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  • Posts: 7,762
    PearlJain wrote:

    Keep in mind - if she is to become a future president - she will be YOUR president, too. I have to "endure" Obama as well. (Like we all endured Bush..and BUSH was GREAT the first FOUR years, IMO) And Obama is now MY president, too. And I exercise my rights to question his motives - like you all did with GW.

    Sooooo...where'd Bush go wrong then in your mind?
  • Posts: 565

    Sooooo...where'd Bush go wrong then in your mind?

    Ummmm- in all honesty - it's kinda hard to "pinpoint" the exact thing. I think Bush was the right President for 9-11. I shudder to think what Obama would have done.......but that's just a "hypothetical" scenerio. I think Bush got kind of lazy - especially his last year or two. But in all honesty I'm not "into" the Obama" "Apology Tour." And I still believe in the "American Dream" - while it lasts.
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated - Gandhi

    "Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
  • Posts: 11,175
    Bush went wrong when we went into Iraq. I am 100% for the war in Afghanistan.
  • Posts: 7,762
    We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
  • Posts: 169
    weenie wrote:

    I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
    She might have been "pushed on" to McCain, but at McCain's age and with his status, he could have pushed right back. If he allowed her to be "pushed on" him, then was he really fit for the presidency? As a man who would be president, you'd think he'd be the one doing the pushing, not the one getting pushed.
  • Posts: 169
    edited July 2009
    It makes sense that she's running for president in 2012. If the country is in the toilet and ready for "change" once again, what better way to bring it than with a woman? More shiny new wrapping paper over a big bag of bullshit. Just like there is no (positive) change between Bush and Obama, there won't be any with Palin. She's in the pocket of the same people that brought you our last X number of presidents.

    Well, being a woman didn't bring in the vote the first time the Republicans trotted her out; it'll bring even fewer people out the second time. They will have seen it before...and plenty, between 2008 and the election. Being Black, being a woman, being Irish, being a guy you'd want to have a beer with...none of it is enough at this point. Once bitten, twice shy.
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  • Posts: 7,762
    I'm not sold on the argument that she was "pushed" on McCain. I think that when Obama went with Biden, no one was sure how the Dems were going to react. The Hillary backers were still quite bitter. It might have been worth the gamble to try and lure some of them with a woman, but a far right woman was not going to be the answer. If they picked a moderate woman, you might have been able to pick away at the Clinton supporters a bit.

    I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.

    As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.
  • Posts: 13,202
    JB811 wrote:

    .......fodder for late night comedic monologues.

    I didn't vote for McCain nor did I vote for Obama, because I don't like any of the four that were represented in those camps. I just think the attacks on her and her family are unjustified. It doesn't mean that I am voting for her.

    Unjustified? Jesus Christ man, what WOULD be justified? The woman made Dubya look like a Rhodes scholar. Her bullshit about Alaska's proximity to Russia qualifying her to lead the most powerful nation in the world in a time of international unrest? That's worse than some of the bullshit I've tried to spin to get my jobs!
  • Posts: 169
    PearlJain wrote:

    I admit that the day McCain introduced Sarah as his "running-mate" that he "jumped the shark." I don't know what he was thinking. He should have chosen someone else - because she had a real shot in the future. I feel like McCain's entire campaign workers were against here - and threw her under the bus. I personally support her and will continue to do so. I like her. Even though I'm a vegetarian - Sarah at least has what it takes to shoot her own plate of animal. Unlike Obama - whom continues to allow others to do his dirty work for him (while he "preens" in the mirror). I can't stand the "Palin-bashing."

    Stolen, but true, no person who continually paints themselves a victim has won the presidency. Sarah gets bashed because she takes the bait at every turn. I generally dislike what conservative Jonah Goldberg has to say, but in his recent column, "Palin Should Quit Whining, Crack the Books for 2012," he gets it right. He says, "Politics is ultimately about persuasion, and you (Sarah) seem entirely uninterested in that, preferring instead to play the victim. Well, victims don't get elected president." She gets bashed for several reasons, one is that she deserves scrutiny and she interprets it as bashing. Another is that she's like the kid in the classroom the others always like to pick on. They like to watch the fireworks. Can they make her cry again? Scream? Turn colors??? Get her to quit the drill team????? And God only knows, Palin likes to give an amazing show. To every stimulus, a technicolor response. Politically speaking, when pushed she cries, screams, turns colors and holds her breath and kicks. It sells papers; it gets people to write into the political section of this and other boards. Her charisma boils down to her ability to bring out the protective parents who want to comfort the poor little dear who always gets the short end of the stick (even though special orders short sticks), as well as all the sneaky 15-year-olds at heart who high five one another every time the get a rise out of her (and her protectors)--which is guaranteed to be virtually always. If she'd stop acting like a victim, people would little by little stop treating her like one as they start to see her as something other than fun at her expense, although she will never hold the respect that someone who never acted like a victim will hold. How far would Obama have gotten if every knock he got he whined, "Pity poor me, I'm so Black/interracial/a man!" People would have said, "Pity poor us! You're running for president????" But he didn't. He did the opposite, making most people think, this guy is unflappable and tough...like a leader ought to be. Sarah should hold her pity parties at home; holding them in public makes people want to puke...usually on her.

    From Fox News! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/0 ... 26370.html
  • Posts: 565
    We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.

    You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated - Gandhi

    "Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
  • Posts: 565
    I'm not sold on the argument that she was "pushed" on McCain. I think that when Obama went with Biden, no one was sure how the Dems were going to react. The Hillary backers were still quite bitter. It might have been worth the gamble to try and lure some of them with a woman, but a far right woman was not going to be the answer. If they picked a moderate woman, you might have been able to pick away at the Clinton supporters a bit.

    I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.

    As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.

    This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated - Gandhi

    "Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
  • Posts: 13,202
    PearlJain wrote:

    You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.

    It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?
  • Posts: 13,202
    PearlJain wrote:

    This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her

    I don't smoke weed, drink, or do any drugs. I cleaned up my act several years ago. I sure as hell wouldn't go around the country saying that all alcoholics should be thrown in prison for life and then whine when people pointed out that I should have gone to prison as well under those criteria. Likewise, Palin shouldn't race around the country preaching the effectiveness of abstinence only sex ed and then whine that people point out it didn't even work for her own family.

    And I sure as hell wouldn't go on national tv and say that since I grew up a mere hour from Windsor Canada and occasionally went there to drink or gamble that that makes me qualified to negotiate with Iran or Korea, as Palin did.
  • Posts: 7,762

    It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?

    That's what I am wondering too...
  • Posts: 13,559
    really ... i just spent 5 mins trying to figure out how to say what i want to say without offending the red, white and blue on here ... and i just can't ... so, i'll just say that i hope sarah palin does not run for president ...
  • Posts: 6,363

    That's what I am wondering too...
    I think it means...you won the debate.
  • Posts: 31,146
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I think it means...you won the debate.

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    PearlJain wrote:

    You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.

    if you think that america has no reason to apologize for the way we have treated other countries and bullied them under bush then you are "an IGNORANT individual." i love my country, but i am just as quick to recognize and acknowledge its shortcomings as i am to brag about its accomplishments. it is called being analytical and a critical thinker. do you ever wonder why we are so hated? believe me, it ain't because of our freedom. i do not have the "america fuck yeah rah rah rah" attitude that so many on the right have. i tend to be a little more modest i guess. bravado and cowboy diplomacy gets you nowhere. a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236

    if you think that america has no reason to apologize for the way we have treated other countries and bullied them under bush then you are "an IGNORANT individual." i love my country, but i am just as quick to recognize and acknowledge its shortcomings as i am to brag about its accomplishments. it is called being analytical and a critical thinker. do you ever wonder why we are so hated? believe me, it ain't because of our freedom. i do not have the "america fuck yeah rah rah rah" attitude that so many on the right have. i tend to be a little more modest i guess. bravado and cowboy diplomacy gets you nowhere. a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.

    I agree

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    PearlJain wrote:

    This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her

    A tough guy !! :o:lol:

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