I'd like to think in 9 pages worth of thread someone has mentioned that they won't need the lottery for PJ's tour. They'll be playing arenas and outdoor venues. They can pull enough tickets from the shows to fill the 10c orders.
I have a somewhat decent number (196xxx). I would be all for doing away with seniority (or at least once and awhile). When I was coming home on the train from MSG last year, a guy sat to me who won the lottery for BOTH shows. The guy was thrilled and looked like he hit the Powerball lottery. I'd love for there to be about 200 guys/girls like him (and maybe me once or twice) at every show. Or maybe in cities where they do 2 nights, throw seniority out for the 2nd show or something.
I do understand the fact that people with very low numbers would have issues with this and I understand why they would but it would be nice to have a shot at getting close. That was why the Borgata show was awesome. If you wanted to be close, you had the chance to get there at 2PM and wait in line.
if your member number was significantly lower, say 96XXX, you'd be just as opposed to doing away with seniority altogether. that being said, seniority will never cease to exist in PJ's fanclub (and rightfully so) but mixing things up with a lottery system in specific rows has worked out quite well.
at best, a fanclub member with a "somewhat decent" number could see his/her seats potentially improve from a typical row 25-30 location to row 15-20 in a hypothetical lottery; however, to expect seats in the 1st 10 rows with a number close to 200XXX (just using your number as an example) by way of any sort of lottery is unrealistic (based on which fanclub numbers 10C chose to reward with seats in rows 9-10 on the previous tour).
i've read numberous posts equating "great seats" at a PJ show to a location somewhere in the 1st 10 rows, but honestly, what's wrong with sitting on the inside aisle in row 15 with a clear and unobstructed view? those seats should also be considered great seats,...
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I like the idea of the lottery for shows in small venues, but not for the areans/stadiums/amphitheaters. Heres the various ticket procedures, from what I can remember. Correct me if im wrong on any of these. Personally I like the 2008 PJ system with the seniority and then having the 4 random rows up front.
Tours:
1998-random seating without seniority, one show limit
2000-one show limit, seniority within “blocks”
2003-no limit on shows, seniority within “blocks”
2004-Vote for Change tour-Ticketmaster presale passwords. Not a fan of this.
2005-Canada/North Am-No limit, strict seniority (no “blocks” if I remember, I could be wrong)
2006-no limit on shows, strict seniority based (except for Grand Rapids, arggh)
2008 EV-no limit on shows, no seniority (random), no lottery
2008 PJ-no limit on shows, strict seniority based, except rows 1-2 & 8-10
I think that's all right on the money, except I think that how quickly you sent your money in in 1998 and 2000 might have been a factor. I sent it immediately upon receiving the newsletter and did better for those shows than I expected to. (Wonder whether I also got the newsletter earlier; did they send them from Seattle? I seem to recall stuff being sent from New Jersey at one point?)
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I don't think they need to do this for big shows... those shows don't sell out in 2 minutes.
as somebody who has only bought tickets through ticketmaster all these years (and by phone that one non-ticketmaster year, 96 was it?) I have to disagree about the selling out in 2 minutes. sure, you can get seats WAY in the back for some venues ... but if you don't buy tickets within 2 minutes of them going on sale, you will not even get a decent seat, let alone a "good" one (especially by ten-clubbers standards). but i'm learning that what i consider a good seat, most here would laugh at :?
edit: this isn't to say they need to do a lottery for big shows, again, i've never done a tenclub presale so i don't have an educated opinion on that yet
I think that's all right on the money, except I think that how quickly you sent your money in in 1998 and 2000 might have been a factor. I sent it immediately upon receiving the newsletter and did better for those shows than I expected to. (Wonder whether I also got the newsletter earlier; did they send them from Seattle? I seem to recall stuff being sent from New Jersey at one point?)
good point that could have had something to do with it back in 98 for sure. i bet i have the "SASE" from my 98 alpine tickets somewhere at my parents' house. christ i used to save EVERYTHING.
stuff was definitely being sent from nj at some point, but i cant remember if it was fan club mailings or strictly the "holiday" singles
Edit: thought of a few more.
I like the idea of the lottery for shows in small venues, but not for the areans/stadiums/amphitheaters. Heres the various ticket procedures, from what I can remember. Correct me if im wrong on any of these. Personally I like the 2008 PJ system with the seniority and then having the 4 random rows up front.
Tours:
1998-random seating without seniority, one show limit
2000-one show limit, seniority within “blocks”
2003-no limit on shows, seniority within “blocks”
2004-Vote for Change tour-Ticketmaster presale passwords. Not a fan of this.
2005-Canada/North Am-No limit, strict seniority (no “blocks” if I remember, I could be wrong)
2006-no limit on shows, strict seniority based (except for Grand Rapids, arggh)
2008 EV-no limit on shows, no seniority (random), no lottery
2008 PJ-no limit on shows, strict seniority based, except rows 1-2 & 9-10
Specific Shows:
2002 Key Arena-lottery, seattle residents?
2003 House of Blues Florida-radio?
2003 Santa Barbara-email to be in lottery, from anywhere in country.
2003 Benaroya-lottery, within seattle area?
2005 Borgota Shows-lottery, anywhere. GA (seniory NA)
2005 Philly Wachovia Show-sold outright, strictly seniority
2005-House of Blues Chicago-10c posted first to reply the day before show had chance to buy tix for like $50. I want to say they had 50 tickets or something like that.
2006 Henry Fonda LA-lottery, within area? Mostly radio giveaway.
2006 Letterman aftershow-invite only to very senior fan club members from the area
2006 Irving Plaza-wait outside for tix with album purchase (no 10C involvement?)*
2007 Vic-tix sold outright, no lottery
*actually, certain 10c members with VERY low #s, manhattan residents only...were able to try and purchase 2 10c tix, but i think it was very limited. beyond that, then yes....wait at tower to get ONE ticket - i did that!
also, astoria UK - 10c euro members only had chance to call for tix......and euro, and i'd assume SA shows......GA ticketing, but 10c members got 15 minute early entry into the venue.
**and yes, importanly.....PRE-1998....NO seniority at ALL, just the chance to buy tix before the general public.
i only mention that b/c i love, love love when sneior members go on and on about seniority and it *always* being there....when it wasn't....and they were certainly never promised it, at all, ever. so 91 - 98 - 8 years - some of which had no 10c fees, most around $5, tops $10 - and SOME, certainly not saying all.....think they are so *entitled* to get MORE than other members, b/c why.....they paid at most.....$50 more in 10c membership fees? seriously, i do *get* it....the loyalty factor....but yea...i just don't buy the entitlement. however, i don't have a problem with seniority, so not trying to start shit....just sayin' is all.
good job on the run-down!
*oh and also...don't forget the TM imposed limits started i think in 2005 for fan-club seating, and that's when some issues started to develop. hell, even MSG 2 in 2003......they oversold 10c tix, and then offered a trade for holmdel.
I don't think they need to do this for big shows... those shows don't sell out in 2 minutes.
as somebody who has only bought tickets through ticketmaster all these years (and by phone that one non-ticketmaster year, 96 was it?) I have to disagree about the selling out in 2 minutes. sure, you can get seats WAY in the back for some venues ... but if you don't buy tickets within 2 minutes of them going on sale, you will not even get a decent seat, let alone a "good" one (especially by ten-clubbers standards). but i'm learning that what i consider a good seat, most here would laugh at :?
edit: this isn't to say they need to do a lottery for big shows, again, i've never done a tenclub presale so i don't have an educated opinion on that yet
I agree with you on the public sale, I was talking about the 10c presales for PJ concerts in large venues
DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
I don't think they need to do this for big shows... those shows don't sell out in 2 minutes.
as somebody who has only bought tickets through ticketmaster all these years (and by phone that one non-ticketmaster year, 96 was it?) I have to disagree about the selling out in 2 minutes. sure, you can get seats WAY in the back for some venues ... but if you don't buy tickets within 2 minutes of them going on sale, you will not even get a decent seat, let alone a "good" one (especially by ten-clubbers standards). but i'm learning that what i consider a good seat, most here would laugh at :?
edit: this isn't to say they need to do a lottery for big shows, again, i've never done a tenclub presale so i don't have an educated opinion on that yet
I agree with you on the public sale, I was talking about the 10c presales for PJ concerts in large venues
even that...it largely depends on WHAT large venue you are discussing. i'd hazard a guess and say ANY NYC proper or boston show.....sold out of 10c tix in 2 minutes, or less. there is a GOOD reason why they come back to these areas over and over.......
I say nay. Even though I won both shows I wanted, I would rather have either the joy or the pain over quickly rather than drawn out over 3 or 4 days.
That's exactly what I think. I mean putting an order in on Wednesday and waiting 6 days to find out you have tix to your fav Philly venue (the Tower) is much worse than randomly clicking for a few hours.
I say nay. Even though I won both shows I wanted, I would rather have either the joy or the pain over quickly rather than drawn out over 3 or 4 days.
That's exactly what I think. I mean putting an order in on Wednesday and waiting 6 days to find out you have tix to your fav Philly venue (the Tower) is much worse than randomly clicking for a few hours.
even if you got shut out b/c of the servers and/or dumb luck?
you people and your instant gratification...or misery...........hahahahahaha.
you got tix to BOTH philly shows joe? and you won the 2nd row lottery last year? you ARE blessed my friend....so stfu. :P hahahahahaha.
Nay. I'd like something similiar to Metallica's system where you get a unique Tickemaster pre-sale password in your profile and it's good for each show with a 2 or 4 ticket limit. You can actually pick your seats and in order to cut down on scalping, you have to pick up at will-call. The seats are generally fantastic as well.
sounds good to me
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I say nay. Even though I won both shows I wanted, I would rather have either the joy or the pain over quickly rather than drawn out over 3 or 4 days.
That's exactly what I think. I mean putting an order in on Wednesday and waiting 6 days to find out you have tix to your fav Philly venue (the Tower) is much worse than randomly clicking for a few hours.
even if you got shut out b/c of the servers and/or dumb luck?
you people and your instant gratification...or misery...........hahahahahaha.
you got tix to BOTH philly shows joe? and you won the 2nd row lottery last year? you ARE blessed my friend....so stfu. :P hahahahahaha.
Yes, but I was shut out for the wachovia show in 05 and got a ticket from a friend. And at least I knew right away that I didn't have a ticket and needed to make alternative plans instead of sitting around for 6 days with my stomach twisting about.
I also got shut out from both TM sales at the Borgata and both LA EV shows last year 10c and TM.
So maybe my run of luck is better now, but I still would rather know then spend all day at work on Monday and Tuesday scouring the board and checking my email.
With holiday aaplications at work being tight, i'd rather know there and then if i'm going... That way I can also book flights etc in advance and cheaply.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Yes, but I was shut out for the wachovia show in 05 and got a ticket from a friend. And at least I knew right away that I didn't have a ticket and needed to make alternative plans instead of sitting around for 6 days with my stomach twisting about.
I also got shut out from both TM sales at the Borgata and both LA EV shows last year 10c and TM.
So maybe my run of luck is better now, but I still would rather know then spend all day at work on Monday and Tuesday scouring the board and checking my email.
different perspectives......
10c built in time so that IF shut out of the lottery, you have time for the public sale....so same difference imo. i far rather sign up for a lottery at my leisure, no stress or fuss, and wait it out until they announce the winners.....rather than waste hours of my time, over different days possibly....just trying for the chance to buy tix. and as ive said, outside of ed last year...i have always been lucky, so it's not like i think i'd do 'better' with this system, probably not....especially for my hometown shows.....i just like the less stress, zen-like approach of it.
anyhoo......10c's gonna do what 10c's gonna do........as long as i have a shot at 10c tix (barring some shows with restirctions)......i am happy.......:)
btw - i guess thats the differnce too...i find my stomach twists about trying for the tix. ths, no twisting....just glorious anticipation/hopeful. i find the normal ticket process life-shortening .....this was blissful.
I have a somewhat decent number (196xxx). I would be all for doing away with seniority (or at least once and awhile). When I was coming home on the train from MSG last year, a guy sat to me who won the lottery for BOTH shows. The guy was thrilled and looked like he hit the Powerball lottery. I'd love for there to be about 200 guys/girls like him (and maybe me once or twice) at every show. Or maybe in cities where they do 2 nights, throw seniority out for the 2nd show or something.
I do understand the fact that people with very low numbers would have issues with this and I understand why they would but it would be nice to have a shot at getting close. That was why the Borgata show was awesome. If you wanted to be close, you had the chance to get there at 2PM and wait in line.
I understand and respect what you're saying, but I don't think you're considering other effects, such as how the ranks of scalpers would swell if we all had the same shot at great seats (and, as importantly, there were no real repercussions to getting caught scalping front- or second-row seats).
I think rows 1-2 and 9-10 being random gives people enough hope and opportunity. If people proposed doing the same thing for two rows out of every ten all the way back on the floor, I'd vote for that, too. But getting rid of seniority altogether would do more harm than good for the collective fanbase. I've said this here a few times before, but imagine the howls on this forum about the 'Gossip Girl' people up front whose dads dropped $1,000 on the tickets and spent the whole night texting...
1) I don't think those girls could give 2 shits about PJ.
2) I'm all for anything that cuts down on what a fucking sausage fest every PJ show is.
i've read numberous posts equating "great seats" at a PJ show to a location somewhere in the 1st 10 rows, but honestly, what's wrong with sitting on the inside aisle in row 15 with a clear and unobstructed view? those seats should also be considered great seats,...
You ever sit there? There's no such thing as an unobstructed view. I'd rather be on the side in seats than on the floor. They pack those seats together so much on the floor it's ridiculous, and one tall guy ahead of you and your night is fucked. Oh yeah, forget about trying to breathe without elbowing the person next to you.
Nope! I like what they did for the 2008 east coast tour, have a mini-lottery for the folks that actually got tickets. However, the front rows should still belong to the senior ten-club members.
i've read numberous posts equating "great seats" at a PJ show to a location somewhere in the 1st 10 rows, but honestly, what's wrong with sitting on the inside aisle in row 15 with a clear and unobstructed view? those seats should also be considered great seats,...
You ever sit there? There's no such thing as an unobstructed view. I'd rather be on the side in seats than on the floor. They pack those seats together so much on the floor it's ridiculous, and one tall guy ahead of you and your night is fucked. Oh yeah, forget about trying to breathe without elbowing the person next to you.
i've sat on the inside aisle from as close as 4th row to as far back as 20th row and numerous rows in between (in all three sections on the floor), and without any hesitation i can say there's NEVER been an instance where we didn't have a clear and unobstructed view of the stage because those center aisles make for a great sight line. mind you, at the 2nd '08 MSG show we sat in the 16th row but on the outside far corner and the sight line was clear and unobstructed as well which made for a great time,...
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if your member number was significantly lower, say 96XXX, you'd be just as opposed to doing away with seniority altogether. that being said, seniority will never cease to exist in PJ's fanclub (and rightfully so) but mixing things up with a lottery system in specific rows has worked out quite well.
at best, a fanclub member with a "somewhat decent" number could see his/her seats potentially improve from a typical row 25-30 location to row 15-20 in a hypothetical lottery; however, to expect seats in the 1st 10 rows with a number close to 200XXX (just using your number as an example) by way of any sort of lottery is unrealistic (based on which fanclub numbers 10C chose to reward with seats in rows 9-10 on the previous tour).
i've read numberous posts equating "great seats" at a PJ show to a location somewhere in the 1st 10 rows, but honestly, what's wrong with sitting on the inside aisle in row 15 with a clear and unobstructed view? those seats should also be considered great seats,...
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I think that's all right on the money, except I think that how quickly you sent your money in in 1998 and 2000 might have been a factor. I sent it immediately upon receiving the newsletter and did better for those shows than I expected to. (Wonder whether I also got the newsletter earlier; did they send them from Seattle? I seem to recall stuff being sent from New Jersey at one point?)
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
as somebody who has only bought tickets through ticketmaster all these years (and by phone that one non-ticketmaster year, 96 was it?) I have to disagree about the selling out in 2 minutes. sure, you can get seats WAY in the back for some venues ... but if you don't buy tickets within 2 minutes of them going on sale, you will not even get a decent seat, let alone a "good" one (especially by ten-clubbers standards). but i'm learning that what i consider a good seat, most here would laugh at :?
edit: this isn't to say they need to do a lottery for big shows, again, i've never done a tenclub presale so i don't have an educated opinion on that yet
good point that could have had something to do with it back in 98 for sure. i bet i have the "SASE" from my 98 alpine tickets somewhere at my parents' house. christ i used to save EVERYTHING.
stuff was definitely being sent from nj at some point, but i cant remember if it was fan club mailings or strictly the "holiday" singles
I used to save the envelops from the newsletters, and I still save ticket stubs.
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*actually, certain 10c members with VERY low #s, manhattan residents only...were able to try and purchase 2 10c tix, but i think it was very limited. beyond that, then yes....wait at tower to get ONE ticket - i did that!
also, astoria UK - 10c euro members only had chance to call for tix......and euro, and i'd assume SA shows......GA ticketing, but 10c members got 15 minute early entry into the venue.
**and yes, importanly.....PRE-1998....NO seniority at ALL, just the chance to buy tix before the general public.
i only mention that b/c i love, love love when sneior members go on and on about seniority and it *always* being there....when it wasn't....and they were certainly never promised it, at all, ever. so 91 - 98 - 8 years - some of which had no 10c fees, most around $5, tops $10 - and SOME, certainly not saying all.....think they are so *entitled* to get MORE than other members, b/c why.....they paid at most.....$50 more in 10c membership fees?
good job on the run-down!
*oh and also...don't forget the TM imposed limits started i think in 2005 for fan-club seating, and that's when some issues started to develop. hell, even MSG 2 in 2003......they oversold 10c tix, and then offered a trade for holmdel.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I agree with you on the public sale, I was talking about the 10c presales for PJ concerts in large venues
even that...it largely depends on WHAT large venue you are discussing. i'd hazard a guess and say ANY NYC proper or boston show.....sold out of 10c tix in 2 minutes, or less. there is a GOOD reason why they come back to these areas over and over.......
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
That's exactly what I think. I mean putting an order in on Wednesday and waiting 6 days to find out you have tix to your fav Philly venue (the Tower) is much worse than randomly clicking for a few hours.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
even if you got shut out b/c of the servers and/or dumb luck?
you people and your instant gratification...or misery...........hahahahahaha.
you got tix to BOTH philly shows joe? and you won the 2nd row lottery last year? you ARE blessed my friend....so stfu.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
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Yes, but I was shut out for the wachovia show in 05 and got a ticket from a friend. And at least I knew right away that I didn't have a ticket and needed to make alternative plans instead of sitting around for 6 days with my stomach twisting about.
I also got shut out from both TM sales at the Borgata and both LA EV shows last year 10c and TM.
So maybe my run of luck is better now, but I still would rather know then spend all day at work on Monday and Tuesday scouring the board and checking my email.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
different perspectives......
10c built in time so that IF shut out of the lottery, you have time for the public sale....so same difference imo. i far rather sign up for a lottery at my leisure, no stress or fuss, and wait it out until they announce the winners.....rather than waste hours of my time, over different days possibly....just trying for the chance to buy tix. and as ive said, outside of ed last year...i have always been lucky, so it's not like i think i'd do 'better' with this system, probably not....especially for my hometown shows.....i just like the less stress, zen-like approach of it.
anyhoo......10c's gonna do what 10c's gonna do........as long as i have a shot at 10c tix (barring some shows with restirctions)......i am happy.......:)
btw - i guess thats the differnce too...i find my stomach twists about trying for the tix. ths, no twisting....just glorious anticipation/hopeful. i find the normal ticket process life-shortening
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
1) I don't think those girls could give 2 shits about PJ.
2) I'm all for anything that cuts down on what a fucking sausage fest every PJ show is.
You ever sit there? There's no such thing as an unobstructed view. I'd rather be on the side in seats than on the floor. They pack those seats together so much on the floor it's ridiculous, and one tall guy ahead of you and your night is fucked. Oh yeah, forget about trying to breathe without elbowing the person next to you.
i've sat on the inside aisle from as close as 4th row to as far back as 20th row and numerous rows in between (in all three sections on the floor), and without any hesitation i can say there's NEVER been an instance where we didn't have a clear and unobstructed view of the stage because those center aisles make for a great sight line. mind you, at the 2nd '08 MSG show we sat in the 16th row but on the outside far corner and the sight line was clear and unobstructed as well which made for a great time,...
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