If it isn't hate it is fear because the left views her as a serious threat, which if that were the case it would explain why so many are intent with attacking her. Personally I don't pay any mind to someone that isn't worthy of my time, and candidates who are running against one that I choose that have no chance of winning don't get much attention.
I feel the attacks on her are way overdone and unjustified. And to be really honest I wouldn't vote for her anyway, not because of what she has or has not done but because I'm looking for someone else to step up.
I do think Democrats are overreacting to her; she still feels like a fear-inducing threat, but people more level-headed than myself on her probably have it right:
The attacks on her I don't believe are overdone or unjustified. She has said a lot of crazy things that anyone of any gender would have been jumped on for saying. My guess is that someone else will step up who then can actually be a credible threat.
If it isn't hate it is fear because the left views her as a serious threat, which if that were the case it would explain why so many are intent with attacking her. Personally I don't pay any mind to someone that isn't worthy of my time, and candidates who are running against one that I choose that have no chance of winning don't get much attention.
I feel the attacks on her are way overdone and unjustified. And to be really honest I wouldn't vote for her anyway, not because of what she has or has not done but because I'm looking for someone else to step up.
I do think Democrats are overreacting to her; she still feels like a fear-inducing threat, but people more level-headed than myself on her probably have it right:
The attacks on her I don't believe are overdone or unjustified. She has said a lot of crazy things that anyone of any gender would have been jumped on for saying. My guess is that someone else will step up who then can actually be a credible threat.
I think Democrats were SHOCKED when McCain ran with Palin as his VP nomination. Had he been paired with someone credible, he probably would have won the election. Secondly, I don't think anyone could have predicted the damage that was done to this country, and to our relationships with the rest of the world, by the Bush Administration. So I think I understand why Democrats, and lots of other unlabeled groups of regular folks, react to Palin as they do. I think people are afraid (here comes the fear again) that this country might get saddled with recklessness akin to that which has been suffered during the past 8 years under Bush and Cheney.
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Henry David Thoreau
Oh yes, let's all vote for a quitter for President in 2012.
Not.
This is career suicide.
Thank God.
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WASHINGTON (July 5) - One of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's potential presidential rivals said Sunday that her abrupt resignation won't help her dodge scrutiny. President George W. Bush's chief political adviser said her strategy is, at best, unclear.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Palin's announcement that she would not seek a second term — and leave office before finishing her first — simply doesn't make sense in a conventional political setting. Karl Rove, a longtime Bush counselor, said Palin has engaged in a "risky strategy."
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If it isn't hate it is fear because the left views her as a serious threat, which if that were the case it would explain why so many are intent with attacking her. Personally I don't pay any mind to someone that isn't worthy of my time, and candidates who are running against one that I choose that have no chance of winning don't get much attention.
I feel the attacks on her are way overdone and unjustified. And to be really honest I wouldn't vote for her anyway, not because of what she has or has not done but because I'm looking for someone else to step up.
Fear is definitely more like it. I was scared shitless that a person like her, with absolutely no grasp of what's really going on, would be second-in-charge of this country.
Once again, +1. The woman does scare the shit out of me. Not because she's a serious threat, but just that the republicans are so far off the reservation that they think she's a legit candidate and that there are citizens out there that agree. She represents everything that fucked our country up so bad over the last 8-9 years... blind patriotism, wilful ignorance of reality, gross incompetence, cowboy down home hokum disguised as some sort of salt of the earth credibility... and it scares me that they seem to still be ok with that.
You left off the "rape the environment, so our friends can get rich" mentality. :twisted:
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If it isn't hate it is fear because the left views her as a serious threat, which if that were the case it would explain why so many are intent with attacking her. Personally I don't pay any mind to someone that isn't worthy of my time, and candidates who are running against one that I choose that have no chance of winning don't get much attention.
I feel the attacks on her are way overdone and unjustified. And to be really honest I wouldn't vote for her anyway, not because of what she has or has not done but because I'm looking for someone else to step up.
I do think Democrats are overreacting to her; she still feels like a fear-inducing threat, but people more level-headed than myself on her probably have it right:
The attacks on her I don't believe are overdone or unjustified. She has said a lot of crazy things that anyone of any gender would have been jumped on for saying. My guess is that someone else will step up who then can actually be a credible threat.
I think Democrats were SHOCKED when McCain ran with Palin as his VP nomination. Had he been paired with someone credible, he probably would have won the election. Secondly, I don't think anyone could have predicted the damage that was done to this country, and to our relationships with the rest of the world, by the Bush Administration. So I think I understand why Democrats, and lots of other unlabeled groups of regular folks, react to Palin as they do. I think people are afraid (here comes the fear again) that this country might get saddled with recklessness akin to that which has been suffered during the past 8 years under Bush and Cheney.
I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
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Instead America bought what the media was selling, a sound byte.
yes,,true..
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It makes sense that she's running for president in 2012. If the country is in the toilet and ready for "change" once again, what better way to bring it than with a woman? More shiny new wrapping paper over a big bag of bullshit. Just like there is no (positive) change between Bush and Obama, there won't be any with Palin. She's in the pocket of the same people that brought you our last X number of presidents.
Instead America bought what the media was selling, a sound byte.
And all that "hockey mom", "gosh darn", "dontyaknow" was...
.......fodder for late night comedic monologues.
I didn't vote for McCain nor did I vote for Obama, because I don't like any of the four that were represented in those camps. I just think the attacks on her and her family are unjustified. It doesn't mean that I am voting for her.
It's one thing to resign and then to announce a plan for the future, but to quit on a holiday friday (with a haphazard speech), give no real reason, and then to toss some vague remarks out through social networking sights, is quite bizarre, no?
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It's one thing to resign and then to announce a plan for the future, but to quit on a holiday friday (with a haphazard speech), give no real reason, and then to toss some vague remarks out through social networking sights, is quite bizarre, no?
Quite bizarre. I don't know who is giving her political advice...but it isn't good advice.
It's one thing to resign and then to announce a plan for the future, but to quit on a holiday friday (with a haphazard speech), give no real reason, and then to toss some vague remarks out through social networking sights, is quite bizarre, no?
Quite bizarre. I don't know who is giving her political advice...but it isn't good advice.
The same folks that suggested her as a "fit" Vice-Presidential candidate in the first place......
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
I admit that the day McCain introduced Sarah as his "running-mate" that he "jumped the shark." I don't know what he was thinking. He should have chosen someone else - because she had a real shot in the future. I feel like McCain's entire campaign workers were against here - and threw her under the bus. I personally support her and will continue to do so. I like her. Even though I'm a vegetarian - Sarah at least has what it takes to shoot her own plate of animal. Unlike Obama - whom continues to allow others to do his dirty work for him (while he "preens" in the mirror). I can't stand the "Palin-bashing."
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I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
I admit that the day McCain introduced Sarah as his "running-mate" that he "jumped the shark." I don't know what he was thinking. He should have chosen someone else - because she had a real shot in the future. I feel like McCain's entire campaign workers were against here - and threw her under the bus. I personally support her and will continue to do so. I like her. Even though I'm a vegetarian - Sarah at least has what it takes to shoot her own plate of animal. Unlike Obama - whom continues to allow others to do his dirty work for him (while he "preens" in the mirror). I can't stand the "Palin-bashing."
It would be a real shame if she was your first female president. You'd want a milestone like that to be remembered positively by the public which I doubt it will.
Keep in mind - if she is to become a future president - she will be YOUR president, too. I have to "endure" Obama as well. (Like we all endured Bush..and BUSH was GREAT the first FOUR years, IMO) And Obama is now MY president, too. And I exercise my rights to question his motives - like you all did with GW.
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"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
It would be a real shame if she was your first female president. You'd want a milestone like that to be remembered positively by the public which I doubt it will.
Keep in mind - if she is to become a future president - she will be YOUR president, too. I have to "endure" Obama as well. (Like we all endured Bush..and BUSH was GREAT the first FOUR years, IMO) And Obama is now MY president, too. And I exercise my rights to question his motives - like you all did with GW.
It would be a real shame if she was your first female president. You'd want a milestone like that to be remembered positively by the public which I doubt it will.
Keep in mind - if she is to become a future president - she will be YOUR president, too. I have to "endure" Obama as well. (Like we all endured Bush..and BUSH was GREAT the first FOUR years, IMO) And Obama is now MY president, too. And I exercise my rights to question his motives - like you all did with GW.
Sooooo...where'd Bush go wrong then in your mind?
Ummmm- in all honesty - it's kinda hard to "pinpoint" the exact thing. I think Bush was the right President for 9-11. I shudder to think what Obama would have done.......but that's just a "hypothetical" scenerio. I think Bush got kind of lazy - especially his last year or two. But in all honesty I'm not "into" the Obama" "Apology Tour." And I still believe in the "American Dream" - while it lasts.
The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated - Gandhi
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
She might have been "pushed on" to McCain, but at McCain's age and with his status, he could have pushed right back. If he allowed her to be "pushed on" him, then was he really fit for the presidency? As a man who would be president, you'd think he'd be the one doing the pushing, not the one getting pushed.
It makes sense that she's running for president in 2012. If the country is in the toilet and ready for "change" once again, what better way to bring it than with a woman? More shiny new wrapping paper over a big bag of bullshit. Just like there is no (positive) change between Bush and Obama, there won't be any with Palin. She's in the pocket of the same people that brought you our last X number of presidents.
Well, being a woman didn't bring in the vote the first time the Republicans trotted her out; it'll bring even fewer people out the second time. They will have seen it before...and plenty, between 2008 and the election. Being Black, being a woman, being Irish, being a guy you'd want to have a beer with...none of it is enough at this point. Once bitten, twice shy.
I'm not sold on the argument that she was "pushed" on McCain. I think that when Obama went with Biden, no one was sure how the Dems were going to react. The Hillary backers were still quite bitter. It might have been worth the gamble to try and lure some of them with a woman, but a far right woman was not going to be the answer. If they picked a moderate woman, you might have been able to pick away at the Clinton supporters a bit.
I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.
As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.
Instead America bought what the media was selling, a sound byte.
And all that "hockey mom", "gosh darn", "dontyaknow" was...
.......fodder for late night comedic monologues.
I didn't vote for McCain nor did I vote for Obama, because I don't like any of the four that were represented in those camps. I just think the attacks on her and her family are unjustified. It doesn't mean that I am voting for her.
Unjustified? Jesus Christ man, what WOULD be justified? The woman made Dubya look like a Rhodes scholar. Her bullshit about Alaska's proximity to Russia qualifying her to lead the most powerful nation in the world in a time of international unrest? That's worse than some of the bullshit I've tried to spin to get my jobs!
I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
I admit that the day McCain introduced Sarah as his "running-mate" that he "jumped the shark." I don't know what he was thinking. He should have chosen someone else - because she had a real shot in the future. I feel like McCain's entire campaign workers were against here - and threw her under the bus. I personally support her and will continue to do so. I like her. Even though I'm a vegetarian - Sarah at least has what it takes to shoot her own plate of animal. Unlike Obama - whom continues to allow others to do his dirty work for him (while he "preens" in the mirror). I can't stand the "Palin-bashing."
Stolen, but true, no person who continually paints themselves a victim has won the presidency. Sarah gets bashed because she takes the bait at every turn. I generally dislike what conservative Jonah Goldberg has to say, but in his recent column, "Palin Should Quit Whining, Crack the Books for 2012," he gets it right. He says, "Politics is ultimately about persuasion, and you (Sarah) seem entirely uninterested in that, preferring instead to play the victim. Well, victims don't get elected president." She gets bashed for several reasons, one is that she deserves scrutiny and she interprets it as bashing. Another is that she's like the kid in the classroom the others always like to pick on. They like to watch the fireworks. Can they make her cry again? Scream? Turn colors??? Get her to quit the drill team????? And God only knows, Palin likes to give an amazing show. To every stimulus, a technicolor response. Politically speaking, when pushed she cries, screams, turns colors and holds her breath and kicks. It sells papers; it gets people to write into the political section of this and other boards. Her charisma boils down to her ability to bring out the protective parents who want to comfort the poor little dear who always gets the short end of the stick (even though special orders short sticks), as well as all the sneaky 15-year-olds at heart who high five one another every time the get a rise out of her (and her protectors)--which is guaranteed to be virtually always. If she'd stop acting like a victim, people would little by little stop treating her like one as they start to see her as something other than fun at her expense, although she will never hold the respect that someone who never acted like a victim will hold. How far would Obama have gotten if every knock he got he whined, "Pity poor me, I'm so Black/interracial/a man!" People would have said, "Pity poor us! You're running for president????" But he didn't. He did the opposite, making most people think, this guy is unflappable and tough...like a leader ought to be. Sarah should hold her pity parties at home; holding them in public makes people want to puke...usually on her.
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
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I do think Democrats are overreacting to her; she still feels like a fear-inducing threat, but people more level-headed than myself on her probably have it right:
http://www.slate.com/id/2222230/
The attacks on her I don't believe are overdone or unjustified. She has said a lot of crazy things that anyone of any gender would have been jumped on for saying. My guess is that someone else will step up who then can actually be a credible threat.
I think Democrats were SHOCKED when McCain ran with Palin as his VP nomination. Had he been paired with someone credible, he probably would have won the election. Secondly, I don't think anyone could have predicted the damage that was done to this country, and to our relationships with the rest of the world, by the Bush Administration. So I think I understand why Democrats, and lots of other unlabeled groups of regular folks, react to Palin as they do. I think people are afraid (here comes the fear again) that this country might get saddled with recklessness akin to that which has been suffered during the past 8 years under Bush and Cheney.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Not.
This is career suicide.
Thank God.
Rove Calls Palin's Resignation 'Risky'
Who knows why she does the things she does.
Peace
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I'm not convinced McCain would have won the election, but he would have given Obama a much better run his money. I had respected greatly McCain until he apparently made this decision almost like a roll of the dice. I think he looked at Obama and Clinton & knew that people wanted a change, and he felt, mistakenly, that he could infuse his campaign with a little fire by selecting a woman. Apparently, any woman--a woman who would ask his campaign to essentially lie about her husband's involvement in a secessionist group. To McCain's credit, that one was "no dice" with him. But, bad, bad move on his part in selecting her without a thorough vetting, although being a Democrat, I'm happy he made it.
The country and the Republican party need a candidate the people of the country see as fundamentally honest and above-board. Eight years of Bush--eight years of lies and propaganda washes--have left people pretty tired of obvious dishonesty and insults to our intelligence. Fundamentally, I guess, this is what bothers me most about Palin...she talks about how she doesn't want to pursue politics as usual, but I'm not sure what she means. She's been caught out in one lie after another...is politics as usual to her politics where one is held accountable for what one says? Everything she does and says points to her wishing to return to the Bush years where lies and deception are seen as SOP--that goals picked by the elite are so good and so holy that the means to these goals is immaterial. I think Obama won this election when he said things like, "Well, let me tell you how I believe you demonstrate your respect. You do it by telling the truth and keeping your word, so folks can know that where you stand today is where you'll stand tomorrow." And then telling a hard truth, but saying by working together, we'd make our goals. He spoke to people as if they were intelligent adults and comes across as fundamentally honest, missteps and all. He speaks and acts as if he cares more about the country than he does himself. Sarah Palin does not. Her speech and her actions are very "me-centric"--she makes noises about the country, but they don't come across to me and millions like me as being genuine. She's leaving Alaska for the sake of Alaskans she says, but we all know she's leaving Alaska for Sarah Palin's ambition.
I agree with what you have to say with one exception: I feel that Palin was pushed onto McCain as his running mate and that the "Republicans in charge" totally miscalculated America's ability to see through her.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
And all that "hockey mom", "gosh darn", "dontyaknow" was...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
.......fodder for late night comedic monologues.
I didn't vote for McCain nor did I vote for Obama, because I don't like any of the four that were represented in those camps. I just think the attacks on her and her family are unjustified. It doesn't mean that I am voting for her.
It's one thing to resign and then to announce a plan for the future, but to quit on a holiday friday (with a haphazard speech), give no real reason, and then to toss some vague remarks out through social networking sights, is quite bizarre, no?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Quite bizarre. I don't know who is giving her political advice...but it isn't good advice.
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The same folks that suggested her as a "fit" Vice-Presidential candidate in the first place......
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
You don't even live here. (correct?) You appear to live in Greece. Don't you have some "issues" going on there that you can "focus" on?
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I admit that the day McCain introduced Sarah as his "running-mate" that he "jumped the shark." I don't know what he was thinking. He should have chosen someone else - because she had a real shot in the future. I feel like McCain's entire campaign workers were against here - and threw her under the bus. I personally support her and will continue to do so. I like her. Even though I'm a vegetarian - Sarah at least has what it takes to shoot her own plate of animal. Unlike Obama - whom continues to allow others to do his dirty work for him (while he "preens" in the mirror). I can't stand the "Palin-bashing."
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Keep in mind - if she is to become a future president - she will be YOUR president, too. I have to "endure" Obama as well. (Like we all endured Bush..and BUSH was GREAT the first FOUR years, IMO) And Obama is now MY president, too. And I exercise my rights to question his motives - like you all did with GW.
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Sooooo...where'd Bush go wrong then in your mind?
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Ummmm- in all honesty - it's kinda hard to "pinpoint" the exact thing. I think Bush was the right President for 9-11. I shudder to think what Obama would have done.......but that's just a "hypothetical" scenerio. I think Bush got kind of lazy - especially his last year or two. But in all honesty I'm not "into" the Obama" "Apology Tour." And I still believe in the "American Dream" - while it lasts.
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Well, being a woman didn't bring in the vote the first time the Republicans trotted her out; it'll bring even fewer people out the second time. They will have seen it before...and plenty, between 2008 and the election. Being Black, being a woman, being Irish, being a guy you'd want to have a beer with...none of it is enough at this point. Once bitten, twice shy.
I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.
As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.
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Unjustified? Jesus Christ man, what WOULD be justified? The woman made Dubya look like a Rhodes scholar. Her bullshit about Alaska's proximity to Russia qualifying her to lead the most powerful nation in the world in a time of international unrest? That's worse than some of the bullshit I've tried to spin to get my jobs!
Stolen, but true, no person who continually paints themselves a victim has won the presidency. Sarah gets bashed because she takes the bait at every turn. I generally dislike what conservative Jonah Goldberg has to say, but in his recent column, "Palin Should Quit Whining, Crack the Books for 2012," he gets it right. He says, "Politics is ultimately about persuasion, and you (Sarah) seem entirely uninterested in that, preferring instead to play the victim. Well, victims don't get elected president." She gets bashed for several reasons, one is that she deserves scrutiny and she interprets it as bashing. Another is that she's like the kid in the classroom the others always like to pick on. They like to watch the fireworks. Can they make her cry again? Scream? Turn colors??? Get her to quit the drill team????? And God only knows, Palin likes to give an amazing show. To every stimulus, a technicolor response. Politically speaking, when pushed she cries, screams, turns colors and holds her breath and kicks. It sells papers; it gets people to write into the political section of this and other boards. Her charisma boils down to her ability to bring out the protective parents who want to comfort the poor little dear who always gets the short end of the stick (even though special orders short sticks), as well as all the sneaky 15-year-olds at heart who high five one another every time the get a rise out of her (and her protectors)--which is guaranteed to be virtually always. If she'd stop acting like a victim, people would little by little stop treating her like one as they start to see her as something other than fun at her expense, although she will never hold the respect that someone who never acted like a victim will hold. How far would Obama have gotten if every knock he got he whined, "Pity poor me, I'm so Black/interracial/a man!" People would have said, "Pity poor us! You're running for president????" But he didn't. He did the opposite, making most people think, this guy is unflappable and tough...like a leader ought to be. Sarah should hold her pity parties at home; holding them in public makes people want to puke...usually on her.
From Fox News! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/0 ... 26370.html
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
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