I'm not sold on the argument that she was "pushed" on McCain. I think that when Obama went with Biden, no one was sure how the Dems were going to react. The Hillary backers were still quite bitter. It might have been worth the gamble to try and lure some of them with a woman, but a far right woman was not going to be the answer. If they picked a moderate woman, you might have been able to pick away at the Clinton supporters a bit.
I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.
As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.
This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her
The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated - Gandhi
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?
I'm not sold on the argument that she was "pushed" on McCain. I think that when Obama went with Biden, no one was sure how the Dems were going to react. The Hillary backers were still quite bitter. It might have been worth the gamble to try and lure some of them with a woman, but a far right woman was not going to be the answer. If they picked a moderate woman, you might have been able to pick away at the Clinton supporters a bit.
I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.
As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.
This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her
I don't smoke weed, drink, or do any drugs. I cleaned up my act several years ago. I sure as hell wouldn't go around the country saying that all alcoholics should be thrown in prison for life and then whine when people pointed out that I should have gone to prison as well under those criteria. Likewise, Palin shouldn't race around the country preaching the effectiveness of abstinence only sex ed and then whine that people point out it didn't even work for her own family.
And I sure as hell wouldn't go on national tv and say that since I grew up a mere hour from Windsor Canada and occasionally went there to drink or gamble that that makes me qualified to negotiate with Iran or Korea, as Palin did.
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?
really ... i just spent 5 mins trying to figure out how to say what i want to say without offending the red, white and blue on here ... and i just can't ... so, i'll just say that i hope sarah palin does not run for president ...
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?
It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
if you think that america has no reason to apologize for the way we have treated other countries and bullied them under bush then you are "an IGNORANT individual." i love my country, but i am just as quick to recognize and acknowledge its shortcomings as i am to brag about its accomplishments. it is called being analytical and a critical thinker. do you ever wonder why we are so hated? believe me, it ain't because of our freedom. i do not have the "america fuck yeah rah rah rah" attitude that so many on the right have. i tend to be a little more modest i guess. bravado and cowboy diplomacy gets you nowhere. a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.
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We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
if you think that america has no reason to apologize for the way we have treated other countries and bullied them under bush then you are "an IGNORANT individual." i love my country, but i am just as quick to recognize and acknowledge its shortcomings as i am to brag about its accomplishments. it is called being analytical and a critical thinker. do you ever wonder why we are so hated? believe me, it ain't because of our freedom. i do not have the "america fuck yeah rah rah rah" attitude that so many on the right have. i tend to be a little more modest i guess. bravado and cowboy diplomacy gets you nowhere. a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.
I agree
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'm not sold on the argument that she was "pushed" on McCain. I think that when Obama went with Biden, no one was sure how the Dems were going to react. The Hillary backers were still quite bitter. It might have been worth the gamble to try and lure some of them with a woman, but a far right woman was not going to be the answer. If they picked a moderate woman, you might have been able to pick away at the Clinton supporters a bit.
I think that McCain wanted either Lindsay Graham or Joe Liebermann. Neither one of them made political sense to the ticket, so he went pulled the wild card. I think Jindhal or Pawlentey (sp?? on both of those names) would have been safer picks because they had been through the ringer already. Palin was virtually unheard of. Not well versed in national issues. Because no one knew anything about her when they dug into her record and history the McCain/Palin camps cried foul. The woman should have been looked into deeply. She wasn't ready to be a #2 and a heartbeat away from being President. She was safe though because she would get the McCain camp about a week of press headlines...I just don't think they imagined it being as bad as what it got. When it got bad, it all just flooded out and there was nothing to stop it.
As for the infighting. I think Sarah realized early on that she was the star of the ticket and became a "diva" of sort. She had nothing to lose. If McCain loses, she's in a great spot. If he wins...she's in a great spot.
This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her
This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her
Wow, I've def. seen people get banned for saying much less than that!
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
if you think that america has no reason to apologize for the way we have treated other countries and bullied them under bush then you are "an IGNORANT individual." i love my country, but i am just as quick to recognize and acknowledge its shortcomings as i am to brag about its accomplishments. it is called being analytical and a critical thinker. do you ever wonder why we are so hated? believe me, it ain't because of our freedom. i do not have the "america fuck yeah rah rah rah" attitude that so many on the right have. i tend to be a little more modest i guess. bravado and cowboy diplomacy gets you nowhere. a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.
We SHOULD be apologizing. We were arrogant asshole cowboys while Bush was in office. World politics isn't a dick measuring contest. When you fuck up, you own up to it. Al Gore, Barack Obama, and John Kerry would ALL have had the same reaction to 9/11. Go into Afghanistan and take down the Taliban. That should have been THE mission. Like JB said, Bush fucked up when he went to Iraq. The Taliban is where we should have been focusing, and that is where Gore, Obama, and Kerry would have had us. This "Democrats are weak on defense" nonsense is beyond silly. FDR (sometimes), Truman, JFK, and LBJ...all "aggressive" Presidents when it comes to defense and all Democrats.
You are a WEAK individual. I'm done exchanging commments with you now.
How DARE you insult someone like that just because they are intelligent enough to think for themself and have valid insight into world events. I think he's demonstrated just the opposite, that he's STRONG, particularly in intellect.
What a bringdown your post is so early in the morning. You should be ashamed of yourself for making remarks like that when people are trying to have an intellectual discussion. :?
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Seriously? May I ask how old you were in the years of 1996-1999? Hell, 1993-2001. You think the media was tough on Bristol? I would have lived in a cave for the rest of my life if I were Chealsea Clinton.
some parts of the media were so viscous against Chelsea, faaaaaaaaar worse than Bristol received over getting pregnant, i'm also pretty sure Chelsea was a few years younger when she was being compared to some breed of dog and called ugly and other things.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Ummmm- in all honesty - it's kinda hard to "pinpoint" the exact thing. I think Bush was the right President for 9-11. I shudder to think what Obama would have done.......but that's just a "hypothetical" scenerio. I think Bush got kind of lazy - especially his last year or two. But in all honesty I'm not "into" the Obama" "Apology Tour." And I still believe in the "American Dream" - while it lasts.
What do you think Obama or Gore would've done in response to 9/11 that would have been so horrible?? and in comparison what do you think Bush did so right??
we never even caught the guy they say did it, in fact Bush said he didn't even think about him. this is, of course, AFTER he says "bring it on!! now watch this drive heh heh heh"
as far as i can see all the Bush administration accomplished was wasting a lot of lives on both sides, taking us from a surplus to debt, poisoning 2 countries with DU rounds (medical studies show birth defects tend to increase by hundreds of % in areas we've dropped them in the past), destroying our standing.....
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Seriously? May I ask how old you were in the years of 1996-1999? Hell, 1993-2001. You think the media was tough on Bristol? I would have lived in a cave for the rest of my life if I were Chealsea Clinton.
some parts of the media were so viscous against Chelsea, faaaaaaaaar worse than Bristol received over getting pregnant, i'm also pretty sure Chelsea was a few years younger when she was being compared to some breed of dog and called ugly and other things.
Honestly I was not following politics to much back then < but I did hear O'Reilly mention a few times how the right was brutal when it came to her,But What I meant was that the attackscoming from the left have been horrible.And what I don't understand is none of these so called femenist organizations stuck up for her. It has been nothing but a double standard b/c if she was a dem. and the right was attacking her like the left has the femenist groups would have been outraged
The onlly female democrat that had anything positive to say was Geraldine Feraro
Seriously? May I ask how old you were in the years of 1996-1999? Hell, 1993-2001. You think the media was tough on Bristol? I would have lived in a cave for the rest of my life if I were Chealsea Clinton.
some parts of the media were so viscous against Chelsea, faaaaaaaaar worse than Bristol received over getting pregnant, i'm also pretty sure Chelsea was a few years younger when she was being compared to some breed of dog and called ugly and other things.
Honestly I was not following politics to much back then < but I did hear O'Reilly mention a few times how the right was brutal when it came to her,But What I meant was that the attackscoming from the left have been horrible.And what I don't understand is none of these so called femenist organizations stuck up for her. It has been nothing but a double standard b/c if she was a dem. and the right was attacking her like the left has the femenist groups would have been outraged
The onlly female democrat that had anything positive to say was Geraldine Feraro
The only reason good old Geraldine came to her defense was because she was still pissed off at the Obama campaign.
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Question: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
Byron York said this The National Review:
Watching the press coverage of the Republican candidate for V.P. It's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent ,stupid,unqualified,corrupt,backwards,or all of the above.
Question: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
Byron York said this The National Review:
Watching the press coverage of the Republican candidate for V.P. It's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent ,stupid,unqualified,corrupt,backwards,or all of the above.
Question: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
Byron York said this The National Review:
Watching the press coverage of the Republican candidate for V.P. It's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent ,stupid,unqualified,corrupt,backwards,or all of the above.
WOW! The media is saying quite a bit maybe there's something to what they're saying. Good luck convincing.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
That's your opinion. and if you 2 are so smart why don't you go run for governor of your state. why don't you go and research all the money she saved Alaskan tax payers. She 's got way more experience then Obama ever had. when it comes to politics.
Question: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
Byron York said this The National Review:
Watching the press coverage of the Republican candidate for V.P. It's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent ,stupid,unqualified,corrupt,backwards,or all of the above.
sooo ... the media should ignore the fact she is all those things and say nothing?
Do You agree with Byron York ? if so
wow that's pathetic and you consider your self a liberal ? I wonder.. if she was a democrat would you feel the same way ? Keep it classy
That's your opinion. and if you 2 are so smart why don't you go run for governor of your state. why don't you go and research all the money she saved Alaskan tax payers. She 's got way more experience then Obama ever had. when it comes to politics.
Yeah, with her socialist agenda she did...
For her part, Sarah Palin, who has lately taken to calling Obama “Barack the Wealth Spreader,” seems to be something of a suspect character herself. She is, at the very least, a fellow-traveller of what might be called socialism with an Alaskan face. The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.” Perhaps there is some meaningful distinction between spreading the wealth and sharing it (“collectively,” no less), but finding it would require the analytic skills of Karl the Marxist.
That's your opinion. and if you 2 are so smart why don't you go run for governor of your state. why don't you go and research all the money she saved Alaskan tax payers. She 's got way more experience then Obama ever had. when it comes to politics.
Well PerfectLefts I'm not perfect and I did say maybe and maybe you're the one that's very smart here. Somewhere in this very entertaining thread I did say I liked her just not running this country. Especially after what we've had for the last 8 years, why take a chance on something as hideous as our last administration.
Again Good Luck
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Question: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
Byron York said this The National Review:
Watching the press coverage of the Republican candidate for V.P. It's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent ,stupid,unqualified,corrupt,backwards,or all of the above.
let me ask again: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
as for the quotes listed by Mr. York...I happen to agree with most if not all...Palin likes to portray herself as a victim...she's not...she chose to run for public office, therefore she open herself up to commentary...if she can't handle the job, which obviously she can't because she's quit, then she should not have taken or sought the job...
some parts of the media were so viscous against Chelsea, faaaaaaaaar worse than Bristol received over getting pregnant, i'm also pretty sure Chelsea was a few years younger when she was being compared to some breed of dog and called ugly and other things.
Honestly I was not following politics to much back then < but I did hear O'Reilly mention a few times how the right was brutal when it came to her,But What I meant was that the attackscoming from the left have been horrible.And what I don't understand is none of these so called femenist organizations stuck up for her. It has been nothing but a double standard b/c if she was a dem. and the right was attacking her like the left has the femenist groups would have been outraged
The onlly female democrat that had anything positive to say was Geraldine Feraro
You don't see many on the left rushing to the aid of Nancy Pelosi. Why? Because her views are as out there as anything Palin espouses. The feminist orgs have not stood up for Palin because nobody has made sexist comments about Palin. All criticism of her has been based completely on her stances on issues and conducts as a candidate and politician. Nobody has ridiculed her for being ugly or mannish (criticisms levelled at Chealsea and Hillary). Palin has been targeted because of her policies, not because she is a woman or even a republican. She has been targeted because she is espousing the same kind of absurd approach to governance that Bush used over the last 8 DISASTROUS years.
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This post is really NOT directed to anything YOU've said. However - this websight would not accept my trying to quote "Avatar" Humphrey.........so....Hey Humphrey.......Stop "Bogarting" that weed you are obviously smoking! I would love to see how any of you would handle your own family/children being scrutinized so harshly. I think I personally would feel compelled to beat the shit out of each of ya. I believe in Sarah. I can't wait to see what her next step is. I support her
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
It takes more strength to admit one's fault than to cover it up with a bunch of dick-swinging bluster. Pray tell, which of the statements he made in the post you quoted are wrong?
I don't smoke weed, drink, or do any drugs. I cleaned up my act several years ago. I sure as hell wouldn't go around the country saying that all alcoholics should be thrown in prison for life and then whine when people pointed out that I should have gone to prison as well under those criteria. Likewise, Palin shouldn't race around the country preaching the effectiveness of abstinence only sex ed and then whine that people point out it didn't even work for her own family.
And I sure as hell wouldn't go on national tv and say that since I grew up a mere hour from Windsor Canada and occasionally went there to drink or gamble that that makes me qualified to negotiate with Iran or Korea, as Palin did.
That's what I am wondering too...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
if you think that america has no reason to apologize for the way we have treated other countries and bullied them under bush then you are "an IGNORANT individual." i love my country, but i am just as quick to recognize and acknowledge its shortcomings as i am to brag about its accomplishments. it is called being analytical and a critical thinker. do you ever wonder why we are so hated? believe me, it ain't because of our freedom. i do not have the "america fuck yeah rah rah rah" attitude that so many on the right have. i tend to be a little more modest i guess. bravado and cowboy diplomacy gets you nowhere. a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I agree
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
A tough guy !!
Wow, I've def. seen people get banned for saying much less than that!
Really?
Stay tough man! That'll get you far...
Exactly.
How DARE you insult someone like that just because they are intelligent enough to think for themself and have valid insight into world events. I think he's demonstrated just the opposite, that he's STRONG, particularly in intellect.
What a bringdown your post is so early in the morning. You should be ashamed of yourself for making remarks like that when people are trying to have an intellectual discussion. :?
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
some parts of the media were so viscous against Chelsea, faaaaaaaaar worse than Bristol received over getting pregnant, i'm also pretty sure Chelsea was a few years younger when she was being compared to some breed of dog and called ugly and other things.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
+1
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
What do you think Obama or Gore would've done in response to 9/11 that would have been so horrible?? and in comparison what do you think Bush did so right??
we never even caught the guy they say did it, in fact Bush said he didn't even think about him. this is, of course, AFTER he says "bring it on!! now watch this drive heh heh heh"
as far as i can see all the Bush administration accomplished was wasting a lot of lives on both sides, taking us from a surplus to debt, poisoning 2 countries with DU rounds (medical studies show birth defects tend to increase by hundreds of % in areas we've dropped them in the past), destroying our standing.....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Honestly I was not following politics to much back then < but I did hear O'Reilly mention a few times how the right was brutal when it came to her,But What I meant was that the attackscoming from the left have been horrible.And what I don't understand is none of these so called femenist organizations stuck up for her. It has been nothing but a double standard b/c if she was a dem. and the right was attacking her like the left has the femenist groups would have been outraged
The onlly female democrat that had anything positive to say was Geraldine Feraro
The only reason good old Geraldine came to her defense was because she was still pissed off at the Obama campaign.
**it's good to see the old Moving Train back and active again. When the new board started I thought Drifting was going to take it over with his sun symbols and what not...good to see debate.**
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Byron York said this The National Review:
Watching the press coverage of the Republican candidate for V.P. It's sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent ,stupid,unqualified,corrupt,backwards,or all of the above.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasalert/2009/20090704121508.aspx
sooo ... the media should ignore the fact she is all those things and say nothing?
WOW! The media is saying quite a bit maybe there's something to what they're saying. Good luck convincing.
Peace
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Do You agree with Byron York ? if so
wow that's pathetic and you consider your self a liberal ? I wonder.. if she was a democrat would you feel the same way ? Keep it classy
Yeah, with her socialist agenda she did...
For her part, Sarah Palin, who has lately taken to calling Obama “Barack the Wealth Spreader,” seems to be something of a suspect character herself. She is, at the very least, a fellow-traveller of what might be called socialism with an Alaskan face. The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.” Perhaps there is some meaningful distinction between spreading the wealth and sharing it (“collectively,” no less), but finding it would require the analytic skills of Karl the Marxist.
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Well PerfectLefts I'm not perfect and I did say maybe and maybe you're the one that's very smart here. Somewhere in this very entertaining thread I did say I liked her just not running this country. Especially after what we've had for the last 8 years, why take a chance on something as hideous as our last administration.
Again Good Luck
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
let me ask again: what did the "media" do to Sarah...? what I mean is, they simply reported her comments and actions....how is that attacking her...?
as for the quotes listed by Mr. York...I happen to agree with most if not all...Palin likes to portray herself as a victim...she's not...she chose to run for public office, therefore she open herself up to commentary...if she can't handle the job, which obviously she can't because she's quit, then she should not have taken or sought the job...
You don't see many on the left rushing to the aid of Nancy Pelosi. Why? Because her views are as out there as anything Palin espouses. The feminist orgs have not stood up for Palin because nobody has made sexist comments about Palin. All criticism of her has been based completely on her stances on issues and conducts as a candidate and politician. Nobody has ridiculed her for being ugly or mannish (criticisms levelled at Chealsea and Hillary). Palin has been targeted because of her policies, not because she is a woman or even a republican. She has been targeted because she is espousing the same kind of absurd approach to governance that Bush used over the last 8 DISASTROUS years.