoting them too. A somewhat unlikely source. It (Fixer) is on Billboard Rock Songs chart at position #2. Been in position 2 or 3 since the release of Fixer.
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On a related note, I'm really surprised at the lack of publicity for the new album. Only a few interviews so far, not much press. Have they been advertising on any websites? Seems really strange that they'd be putting out a poppier album and not doing much to publicize it. I barely hear The Fixer on NYC radio. I think 101.9 WRXP is the only station that plays it around here and its not getting much airplay.
I've seen a lot of promotion. It is probably spotty based on where you are and what media outlets you are exposed to. I flew Southwest Airlines and even saw a spread in their magazine. Within the 1st few pages. ESPN is promoting them too. A somewhat unlikely source. It (Fixer) is on Billboard Rock Songs chart at position #2. Been in position 2 or 3 since the release of Fixer.
I think we're just now entering the promotion phase for the album. It's coming and I think it could be a tidal wave of PR we're in for.
I'm saying I've shelved out close to $40 for this album already. When the Target version is available, I will be buying that one as well. So, as far as "stealing" from the band or "going against their wishes", I think your energy is better spent aiming that at people who won't be buying the album at all and will download it for free. Good luck finding any of those people here.
Give yourself a pat on the back for buying it.
The fact you seem to think that this means you should hear it early or its ok to do so it plain old nonsense and you know it. Otherwise they might as well have made it available digitally at the time of order once the payment was processed. The fact they didnt clearly suggests they would hope you would have the decency to wait for release day.
Its apparent we are not gonna agree on this, and if this was discussed yesterday ...thats great....we're discussing it again.
And if you are so disillusioned as to the purity of this board then thats another thing.
Give yourself a pat on the back for being more moral than I. It's not that I SHOULD be able to hear it. If the band had wanted to avoid a leak, they should have taken your advice. There's ways to avoid it and so far it is working. However, the problem doesn't really come from leaks...it comes from people who download it for free when it is available at their local Target for purchase.
Morals dont really come into it for me, its a respect issue.
Of course this kind of thing may not hurt PJ so much through their ability to generate vast tour receipts, but its critical to the little guys survival.
I dont wish to get into an argument with you, I was just saying your notion that you saw no problem in having it early because you'd already bought it was nonsense.
The filesharing after release is a different matter. Thats nigh on impossible to control. But perhaps the people who do this are mostly people who wouldnt have bought the album anyway? even if the internet didnt permit they'd spend 10 cents on a blank cd and burn it through nero. There is no answer currently and I doubt there ever will be.
The filesharing after release is a different matter. Thats nigh on impossible to control. But perhaps the people who do this are mostly people who wouldnt have bought the album anyway? even if the internet didnt permit they'd spend 10 cents on a blank cd and burn it through nero. There is no answer currently and I doubt there ever will be.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
However, my argument would be that if you don't know a band or are not a fan and you download their music, you might like that album and come to respect the band and then you might buy the next album, go to a concert, buy a t-shirt or whatever. File sharing is still exposure to fans that bands need, even if the money generated by it is a byproduct. For example, friends have given me copies of bands I never knew and through that illicit copy I've gone out and bought more of their stuff or gone to see them live.
The sharing issue for me is unrelated to a leak, people who fileshare will do so later, the leak is only for geeks like us. I just think that if you love a band so much and wait so long for them to release a record, you should trust their integrity about how they would like you to be first exposed to that record and when.
Also, it's kinda annoying when stuff is leaked and people are discussing it before others have heard it.
The filesharing after release is a different matter. Thats nigh on impossible to control. But perhaps the people who do this are mostly people who wouldnt have bought the album anyway? even if the internet didnt permit they'd spend 10 cents on a blank cd and burn it through nero. There is no answer currently and I doubt there ever will be.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
However, my argument would be that if you don't know a band or are not a fan and you download their music, you might like that album and come to respect the band and then you might buy the next album, go to a concert, buy a t-shirt or whatever. File sharing is still exposure to fans that bands need, even if the money generated by it is a byproduct. For example, friends have given me copies of bands I never knew and through that illicit copy I've gone out and bought more of their stuff or gone to see them live.
The sharing issue for me is unrelated to a leak, people who fileshare will do so later, the leak is only for geeks like us. I just think that if you love a band so much and wait so long for them to release a record, you should trust their integrity about how they would like you to be first exposed to that record and when.
Also, it's kinda annoying when stuff is leaked and people are discussing it before others have heard it.
and the artic monkeys are the perfect example of what you say
Actually, at this point I'm not sure I would download a possible leak. We're only about 2 weeks away and that time will fly by! I might as well wait for the whole package. Plus, I've already heard almost half the album in one form or other so that should tide me over.
Yeah, I don't want to hear any more until is comes out.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
Agreed.
I've been looking for a leak for a while, & if I find one, I won't hesitate to download it and listen to it.
And I'd share it with people here, because I know that they, like me, will also buy Backspacer when it comes out.
everyone comments on downloading a record immediately upon its release, which is what a previous poster talked about, but few talk about the moral and ethical views of a friend buying the new Grizzly Bear and then burning a copy of it for you. Isnt that stealing as well. I think that seems to be swept under the rug, whereas going on a torrent site is seen as morally reprehensible by some. Further, you have libraries that carry cds. Dont you think a large amount of people, probably, borrow those cd's and copy them?
Yet you dont see musicians, labels, or others going after libraries for those patrons who copy the libraries cd's, yu dont see the RIAA going after little Johnny, whose friend Greg bought the Bright Eyes disc and then copied it for Johnny.
Why is one seen as illegal and the other not?
One must understand that at one time vcr's were considered bad by tv execs because people could tape shows.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
However, my argument would be that if you don't know a band or are not a fan and you download their music, you might like that album and come to respect the band and then you might buy the next album, go to a concert, buy a t-shirt or whatever. File sharing is still exposure to fans that bands need, even if the money generated by it is a byproduct. For example, friends have given me copies of bands I never knew and through that illicit copy I've gone out and bought more of their stuff or gone to see them live.
The sharing issue for me is unrelated to a leak, people who fileshare will do so later, the leak is only for geeks like us. I just think that if you love a band so much and wait so long for them to release a record, you should trust their integrity about how they would like you to be first exposed to that record and when.
Also, it's kinda annoying when stuff is leaked and people are discussing it before others have heard it.[/quote]
Yeah I disagree. The way to support a band is to spread the word, tell friends, family and whoever, about the band. its also supportive to buy merch. T shirts, key chains, posters, whatever. Additionally buying concert tickets is another way. To suggest only those who buy physical cd's are real fans of bands, and only those who buy cd's are lining the pockets of the band, is to express extreme ignorance of the working of the modern music model.
In terms of it being more profitable, the merchendice aspect is more profitable for the band. The t-shirt you buy of your favorite band, most of that cash goes directly to the band. Same with concert ticket sales. As far as the cd, most of the profit of that goes to the record label.
someone talked about how its annoying for others to be talking about an album that has leaked, because people may not have heard it yet. Thats what made In Rainbows so unique and odd. For the first time in year, and the only time since, you had a record that was highly anticipated, and was by one of the biggest bands in the world, and no one heard it until WASTE sent you that link for the download. You can go check out the archives of blogs like Stereogum or Rolling Stone, for October 10th 2007, and you have people posting their opinions song by song, as they are listening. Pretty interesting stuff.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
Agreed.
I've been looking for a leak for a while, & if I find one, I won't hesitate to download it and listen to it.
And I'd share it with people here, because I know that they, like me, will also buy Backspacer when it comes out.
Later on in that post I did say that sharing is not the same issue as a leak. We have to disagree regarding the leak, I'm afraid.
I think it's just wonderful that it hasn't leaked. I mean really. Band decides when it will be available and that's it. People are just too used to albums leaking out via internet way before they should be.
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I think it's just wonderful that it hasn't leaked. I mean really. Band decides when it will be available and that's it. People are just too used to albums leaking out via internet way before they should be.
See I watched an interview with Thom and Ed from Radiohead, and they said they absolutely hated the wait between finishing up an album and when it gets released. I doubt a band with a record label (PJ are still signed outside of the US) could just put it out there whenever. They would need to respect the various partners they have and their decision on release schedules etc - but they might not be bothered either way themselves.
What if a band member asked you not to download their music? Id really like some of you to show up to Flight to Mars next year and tell Mike about how you think it's ok to download his music. Tell him how you pre ordered 10 copies and that makes you feel entitled to his hard work before everyone else. But then go ahead and tell him how much you respect him and Pearl Jam's music in the same breath.
Everyone here justifying this is all about "Me Me Me", "I pre-ordered" "Im a super fan". You are not entitled to someone's hard work before they release it because you pre-ordered. That is not reality of the rational, its the thought process of a spoiled child.
Everyone here justifying this is all about "Me Me Me", "I pre-ordered" "Im a super fan". You are not entitled to someone's hard work before they release it because you pre-ordered. That is not reality of the rational, its the thought process of a spoiled child.
If you want to talk about 'reality', the reality is that the view you are putting forward is completely null and void becuase it won't stop people from downloading. Surely it's better to make the best of a bad situation?
However, my argument would be that if you don't know a band or are not a fan and you download their music, you might like that album and come to respect the band and then you might buy the next album, go to a concert, buy a t-shirt or whatever. File sharing is still exposure to fans that bands need, even if the money generated by it is a byproduct. For example, friends have given me copies of bands I never knew and through that illicit copy I've gone out and bought more of their stuff or gone to see them live.
Bands have many ways to allow people to hear their music online. My Space, Facebook and bands web pages are just a couple examples. Your argument is flawed because of this. Bands don't want their hard work stolen to get popular. Your one example of being given a piece of music cannot be your only justification for stealing all your music. Please tell me the last time you went to look for some illicit music and "browsed" for something new to listen to. People dont come to torrent sites and others to browse for music, they already know what they are looking for.
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are you saying the poster here doesnt have a point?
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Didn't Solar say he/she was done with this subject yesterday? :?
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On a related note, I'm really surprised at the lack of publicity for the new album. Only a few interviews so far, not much press. Have they been advertising on any websites? Seems really strange that they'd be putting out a poppier album and not doing much to publicize it. I barely hear The Fixer on NYC radio. I think 101.9 WRXP is the only station that plays it around here and its not getting much airplay.
Give yourself a pat on the back for buying it.
The fact you seem to think that this means you should hear it early or its ok to do so it plain old nonsense and you know it. Otherwise they might as well have made it available digitally at the time of order once the payment was processed. The fact they didnt clearly suggests they would hope you would have the decency to wait for release day.
Its apparent we are not gonna agree on this, and if this was discussed yesterday ...thats great....we're discussing it again.
And if you are so disillusioned as to the purity of this board then thats another thing.
Give yourself a pat on the back for being more moral than I. It's not that I SHOULD be able to hear it. If the band had wanted to avoid a leak, they should have taken your advice. There's ways to avoid it and so far it is working. However, the problem doesn't really come from leaks...it comes from people who download it for free when it is available at their local Target for purchase.
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I've seen a lot of promotion. It is probably spotty based on where you are and what media outlets you are exposed to. I flew Southwest Airlines and even saw a spread in their magazine. Within the 1st few pages. ESPN is promoting them too. A somewhat unlikely source. It (Fixer) is on Billboard Rock Songs chart at position #2. Been in position 2 or 3 since the release of Fixer.
I think we're just now entering the promotion phase for the album. It's coming and I think it could be a tidal wave of PR we're in for.
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Morals dont really come into it for me, its a respect issue.
Of course this kind of thing may not hurt PJ so much through their ability to generate vast tour receipts, but its critical to the little guys survival.
I dont wish to get into an argument with you, I was just saying your notion that you saw no problem in having it early because you'd already bought it was nonsense.
The filesharing after release is a different matter. Thats nigh on impossible to control. But perhaps the people who do this are mostly people who wouldnt have bought the album anyway? even if the internet didnt permit they'd spend 10 cents on a blank cd and burn it through nero. There is no answer currently and I doubt there ever will be.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
However, my argument would be that if you don't know a band or are not a fan and you download their music, you might like that album and come to respect the band and then you might buy the next album, go to a concert, buy a t-shirt or whatever. File sharing is still exposure to fans that bands need, even if the money generated by it is a byproduct. For example, friends have given me copies of bands I never knew and through that illicit copy I've gone out and bought more of their stuff or gone to see them live.
The sharing issue for me is unrelated to a leak, people who fileshare will do so later, the leak is only for geeks like us. I just think that if you love a band so much and wait so long for them to release a record, you should trust their integrity about how they would like you to be first exposed to that record and when.
Also, it's kinda annoying when stuff is leaked and people are discussing it before others have heard it.
and the artic monkeys are the perfect example of what you say
Yeah, I don't want to hear any more until is comes out.
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Agreed.
I've been looking for a leak for a while, & if I find one, I won't hesitate to download it and listen to it.
And I'd share it with people here, because I know that they, like me, will also buy Backspacer when it comes out.
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Yet you dont see musicians, labels, or others going after libraries for those patrons who copy the libraries cd's, yu dont see the RIAA going after little Johnny, whose friend Greg bought the Bright Eyes disc and then copied it for Johnny.
Why is one seen as illegal and the other not?
One must understand that at one time vcr's were considered bad by tv execs because people could tape shows.
I'm not sure that this is as damaging to groups as people believe it is. Let's face it, if you like and respect a group you are going to buy their music, anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that the only way to keep good bands making music is to line their pockets and reward them for their work by buying the product.
However, my argument would be that if you don't know a band or are not a fan and you download their music, you might like that album and come to respect the band and then you might buy the next album, go to a concert, buy a t-shirt or whatever. File sharing is still exposure to fans that bands need, even if the money generated by it is a byproduct. For example, friends have given me copies of bands I never knew and through that illicit copy I've gone out and bought more of their stuff or gone to see them live.
The sharing issue for me is unrelated to a leak, people who fileshare will do so later, the leak is only for geeks like us. I just think that if you love a band so much and wait so long for them to release a record, you should trust their integrity about how they would like you to be first exposed to that record and when.
Also, it's kinda annoying when stuff is leaked and people are discussing it before others have heard it.[/quote]
Yeah I disagree. The way to support a band is to spread the word, tell friends, family and whoever, about the band. its also supportive to buy merch. T shirts, key chains, posters, whatever. Additionally buying concert tickets is another way. To suggest only those who buy physical cd's are real fans of bands, and only those who buy cd's are lining the pockets of the band, is to express extreme ignorance of the working of the modern music model.
In terms of it being more profitable, the merchendice aspect is more profitable for the band. The t-shirt you buy of your favorite band, most of that cash goes directly to the band. Same with concert ticket sales. As far as the cd, most of the profit of that goes to the record label.
Because half the threads on 10C are titled...
"I just can't believe..."
"You know I love..."
"I absolutely HATE..."
etc.
Then you open it and someone is either talking about the colour of their cat's eyes or the new album, you never know until you open it.
Either way, no leak for me. Over and out.
Later on in that post I did say that sharing is not the same issue as a leak. We have to disagree regarding the leak, I'm afraid.
surely to post an opinion? Or was your question too easy to be true?
Soundgarden - 1996-10-15
Pearl Jam - 2000-06-30
Fugazi - 2000-10-10
The Mars Volta - 2003-03-24
See I watched an interview with Thom and Ed from Radiohead, and they said they absolutely hated the wait between finishing up an album and when it gets released. I doubt a band with a record label (PJ are still signed outside of the US) could just put it out there whenever. They would need to respect the various partners they have and their decision on release schedules etc - but they might not be bothered either way themselves.
Everyone here justifying this is all about "Me Me Me", "I pre-ordered" "Im a super fan". You are not entitled to someone's hard work before they release it because you pre-ordered. That is not reality of the rational, its the thought process of a spoiled child.
If you want to talk about 'reality', the reality is that the view you are putting forward is completely null and void becuase it won't stop people from downloading. Surely it's better to make the best of a bad situation?
Bands have many ways to allow people to hear their music online. My Space, Facebook and bands web pages are just a couple examples. Your argument is flawed because of this. Bands don't want their hard work stolen to get popular. Your one example of being given a piece of music cannot be your only justification for stealing all your music. Please tell me the last time you went to look for some illicit music and "browsed" for something new to listen to. People dont come to torrent sites and others to browse for music, they already know what they are looking for.