June 2nd Release Date? I'd think so

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

PldgMyGrievance wrote:

http://www.theskyiscrape.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=51

Halfway down page 53 of that page is a picture of the poster, and a close up of the "Coming this September" line.

yea that was touched upon earlier regarding international distribution.

decides2dream · May 2009

i'd just like to point out that pearl jam has done two whole tours now....in 2007 and in 2008...for *no reason*...as in, just to gig, have live shows and sure...make some $$$.....as they did not put out an album with new material since 2006. just sayin'. a band of pearl jam's caliber, at this stage of their career, absolutely CAN choose to play on conan "just because".......just because...they can. and the publicity for conan, and conversely for pearl jam.....all win-win. that's PLENTY of reason. and again, after such a performance, conan can quite likely invite them back AGAIN...when they release the album in the fall.

Get_Right · May 2009

decides2dream wrote:

i'd just like to point out that pearl jam has done two whole tours now....in 2007 and in 2008...for *no reason*...as in, just to gig, have live shows and sure...make some $$$.....as they did not put out an album with new material since 2006. just sayin'. a band of pearl jam's caliber, at this stage of their career, absolutely CAN choose to play on conan "just because".......just because...they can. and the publicity for conan, and conversely for pearl jam.....all win-win. that's PLENTY of reason. and again, after such a performance, conan can quite likely invite them back AGAIN...when they release the album in the fall.

yup

I would be very surprised if there was any release on June 2nd and I would be surprised if they release the album digitally prior to the physical copy

Doesnt really matter how Radiohead or NIN releases their material, I will note that Radiohead sells 3x more records than PJ and NIN approx 2x as many (in rainbows over 3 million units, the slip over 1.5 million units-while pearl jam sold approx 704,000). I still think PJ wants to release a hard copy. Both Radiohead and NIN have a much larger fanbase as far as buying studio material is concerned. Radiohead is arguably a "bigger" band than PJ

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

Get_Right wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i'd just like to point out that pearl jam has done two whole tours now....in 2007 and in 2008...for *no reason*...as in, just to gig, have live shows and sure...make some $$$.....as they did not put out an album with new material since 2006. just sayin'. a band of pearl jam's caliber, at this stage of their career, absolutely CAN choose to play on conan "just because".......just because...they can. and the publicity for conan, and conversely for pearl jam.....all win-win. that's PLENTY of reason. and again, after such a performance, conan can quite likely invite them back AGAIN...when they release the album in the fall.

yup

I would be very surprised if there was any release on June 2nd and I would be surprised if they release the album digitally prior to the physical copy

Doesnt really matter how Radiohead or NIN releases their material, I will note that Radiohead sells 3x more records than PJ and NIN approx 2x as many (in rainbows over 3 million units, the slip over 1.5 million units-while pearl jam sold approx 704,000). I still think PJ wants to release a hard copy. Both Radiohead and NIN have a much larger fanbase as far as buying studio material is concerned. Radiohead is arguably a "bigger" band than PJ

But you're comparing a standard release (Avocado) with a name your own price, and a free album. Pearl Jam has yet to explore the medium, so to sell 704,000 of avocado without the benefits of a viral buzz in this day and age, no number 1 cross over hit, was pretty successful. if PJ goes the route of digital download, who knows how many copies will be distributed.

Solat13 · May 2009

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i'd just like to point out that pearl jam has done two whole tours now....in 2007 and in 2008...for *no reason*...as in, just to gig, have live shows and sure...make some $$$.....as they did not put out an album with new material since 2006. just sayin'. a band of pearl jam's caliber, at this stage of their career, absolutely CAN choose to play on conan "just because".......just because...they can. and the publicity for conan, and conversely for pearl jam.....all win-win. that's PLENTY of reason. and again, after such a performance, conan can quite likely invite them back AGAIN...when they release the album in the fall.

yup

I would be very surprised if there was any release on June 2nd and I would be surprised if they release the album digitally prior to the physical copy

Doesnt really matter how Radiohead or NIN releases their material, I will note that Radiohead sells 3x more records than PJ and NIN approx 2x as many (in rainbows over 3 million units, the slip over 1.5 million units-while pearl jam sold approx 704,000). I still think PJ wants to release a hard copy. Both Radiohead and NIN have a much larger fanbase as far as buying studio material is concerned. Radiohead is arguably a "bigger" band than PJ

But you're comparing a standard release (Avocado) with a name your own price, and a free album. Pearl Jam has yet to explore the medium, so to sell 704,000 of avocado without the benefits of a viral buzz in this day and age, no number 1 cross over hit, was pretty successful. if PJ goes the route of digital download, who knows how many copies will be distributed.

There are a lot of people on here like me who won't buy a digital release. I know when PJ only had digital bootlegs in 05 and 06 a lot of us on here didn't buy any.

Get_Right · May 2009

Guitarhero27 wrote:

But you're comparing a standard release (Avocado) with a name your own price, and a free album. Pearl Jam has yet to explore the medium, so to sell 704,000 of avocado without the benefits of a viral buzz in this day and age, no number 1 cross over hit, was pretty successful. if PJ goes the route of digital download, who knows how many copies will be distributed.

there was a pretty good viral buzz for avocado (irving plaza, storytellers, and letterman) they promoted it more than any of the recent releases, but what you say is true, the unit count would be higher if the new PJ record is free or $5

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

Solat13 wrote:

There are a lot of people on here like me who won't buy a digital release. I know when PJ only had digital bootlegs in 05 and 06 a lot of us on here didn't buy any.

So if a digital release was available (of NEW songs) let's say 2 months before a hard copy - you would just wait for the hard copy to hear the new songs (illegal activity aside).

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

Get_Right wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

But you're comparing a standard release (Avocado) with a name your own price, and a free album. Pearl Jam has yet to explore the medium, so to sell 704,000 of avocado without the benefits of a viral buzz in this day and age, no number 1 cross over hit, was pretty successful. if PJ goes the route of digital download, who knows how many copies will be distributed.

there was a pretty good viral buzz for avocado (irving plaza, storytellers, and letterman) they promoted it more than any of the recent releases, but what you say is true, the unit count would be higher if the new PJ record is free or $5

This thread started as just kind of a conversation stirrer, and while an album may not be released on june 2, i do believe something will be, but people just fail to recognize the significance of a lot of factors based on past present and future especially in a situation where they hold this band so high up on a pedestal. Business is business.

Solat13 · May 2009

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

There are a lot of people on here like me who won't buy a digital release. I know when PJ only had digital bootlegs in 05 and 06 a lot of us on here didn't buy any.

So if a digital release was available (of NEW songs) let's say 2 months before a hard copy - you would just wait for the hard copy to hear the new songs (illegal activity aside).

Yep, wouldn't buy it. But that's just me. I'm sure someone on here would send me a copy but that that's money that PJ would never see from me.

decides2dream · May 2009

Get_Right wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i'd just like to point out that pearl jam has done two whole tours now....in 2007 and in 2008...for *no reason*...as in, just to gig, have live shows and sure...make some $$$.....as they did not put out an album with new material since 2006. just sayin'. a band of pearl jam's caliber, at this stage of their career, absolutely CAN choose to play on conan "just because".......just because...they can. and the publicity for conan, and conversely for pearl jam.....all win-win. that's PLENTY of reason. and again, after such a performance, conan can quite likely invite them back AGAIN...when they release the album in the fall.

yup

I would be very surprised if there was any release on June 2nd and I would be surprised if they release the album digitally prior to the physical copy

Doesnt really matter how Radiohead or NIN releases their material, I will note that Radiohead sells 3x more records than PJ and NIN approx 2x as many (in rainbows over 3 million units, the slip over 1.5 million units-while pearl jam sold approx 704,000). I still think PJ wants to release a hard copy. Both Radiohead and NIN have a much larger fanbase as far as buying studio material is concerned. Radiohead is arguably a "bigger" band than PJ

i'll take pearl jam however i can get em, but truly.....i will lament the *loss* if they follow others, hop on that bandwagon and abandon their roots. pj was never this tech-savvy band and while i am thrilled they have this community and have embraced technology, i personally hope that the continue to follow their own way, and yes.....release hard copies of albums first, or simultaneously, with DLs. tis only my own, personal desire. obviously they are out to make $$$, of course, but i hope their main motivators, especially this far along....is following what they truly love about music, the ritual of it all, etc. we shall see......

since when was pj ever about unit counts? :?
yes, they want and need to make $$$.......but really, does 'unit counts' equate more $$$, always? obviously, an actual Cd cost more than a DL, with increased production costs to boot....but still.....i know they are a business, but i just hope they keep some of their purity to their music and the history of making albums, etc. eh whatever. as i said, i'll take em how i can get em, i just am not a fan of DLs first, something is lost in the process imo. it's sad to think that 10-20 years from now....many kids won't even know what an 'album' really looks like, the joys of buying one, opening it...HEARING it for the first time, an actual, physical copy........*sighs*

anyhooooooo....i still say the conan appearance, just for the fuck of it....IS reason enough, and we don't need DLs the next day to make the appearance *worthwhile*...........

oh and i too would wait for the hard copy. i am not buying a DL of a pj album.

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

Solat13 wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

There are a lot of people on here like me who won't buy a digital release. I know when PJ only had digital bootlegs in 05 and 06 a lot of us on here didn't buy any.

So if a digital release was available (of NEW songs) let's say 2 months before a hard copy - you would just wait for the hard copy to hear the new songs (illegal activity aside).

Yep, wouldn't buy it. But that's just me. I'm sure someone on here would send me a copy but that that's money that PJ would never see from me.

I did say illegal activity aside

Please, the amount of money we give PJ is astronomical as it is. What's another $5 from us?

I'd give them the $5 on the mere fact that they're changing with the times lol

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

decides2dream wrote:

since when was pj ever about unit counts? :?

oh and i too would wait for the hard copy. i am not buying a DL of a pj album.

Then if that was the case, why didn't they stop their music from being distributed via Itunes? It's there for more than just another way for a fan to access the songs.

Solat13 · May 2009

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Yep, wouldn't buy it. But that's just me. I'm sure someone on here would send me a copy but that that's money that PJ would never see from me.

I did say illegal activity aside
Please, the amount of money we give PJ is astronomical as it is. What's another $5 from us?

I'd give them the $5 on the mere fact that they're changing with the times lol

Doesn't matter. It's the principle. I like cd's and art work and vinyl even more. I have the entire catalogue on vinyl. I'm not going to go along with a digital release.

And if they're changing with the times, why are X-mas singles still on vinyl with no option of a digital download?

I started many threads during past tours to bring back physical bootlegs on here and had a lot of support from other members and PJ listened and brought them back.

I'm just saying that there are more people out there than you think on here who are against digital downloads as a form of album release.

decides2dream · May 2009

Solat13 wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Yep, wouldn't buy it. But that's just me. I'm sure someone on here would send me a copy but that that's money that PJ would never see from me.

I did say illegal activity aside
Please, the amount of money we give PJ is astronomical as it is. What's another $5 from us?

I'd give them the $5 on the mere fact that they're changing with the times lol

Doesn't matter. It's the principle. I like cd's and art work and vinyl even more. I have the entire catalogue on vinyl. I'm not going to go along with a digital release.

And if they're changing with the times, why are X-mas singles still on vinyl with no option of a digital download?

I started many threads during past tours to bring back physical bootlegs on here and had a lot of support from other members and PJ listened and brought them back.

I'm just saying that there are more people out there than you think on here who are against digital downloads as a form of album release.

absofuckinglutely!

and in regards to itunes...pj having control over how they want their music distributed is EXACTLY what i am talking about - pj doing things their way, having control over their music, they way they want it. obviously, it's a balance between business and love.....i am one of the first to say pj is in it for the $$$....of course they are, duh! point is, how they go about it has always been their way, and i hope that continues.......

Get_Right · May 2009

decides2dream wrote:

i'll take pearl jam however i can get em, but truly.....i will lament the *loss* if they follow others, hop on that bandwagon and abandon their roots. pj was never this tech-savvy band and while i am thrilled they have this community and have embraced technology, i personally hope that the continue to follow their own way, and yes.....release hard copies of albums first, or simultaneously, with DLs. tis only my own, personal desire. obviously they are out to make $$$, of course, but i hope their main motivators, especially this far along....is following what they truly love about music, the ritual of it all, etc. we shall see......

since when was pj ever about unit counts? :?
yes, they want and need to make $$$.......but really, does 'unit counts' equate more $$$, always? obviously, an actual Cd cost more than a DL, with increased production costs to boot....but still.....i know they are a business, but i just hope they keep some of their purity to their music and the history of making albums, etc. eh whatever. as i said, i'll take em how i can get em, i just am not a fan of DLs first, something is lost in the process imo. it's sad to think that 10-20 years from now....many kids won't even know what an 'album' really looks like, the joys of buying one, opening it...HEARING it for the first time, an actual, physical copy........*sighs*

anyhooooooo....i still say the conan appearance, just for the fuck of it....IS reason enough, and we don't need DLs the next day to make the appearance *worthwhile*...........

oh and i too would wait for the hard copy. i am not buying a DL of a pj album.

100% percent agree across the board

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

what if it was a free giveaway for fan club members like the slip? you wouldn't download it, but instead just wait solely for the hard copy?

what if it was free, and/or it was via a name your own price if at all, would you donate anything or just take it for free or neither and still wait for the hard copy.

Solat13 · May 2009

Guitarhero27 wrote:

what if it was a free giveaway for fan club members like the slip? you wouldn't download it, but instead just wait solely for the hard copy?

what if it was free, and/or it was via a name your own price if at all, would you donate anything or just take it for free or neither and still wait for the hard copy.

I waited 5 years for the return of physical bootlegs. I think I'll manage an extra month or two for a cd to come out with liner notes, artwork, etc.

So no, I wouldn't partake in it.

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

Solat13 wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

what if it was a free giveaway for fan club members like the slip? you wouldn't download it, but instead just wait solely for the hard copy?

what if it was free, and/or it was via a name your own price if at all, would you donate anything or just take it for free or neither and still wait for the hard copy.

I waited 5 years for the return of physical bootlegs. I think I'll manage an extra month or two for a cd to come out with liner notes, artwork, etc.

So no, I wouldn't partake in it.

Yea, but the physical bootlegs are of songs you've heard before plenty of times, sure different magic in the air, etc....you mean to tell me you won't want to hear the new songs until there is a physical copy of it available to you? even though when it's avail via digital download prior to hard copy release - you would NOT listen to the songs whether through name your own price or free download? I'm sorry, I'm calling bs.

decides2dream · May 2009

Guitarhero27 wrote:

what if it was a free giveaway for fan club members like the slip? you wouldn't download it, but instead just wait solely for the hard copy?

what if it was free, and/or it was via a name your own price if at all, would you donate anything or just take it for free or neither and still wait for the hard copy.

like the slip? wtf is that?

it would be very difficult to not give a listen, especially for free.......but i would still more than likely wait. didn't they offer up some of the new album, to listen online only - a couple of songs - before it was released? i never listened. so perhaps it would'nt be that hard, haha. idk. guess it depends how long i must wait for the hard copy CD. point is, i want my FIRST LISTEN to be of an actual CD...on my stereo.....the album in it's entirety, with physical artwork in my hard to peruse while listening. the ritual. so yea.....i think i have the self-restraint to wait. i wouldn't be happy about it, but it is my preference. they can give me a free DL with the CD purchase if they want, fine....makes it easier to add to itunes, sure...but i want my CD. first.

Guitarhero27 · May 2009

http://theslip.nin.com/

June 2nd Release Date? I'd think so

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