Nay. I'd like something similiar to Metallica's system where you get a unique Tickemaster pre-sale password in your profile and it's good for each show with a 2 or 4 ticket limit. You can actually pick your seats and in order to cut down on scalping, you have to pick up at will-call. The seats are generally fantastic as well.
absolutely YEA to this idea. :!:
Absolutely yay!
I got two standing tickets for NIN in the pre-sale on Tuesday thanks to this system and i'm all up for it! The will-call with ID is great for stopping scalpers and opening up to fanclub only for the first couple of days is brilliant.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Would you like to see this new system used for the upcoming Pearl Jam tour?
Yea or Nay?
Yes. Well, something similar. Let's face it, people aren't going to get shut out during a regular tour. There isn't THAT much demand. I've said it many times over, I like a 2-round seating system where you get to pick one show for the first round (a "hometown" show). Then there's a lottery (though everyone's probably going to win their first choice). Tickets are distributed based on seniority then. After that, you do round two, where anybody can buy tickets to whatever's left in the same manner things have been done in the past. These tickets are then distributed based on seniority. This still rewards long-time members, while ensuring that people don't get shut out of their hometown shows and that the same people aren't always monopolizing the first 10 rows.
Big fat nay for me too. if it wasn't for this lottery shit I was prepared to try to buy tickets for at least 4 Ed shows if it would have been like last tour. Instead I have to put my trust in a corrupt TM or sit it out. Ed is totally worth being raped by Ticketmaster though so
Do you all seriously think the 10c doesn't build service charges into their ticket price? Jesus, you all act like the 10c hands out free front row tickets to every show and TM asks for your firstborn child in exchange for a nosebleed seat... have any of you even bought a TM ticket recently? They're essentially no different from 10c in terms of price, and that includes TM fees.
Big fat nay for me too. if it wasn't for this lottery shit I was prepared to try to buy tickets for at least 4 Ed shows if it would have been like last tour. Instead I have to put my trust in a corrupt TM or sit it out. Ed is totally worth being raped by Ticketmaster though so
Do you all seriously think the 10c doesn't build service charges into their ticket price? Jesus, you all act like the 10c hands out free front row tickets to every show and TM asks for your firstborn child in exchange for a nosebleed seat... have any of you even bought a TM ticket recently? They're essentially no different from 10c in terms of price, and that includes TM fees.
there is one thing that every single pearl jam ticket i have gotten from the ten club, all have in common....
they ALL have the word TICKETMASTER printed on them............every single one of them from 2003 to the present...........
amazing isnt it???? hehehehehehe
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
This still rewards long-time members, while ensuring that people don't get shut out of their hometown shows and that the same people aren't always monopolizing the first 10 rows.
They addressed that -- four of the first ten rows, including the first two, were random last tour.
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"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Nay. I'd like something similiar to Metallica's system where you get a unique Tickemaster pre-sale password in your profile and it's good for each show with a 2 or 4 ticket limit. You can actually pick your seats and in order to cut down on scalping, you have to pick up at will-call. The seats are generally fantastic as well.
Pearl Jam did that in 2004 for the VFC tour. We all had personal TM passwords in our profiles for use for the shows. You couldn't pick your seats, but PJ is capable of replicating that system if they've done it before.
Nay. I'd like something similiar to Metallica's system where you get a unique Tickemaster pre-sale password in your profile and it's good for each show with a 2 or 4 ticket limit. You can actually pick your seats and in order to cut down on scalping, you have to pick up at will-call. The seats are generally fantastic as well.
Pearl Jam did that in 2004 for the VFC tour. We all had personal TM passwords in our profiles for use for the shows. You couldn't pick your seats, but PJ is capable of replicating that system if they've done it before.
You wouldn't be able to "pick your seats" if they went to this system; it would be first come first serve, like regular Ticketmaster sales but with fewer people.
The problem is it would give scalpers the same shot at great seats as long-time 10-C members, which would water down the quality of seats for everyone. For $20 a scalper could join the 10-C at the first sign of a "tweet" and use their sophisticated software (and, often, large staffs) to get the great seats.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Nay. I'd like something similiar to Metallica's system where you get a unique Tickemaster pre-sale password in your profile and it's good for each show with a 2 or 4 ticket limit. You can actually pick your seats and in order to cut down on scalping, you have to pick up at will-call. The seats are generally fantastic as well.
Pearl Jam did that in 2004 for the VFC tour. We all had personal TM passwords in our profiles for use for the shows. You couldn't pick your seats, but PJ is capable of replicating that system if they've done it before.
You wouldn't be able to "pick your seats" if they went to this system; it would be first come first serve, like regular Ticketmaster sales but with fewer people.
The problem is it would give scalpers the same shot at great seats as long-time 10-C members, which would water down the quality of seats for everyone. For $20 a scalper could join the 10-C at the first sign of a "tweet" and use their sophisticated software (and, often, large staffs) to get the great seats.
I'm not saying I want that system. I like the current system, but that PJ had done something similar in the past.
I'm not saying I want that system. I like the current system, but that PJ had done something similar in the past.
My bad -- I was more speaking to the previous poster's idea.
Another problem with the Ticketmaster idea: do you really trust them to give 10 Club members all the great seats?
I respect differing opinions on this issue but feel strongly that a lot of people don't realize how good we have it now. Scalping is virtually nonexistent, and all but the MSG shows last tour were easy to get.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Big fat nay for me too. if it wasn't for this lottery shit I was prepared to try to buy tickets for at least 4 Ed shows if it would have been like last tour. Instead I have to put my trust in a corrupt TM or sit it out. Ed is totally worth being raped by Ticketmaster though so
Do you all seriously think the 10c doesn't build service charges into their ticket price? Jesus, you all act like the 10c hands out free front row tickets to every show and TM asks for your firstborn child in exchange for a nosebleed seat... have any of you even bought a TM ticket recently? They're essentially no different from 10c in terms of price, and that includes TM fees.
yea the pricing is usually similar
but im pretty sure most of the good seats are handed to ticketsnow where u get raped..
10c is way better
im all for the system they used for the Solo shows.....
me too.
someone else said it all beautifully in another thread, it truly is so *fair* in that no one is rewarded/punished for having a flaster/slower internet connection, on here all the time, etc. and no, i don't think people who spend all day here all the time - which includeds myself - should be rewarded for it. far too many feel far too entitled to things imo.
i will say i don't think you should be limited to one show tho, and that seating should be done the way it was for the 2008 pj tour. mix the tix lottery purchase program with the seniority-based seating system, with the 4 random rows and unlimited tix, and you have a winner! the only 'issue' i forse with that is those of us who like to travel. if i put in for the lottery for say 5 shows, and i only get chosen for 2....and they are FAR apart location-wise......i either have to get TM tix, or resort to a scalper for the inbetween shows. granted, the same could happen with a regular 10c ticket sale, only difference being i would know a lot quicker what shows i scored and what i didn't....and plan my trip accordingly.
i just found this process soooooooooooooo more chill. i dislike the staggered sales of tickets. i know it's better for the servers, but it is such a pain in the ass to arrange so much time, during a workday mind you, to dedicate to being here again and again trying for different shows. i loved buying all the tix for all 5 shows in italy all at once...and yes, i was totally lucky and got em all. as far as demand for shows, it definitely is not AS difficult for pj shows b/c they DO play such huge venues....but even huge, places like MSG, my 'hometown' show.....always HUGE demand and a hot ticket to score. so there are always disadvantages with any system. i really don't know what's the 'best'......but i appreciate that 10c keeps trying, tweaking, to benefit the most fans. so truly, i am open to whatever they decide to do. honestly, i think the 2008 tour system is more than likely the one they will continue to utilize. for smaller/intimate pj shows, this solo show lottery system is definitely a good idea.
oh and the TM password for the VFC tour - that was good!
i feel that seniority needs to be taken into account -- when tickets are put up for sale
for example -- the people with lower ten club #'s (a cut off number predetermined) get a day then newer members get to go on a later day
huh?
you don't have that now...and never did!
that's taking the whole seniority scenario TOO far imo.
with the current pj show system, EVERY member gets a shot at tix at the same time. even ed's solo shows, the same. only difference is...with pj it was instantaneous, you got your tix or didn't get your tix.....based on how quick you and your internet connection was, and sure...dumb luck with the servers. with ed solo, it was determined by pure dumb luck of random lottery. same difference really as far as results. there are always X amount of tickets that X amount of fans will get. i do not think ACCESS to tickets should ever be determined by seniorty, that is taking seniority to new levels of elitism.
however, i DO agree with seniority in regards to seat placement, with the added 2008 tweak of those 4 random rows. lottery for access to tix and seniorty overall for seating...both can be done, if 10c wanted.
hell, we could go back to the postcard days and leave that luck of the draw too. hahaha. i remember for the 2003 tour, sending in my postcards and money orders.......and then still, the MSG 2 show was oversold, so rather than have to issue refunds, 10c asked for volunteers to take holmdel instead, and so i did.....and then bought someone else's 10c spare for MSG 2.
oh, and i totally disagree with a 'hometwon' system of any kind...b/c it just can't work well. areas such as NYC, MSG is a 'hometown' shows for MANY residents in 3 different states! how could they ever do that? besides which, for MANY fans, there are NO shows in their hometown on every tour...probably not even in their state...so that would not be fair to them. and hell, even if there is a show in my hometown, perhaps i prefer traveling elsewhere. so sure, i can agree with a 'priority' show, but never hometwon. however, as i said....i think as far as unlimited shows to purchase and how seating was done for the 2008 shows was IDEAL, best of both....seniority overall with a little *chance* for everyone. cool. i think how they actually handle ticket sales....whole other story, and perhaps we will continue to see changes/improvements.
im all for the system they used for the Solo shows.....
me too.
someone else said it all beautifully in another thread, it truly is so *fair* in that no one is rewarded/punished for having a flaster/slower internet connection, on here all the time, etc. and no, i don't think people who spend all day here all the time - which includeds myself - should be rewarded for it. far too many feel far too entitled to things imo.
i will say i don't think you should be limited to one show tho, and that seating should be done the way it was for the 2008 pj tour. mix the tix lottery purchase program with the seniority-based seating system, with the 4 random rows and unlimited tix, and you have a winner! the only 'issue' i forse with that is those of us who like to travel. if i put in for the lottery for say 5 shows, and i only get chosen for 2....and they are FAR apart location-wise......i either have to get TM tix, or resort to a scalper for the inbetween shows. granted, the same could happen with a regular 10c ticket sale, only difference being i would know a lot quicker what shows i scored and what i didn't....and plan my trip accordingly.
i just found this process soooooooooooooo more chill. i dislike the staggered sales of tickets. i know it's better for the servers, but it is such a pain in the ass to arrange so much time, during a workday mind you, to dedicate to being here again and again trying for different shows. i loved buying all the tix for all 5 shows in italy all at once...and yes, i was totally lucky and got em all. as far as demand for shows, it definitely is not AS difficult for pj shows b/c they DO play such huge venues....but even huge, places like MSG, my 'hometown' show.....always HUGE demand and a hot ticket to score. so there are always disadvantages with any system. i really don't know what's the 'best'......but i appreciate that 10c keeps trying, tweaking, to benefit the most fans. so truly, i am open to whatever they decide to do. honestly, i think the 2008 tour system is more than likely the one they will continue to utilize. for smaller/intimate pj shows, this solo show lottery system is definitely a good idea.
oh and the TM password for the VFC tour - that was good!
THE ONLY REASON people here are terrified of the new system....
is because they think they may lose their precious 10club seniority......
and god forbid they would have to sit in the 20th row.....
or god forbid they couldnt sneak their friends in to the front rows....
or god forbid they might have to sit in the balcony.....
or god forbid they might have to sit side stage.......
or god forbid they couldnt go to 20 shows.......
believe me.....
i know more than one person here .......where it is no longer just about seeing the band....
its a disgusting obsession....where they are only happy sitting as close to the stage as possible and coming back to the board and letting everyone know what color Eds nose hairs are.....
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Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
This still rewards long-time members, while ensuring that people don't get shut out of their hometown shows and that the same people aren't always monopolizing the first 10 rows.
They addressed that -- four of the first ten rows, including the first two, were random last tour.
It's an improvement, but I'm still not sold on it being definitive. Unless you're one of the lucky winners, most people are still sitting row 30 behind the people that have been row 3 for every show since 2000.
THE ONLY REASON people here are terrified of the new system....
Yeah it definitely has nothing to do with Ticketmaster being shadier than the Redwood Forest.
every pearl jam ticket you have ever bought....
has the word ticketmaster printed on it....
right????
and wait a second.....
what the fuck does ticketmaster have to do with the new system put in place for the Eds solo shows?????
Ticketmaster printing tickets and Ticketmaster assigning tickets are two very different things...
As for the Ed shows, maybe I'm confused, but by "new system" I thought you meant the Ticketmaster pre-sale idea. Since that's what decides2dream's post, which you quoted, ended with.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
oh, and i totally disagree with a 'hometwon' system of any kind...b/c it just can't work well. areas such as NYC, MSG is a 'hometown' shows for MANY residents in 3 different states! how could they ever do that? besides which, for MANY fans, there are NO shows in their hometown on every tour...probably not even in their state...so that would not be fair to them. and hell, even if there is a show in my hometown, perhaps i prefer traveling elsewhere. so sure, i can agree with a 'priority' show, but never hometwon. however, as i said....i think as far as unlimited shows to purchase and how seating was done for the 2008 shows was IDEAL, best of both....seniority overall with a little *chance* for everyone. cool. i think how they actually handle ticket sales....whole other story, and perhaps we will continue to see changes/improvements.
Yeah, I don't like an automated hometown thing, I just use the term for lack of a better one. I just think it makes sense to have a self-selected priority show like there used to be back in 98, where your odds of getting in and getting the best seats are maximized. Then you can throw your hat in the ring for everything else, knowing your seats will likely be better than TM, even if not as good as your priority show.
THE ONLY REASON people here are terrified of the new system....
is because they think they may lose their precious 10club senority......
and god forbid they would have to sit in the 20th row.....
or god forbid they couldnt sneak their friends in to the front rows....
or god forbid they might have to sit in the balcony.....
or god forbid they might have to sit side stage.......
or god forbid they couldnt go to 20 shows.......
believe me.....
i know more than one person here .......where it is no longer just about seeing the band....
its a disgusting obsession....where they are only happy sitting as close to the stage as possible and coming back to the board and letting everyone know what color Eds nose hairs are.....
i think some people simply realize they DO have an advantage......better/faster internet connnection, perhaps have no issues whatsoever being on the site to try for tix whenever they like, as often as they like, etc. and truly, people 'worry' about pj selling out, ed charging too much for tix, alienating the 'average fan'.....etc. i disgaree there but my point is this: how is it *fair* to fans who don't have access to a computer all day, or who perhaps happen to have dial-up, or have to use public internet access, etc, etc? oh, then it's ok to be too f'n bad, it is what it is? and it's not just 'poor' fans who may be in that situation....hell, back when i was teaching i did not have a computer in my classroom, i could not just come/go out of my classes whenever i pleased....and yes, even if i could get to the faculty room and use our computer there, we had an archaic computer and internet system.
now i DO have access all day, but yea.....i am still at WORK, and don't have the luxury of always getting to come here exactly at the time of my choosing. basically, i always called out when there were ticket sales. :oops: and seriously...my choice and all...i wanted to try for 10c tix just like everyone else....but really, not everyone can do that, and since this is a fanclub and not TM....why should it be like that? that's why this lottery system for GETTING tix was so awesome. as i said, they'd have to do some tweaking/planning to get it to work for multiple show choices - b/c i don't think they'd ever do away with that, not good for them or the fans - and the big thing is....
seniority for seating would remain intact!!! the 2008 system, which i think is beautiful for all - could easily still be utilized. it's two different things. lottery for ticket access......and then seniority seating (salong with the random 4 rows)......all could be done!
as i've said, i've always been lucky with 10c tix except for EV last summer - i was lucky this time round tho. i just think the process could be a lot less stressful and far more peaceful....like the ed solo shows. i think the one show limit was awesome for this limited tour at such small venues. 10c HAs limited other small venue shows in the past too...nothing new here, and i am totally cool/understanding of it. i really, really like how the ed solo shows were handled this time round...opne up more shows to more people...always a good thing. why shouldn't more 10c members get a shot of actually getting a 10c ticket to such limited shows? as to seniority seating for these shows....given they are not even pj shows......i am just happy we even GOT access to 10c tix at all! probably too much hassle to be bothered with seniorty for these shows, and yea...we're lucky to get tickets. eh whateveeeeerrrrrr............i'm rambling.
It's an improvement, but I'm still not sold on it being definitive. Unless you're one of the lucky winners, most people are still sitting row 30 behind the people that have been row 3 for every show since 2000.
I understand what you mean and may be bummed if I were stuck at row 30. But I'd like to think I'd see the bigger picture that the seniority system thwarts scalping -- and that getting something better than row 30 from Ticketmaster is pretty fucking far from guaranteed...
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I just think it makes sense to have a self-selected priority show like there used to be back in 98, where your odds of getting in and getting the best seats are maximized. Then you can throw your hat in the ring for everything else, knowing your seats will likely be better than TM, even if not as good as your priority show.
I prefer that alternative to the others that have been suggested.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
oh, and i totally disagree with a 'hometwon' system of any kind...b/c it just can't work well. areas such as NYC, MSG is a 'hometown' shows for MANY residents in 3 different states! how could they ever do that? besides which, for MANY fans, there are NO shows in their hometown on every tour...probably not even in their state...so that would not be fair to them. and hell, even if there is a show in my hometown, perhaps i prefer traveling elsewhere. so sure, i can agree with a 'priority' show, but never hometwon. however, as i said....i think as far as unlimited shows to purchase and how seating was done for the 2008 shows was IDEAL, best of both....seniority overall with a little *chance* for everyone. cool. i think how they actually handle ticket sales....whole other story, and perhaps we will continue to see changes/improvements.
Yeah, I don't like an automated hometown thing, I just use the term for lack of a better one. I just think it makes sense to have a self-selected priority show like there used to be back in 98, where your odds of getting in and getting the best seats are maximized. Then you can throw your hat in the ring for everything else, knowing your seats will likely be better than TM, even if not as good as your priority show.
absolutely.
so yea mr. english major...use more precise language to illustrate your point then. hometown and priority shows.....two very different things in my mind.
i truly liked the 2008 system in regards to seating...awesome and probably pretty easy for em. ticket access is another discussion. two seperate things, and for that...i liked this solo tour system.
but whatever.
10c is gonna do what 10c is gonna do....and overall...i've been pretty damn happy with just about everything they have done in regards to ticketing. so i am cool with it b/c i think they always have the best interest of the most amount of fans, at heart....and try to do right by us. i find that $20 a year well spent.
THE ONLY REASON people here are terrified of the new system....
is because they think they may lose their precious 10club seniority......
and god forbid they would have to sit in the 20th row.....
or god forbid they couldnt sneak their friends in to the front rows....
or god forbid they might have to sit in the balcony.....
or god forbid they might have to sit side stage.......
or god forbid they couldnt go to 20 shows.......
believe me.....
i know more than one person here .......where it is no longer just about seeing the band....
its a disgusting obsession....where they are only happy sitting as close to the stage as possible and coming back to the board and letting everyone know what color Eds nose hairs are.....
Amen! A-fuckin-men!
I have been so turned off by the obsession of some of my fellow jamily members. I'm embarrassed for them as I have been disgusted!
I'm glad a long-term member like myself, but who has only gone to less than 20 PJ shows, won the lottery the other day. I felt like I was not only lucky, but also rewarded. I won't be in front row and I don't give a damn. I'm there to see Eddie sing and in such an intimate setting, there we be no bad seat in the house.
~*~Me and Hippiemom dranketh the red wine in Cleveland 2003~*~
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
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I got two standing tickets for NIN in the pre-sale on Tuesday thanks to this system and i'm all up for it! The will-call with ID is great for stopping scalpers and opening up to fanclub only for the first couple of days is brilliant.
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yes. Well, something similar. Let's face it, people aren't going to get shut out during a regular tour. There isn't THAT much demand. I've said it many times over, I like a 2-round seating system where you get to pick one show for the first round (a "hometown" show). Then there's a lottery (though everyone's probably going to win their first choice). Tickets are distributed based on seniority then. After that, you do round two, where anybody can buy tickets to whatever's left in the same manner things have been done in the past. These tickets are then distributed based on seniority. This still rewards long-time members, while ensuring that people don't get shut out of their hometown shows and that the same people aren't always monopolizing the first 10 rows.
Do you all seriously think the 10c doesn't build service charges into their ticket price? Jesus, you all act like the 10c hands out free front row tickets to every show and TM asks for your firstborn child in exchange for a nosebleed seat... have any of you even bought a TM ticket recently? They're essentially no different from 10c in terms of price, and that includes TM fees.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
they ALL have the word TICKETMASTER printed on them............every single one of them from 2003 to the present...........
amazing isnt it???? hehehehehehe
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
crap ... msg is my local venue ... figures :?
i feel that seniority needs to be taken into account -- when tickets are put up for sale
for example -- the people with lower ten club #'s (a cut off number predetermined) get a day then newer members get to go on a later day
They addressed that -- four of the first ten rows, including the first two, were random last tour.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Pearl Jam did that in 2004 for the VFC tour. We all had personal TM passwords in our profiles for use for the shows. You couldn't pick your seats, but PJ is capable of replicating that system if they've done it before.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
You wouldn't be able to "pick your seats" if they went to this system; it would be first come first serve, like regular Ticketmaster sales but with fewer people.
The problem is it would give scalpers the same shot at great seats as long-time 10-C members, which would water down the quality of seats for everyone. For $20 a scalper could join the 10-C at the first sign of a "tweet" and use their sophisticated software (and, often, large staffs) to get the great seats.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I'm not saying I want that system. I like the current system, but that PJ had done something similar in the past.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
My bad -- I was more speaking to the previous poster's idea.
Another problem with the Ticketmaster idea: do you really trust them to give 10 Club members all the great seats?
I respect differing opinions on this issue but feel strongly that a lot of people don't realize how good we have it now. Scalping is virtually nonexistent, and all but the MSG shows last tour were easy to get.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
yea the pricing is usually similar
but im pretty sure most of the good seats are handed to ticketsnow where u get raped..
10c is way better
me too.
someone else said it all beautifully in another thread, it truly is so *fair* in that no one is rewarded/punished for having a flaster/slower internet connection, on here all the time, etc. and no, i don't think people who spend all day here all the time - which includeds myself - should be rewarded for it. far too many feel far too entitled to things imo.
i will say i don't think you should be limited to one show tho, and that seating should be done the way it was for the 2008 pj tour. mix the tix lottery purchase program with the seniority-based seating system, with the 4 random rows and unlimited tix, and you have a winner! the only 'issue' i forse with that is those of us who like to travel. if i put in for the lottery for say 5 shows, and i only get chosen for 2....and they are FAR apart location-wise......i either have to get TM tix, or resort to a scalper for the inbetween shows. granted, the same could happen with a regular 10c ticket sale, only difference being i would know a lot quicker what shows i scored and what i didn't....and plan my trip accordingly.
i just found this process soooooooooooooo more chill. i dislike the staggered sales of tickets. i know it's better for the servers, but it is such a pain in the ass to arrange so much time, during a workday mind you, to dedicate to being here again and again trying for different shows. i loved buying all the tix for all 5 shows in italy all at once...and yes, i was totally lucky and got em all. as far as demand for shows, it definitely is not AS difficult for pj shows b/c they DO play such huge venues....but even huge, places like MSG, my 'hometown' show.....always HUGE demand and a hot ticket to score. so there are always disadvantages with any system. i really don't know what's the 'best'......but i appreciate that 10c keeps trying, tweaking, to benefit the most fans. so truly, i am open to whatever they decide to do. honestly, i think the 2008 tour system is more than likely the one they will continue to utilize. for smaller/intimate pj shows, this solo show lottery system is definitely a good idea.
oh and the TM password for the VFC tour - that was good!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
huh?
you don't have that now...and never did!
that's taking the whole seniority scenario TOO far imo.
with the current pj show system, EVERY member gets a shot at tix at the same time. even ed's solo shows, the same. only difference is...with pj it was instantaneous, you got your tix or didn't get your tix.....based on how quick you and your internet connection was, and sure...dumb luck with the servers. with ed solo, it was determined by pure dumb luck of random lottery. same difference really as far as results. there are always X amount of tickets that X amount of fans will get. i do not think ACCESS to tickets should ever be determined by seniorty, that is taking seniority to new levels of elitism.
however, i DO agree with seniority in regards to seat placement, with the added 2008 tweak of those 4 random rows. lottery for access to tix and seniorty overall for seating...both can be done, if 10c wanted.
hell, we could go back to the postcard days and leave that luck of the draw too. hahaha. i remember for the 2003 tour, sending in my postcards and money orders.......and then still, the MSG 2 show was oversold, so rather than have to issue refunds, 10c asked for volunteers to take holmdel instead, and so i did.....and then bought someone else's 10c spare for MSG 2.
oh, and i totally disagree with a 'hometwon' system of any kind...b/c it just can't work well. areas such as NYC, MSG is a 'hometown' shows for MANY residents in 3 different states! how could they ever do that? besides which, for MANY fans, there are NO shows in their hometown on every tour...probably not even in their state...so that would not be fair to them. and hell, even if there is a show in my hometown, perhaps i prefer traveling elsewhere. so sure, i can agree with a 'priority' show, but never hometwon. however, as i said....i think as far as unlimited shows to purchase and how seating was done for the 2008 shows was IDEAL, best of both....seniority overall with a little *chance* for everyone. cool. i think how they actually handle ticket sales....whole other story, and perhaps we will continue to see changes/improvements.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
10/30/09.10/31/09.5/17/10.9/7/11
EV:boston 1+2.albnay 1.boston 2010
is because they think they may lose their precious 10club seniority......
and god forbid they would have to sit in the 20th row.....
or god forbid they couldnt sneak their friends in to the front rows....
or god forbid they might have to sit in the balcony.....
or god forbid they might have to sit side stage.......
or god forbid they couldnt go to 20 shows.......
believe me.....
i know more than one person here .......where it is no longer just about seeing the band....
its a disgusting obsession....where they are only happy sitting as close to the stage as possible and coming back to the board and letting everyone know what color Eds nose hairs are.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yeah it definitely has nothing to do with Ticketmaster being shadier than the Redwood Forest.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
It's an improvement, but I'm still not sold on it being definitive. Unless you're one of the lucky winners, most people are still sitting row 30 behind the people that have been row 3 for every show since 2000.
has the word ticketmaster printed on it....
right????
and wait a second.....
what the fuck does ticketmaster have to do with the new system put in place for the Eds solo shows?????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Ticketmaster printing tickets and Ticketmaster assigning tickets are two very different things...
As for the Ed shows, maybe I'm confused, but by "new system" I thought you meant the Ticketmaster pre-sale idea. Since that's what decides2dream's post, which you quoted, ended with.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Yeah, I don't like an automated hometown thing, I just use the term for lack of a better one. I just think it makes sense to have a self-selected priority show like there used to be back in 98, where your odds of getting in and getting the best seats are maximized. Then you can throw your hat in the ring for everything else, knowing your seats will likely be better than TM, even if not as good as your priority show.
i think some people simply realize they DO have an advantage......better/faster internet connnection, perhaps have no issues whatsoever being on the site to try for tix whenever they like, as often as they like, etc. and truly, people 'worry' about pj selling out, ed charging too much for tix, alienating the 'average fan'.....etc. i disgaree there but my point is this: how is it *fair* to fans who don't have access to a computer all day, or who perhaps happen to have dial-up, or have to use public internet access, etc, etc? oh, then it's ok to be too f'n bad, it is what it is? and it's not just 'poor' fans who may be in that situation....hell, back when i was teaching i did not have a computer in my classroom, i could not just come/go out of my classes whenever i pleased....and yes, even if i could get to the faculty room and use our computer there, we had an archaic computer and internet system.
now i DO have access all day, but yea.....i am still at WORK, and don't have the luxury of always getting to come here exactly at the time of my choosing. basically, i always called out when there were ticket sales. :oops: and seriously...my choice and all...i wanted to try for 10c tix just like everyone else....but really, not everyone can do that, and since this is a fanclub and not TM....why should it be like that? that's why this lottery system for GETTING tix was so awesome. as i said, they'd have to do some tweaking/planning to get it to work for multiple show choices - b/c i don't think they'd ever do away with that, not good for them or the fans - and the big thing is....
seniority for seating would remain intact!!! the 2008 system, which i think is beautiful for all - could easily still be utilized. it's two different things. lottery for ticket access......and then seniority seating (salong with the random 4 rows)......all could be done!
as i've said, i've always been lucky with 10c tix except for EV last summer - i was lucky this time round tho. i just think the process could be a lot less stressful and far more peaceful....like the ed solo shows. i think the one show limit was awesome for this limited tour at such small venues. 10c HAs limited other small venue shows in the past too...nothing new here, and i am totally cool/understanding of it. i really, really like how the ed solo shows were handled this time round...opne up more shows to more people...always a good thing. why shouldn't more 10c members get a shot of actually getting a 10c ticket to such limited shows? as to seniority seating for these shows....given they are not even pj shows......i am just happy we even GOT access to 10c tix at all! probably too much hassle to be bothered with seniorty for these shows, and yea...we're lucky to get tickets. eh whateveeeeerrrrrr............i'm rambling.
the glass is half-full people.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I understand what you mean and may be bummed if I were stuck at row 30. But I'd like to think I'd see the bigger picture that the seniority system thwarts scalping -- and that getting something better than row 30 from Ticketmaster is pretty fucking far from guaranteed...
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I prefer that alternative to the others that have been suggested.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
absolutely.
so yea mr. english major...use more precise language to illustrate your point then.
i truly liked the 2008 system in regards to seating...awesome and probably pretty easy for em. ticket access is another discussion. two seperate things, and for that...i liked this solo tour system.
but whatever.
10c is gonna do what 10c is gonna do....and overall...i've been pretty damn happy with just about everything they have done in regards to ticketing. so i am cool with it b/c i think they always have the best interest of the most amount of fans, at heart....and try to do right by us. i find that $20 a year well spent.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Amen! A-fuckin-men!
I have been so turned off by the obsession of some of my fellow jamily members. I'm embarrassed for them as I have been disgusted!
I'm glad a long-term member like myself, but who has only gone to less than 20 PJ shows, won the lottery the other day. I felt like I was not only lucky, but also rewarded. I won't be in front row and I don't give a damn. I'm there to see Eddie sing and in such an intimate setting, there we be no bad seat in the house.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena