Octuplets Mom

so-much-clearer · February 2009

scb wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Doctors are only allowed to implant NO MORE than 2 embryos at a time in women under 35

Is that true? (Seriously, I don't know.) I thought they usually implanted a bunch, expecting only one or two to make it. If you have any info on this, I'd be interested. (If not, don't worry about it.)

There aren't laws, the "recommended guideline" is to put NO MORE than 2-3 into a woman her age, and try again if they fail.

The story is that she wanted all six that the doc had on hand because she "didn't want any to go to waste".

And with there being no laws against it, she probably could have sued him (just like she's gotten ALL of her money) for impeding her right to choose to have 6 babies.

decides2dream · February 2009

So Much Clearer wrote:

scb wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Doctors are only allowed to implant NO MORE than 2 embryos at a time in women under 35

Is that true? (Seriously, I don't know.) I thought they usually implanted a bunch, expecting only one or two to make it. If you have any info on this, I'd be interested. (If not, don't worry about it.)

There aren't laws, the "recommended guideline" is to put NO MORE than 2-3 into a woman her age, and try again if they fail.

The story is that she wanted all six that the doc had on hand because she "didn't want any to go to waste".

And with there being no laws against it, she probably could have sued him (just like she's gotten ALL of her money) for impeding her right to choose to have 6 babies.

intersting!
well if any *good* may come out of all this, perhaps there will be LAWS put into place governing such. it amazes me all the trials and stipulations for one to adopt...but none for IVF! i didn't know we had the 'right to choose' to have 6 babies. i mean, it's not a question of this naturally occurring and someone within the medical community trying to impede that process. this is going out of your way to artifically create a pregnancy - which i am 100% a-ok with and support the rights and access to IVF - and then choosing to be utterly irresponsible about it imo.

so-much-clearer · February 2009

Heineken Helen wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Also, for those who aren't aware...she paid for the fertility treatments with money from a WORKER'S COMP settlement.

what's wrong with that? It was her money to do with as she pleased.

Disability payments are intended to help the person with LIFE NEEDS because they can't work for wages. The problem is that this woman is a fraud. She sued for worker's comp because of her back, yet went through several pregnancies including carrying EIGHT at once. On a bad back. And the fact that she puts this money toward plastic surgery and more IVF when she clearly cannot provide for her first 6 kids? That doesn't bother you at all? The money should have been going to the 6 kids, three of whom are already special needs, or so she has apparently claimed to the gov't.

decides2dream · February 2009

So Much Clearer wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Also, for those who aren't aware...she paid for the fertility treatments with money from a WORKER'S COMP settlement.

what's wrong with that? It was her money to do with as she pleased.

Disability payments are intended to help the person with LIFE NEEDS because they can't work for wages. The problem is that this woman is a fraud. She sued for worker's comp because of her back, yet went through several pregnancies including carrying EIGHT at once. On a bad back. And the fact that she puts this money toward plastic surgery and more IVF when she clearly cannot provide for her first 6 kids? That doesn't bother you at all? The money should have been going to the 6 kids, three of whom are already special needs, or so she has apparently claimed to the gov't.

how judgemental of you.

seriously..i think i love you.

so-much-clearer · February 2009

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I have not read the whole thread on her, but doen't she already have like 6 kids? And where is the father?

The father is her boyfriend, who, according to her mother, wants to marry her but she is determined to be a single parent. (except that by "single parent" she means dumping the kids on her mom while she has more)

She's deranged. That's all there is to it.

so-much-clearer · February 2009

Heineken Helen wrote:

There's nothing wrong with being a single parent either... doesn't matter how many kids you have. The families I know were lucky that neither parent died cos that woulda made the other one a single parent. It's just the JUDGING going on is unreal. If someone wants millions of kids well let them, it's not something I'D ever choose to do... but i'm not gonna judge someone cos they want something different. But you keep going on about her manicures and stuff :oops: what's THAT got to do with anything? Maybe NBC or whatever let them get their nails done before going on... maybe she's got a friend who's a beautician.. who the fuck knows... but you seem to think you do :?

THEN YOU PAY FOR THEM. You don't live in the US right? It's easy for you to say "don't judge" because your hard-earned money isn't paying for this crazy broad's right to keep popping out kids.

If you think this has to do with jealousy, how do you explain if MILLIONS of Americans are "jealous" of her? Only a handful of people actually support this, EVEN HER OWN MOTHER DOESN'T!! Why are the people of the United States (YES the entire country's taxes go go her disabled kids' SSI payments) not allowed to be angry that we have to cover a $3million medical bill that ANYONE ELSE who couldn't pay would be in debt for the rest of their lives trying to pay, not to mention continuing to pay for the horrible environment they will be raised in.

And it's good that this story is coming to light because maybe people will now wake up and put some restrictions on embryo implantation and perhaps the same investigations that adoptive parents have to go through.

The only possible happy ending is to take these kids away from this mentally ill woman and put them in more fit homes. If she raises them, they will continue to be leeches on society because they will learn from their "mother". These babies deserve better.

AmentsChick · February 2009

So Much Clearer wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

There's nothing wrong with being a single parent either... doesn't matter how many kids you have. The families I know were lucky that neither parent died cos that woulda made the other one a single parent. It's just the JUDGING going on is unreal. If someone wants millions of kids well let them, it's not something I'D ever choose to do... but i'm not gonna judge someone cos they want something different. But you keep going on about her manicures and stuff :oops: what's THAT got to do with anything? Maybe NBC or whatever let them get their nails done before going on... maybe she's got a friend who's a beautician.. who the fuck knows... but you seem to think you do :?

THEN YOU PAY FOR THEM. You don't live in the US right? It's easy for you to say "don't judge" because your hard-earned money isn't paying for this crazy broad's right to keep popping out kids.

If you think this has to do with jealousy, how do you explain if MILLIONS of Americans are "jealous" of her? Only a handful of people actually support this, EVEN HER OWN MOTHER DOESN'T!! Why are the people of the United States (YES the entire country's taxes go go her disabled kids' SSI payments) not allowed to be angry that we have to cover a $3million medical bill that ANYONE ELSE who couldn't pay would be in debt for the rest of their lives trying to pay, not to mention continuing to pay for the horrible environment they will be raised in.

And it's good that this story is coming to light because maybe people will now wake up and put some restrictions on embryo implantation and perhaps the same investigations that adoptive parents have to go through.

The only possible happy ending is to take these kids away from this mentally ill woman and put them in more fit homes. If she raises them, they will continue to be leeches on society because they will learn from their "mother". These babies deserve better.

Yup, that pretty much sums everything up.

AmentsChick · February 2009

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/1 ... 65508.html

I found this to be especially interesting:

Without identifying the doctor, the Medical Board of California said last week it was looking into the Suleman case to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The medical board said Monday it has not taken any disciplinary action against Kamrava in the past.

In the NBC interview, Suleman did not identify her doctor by name, but said that she went to the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills _ of which Kamrava is director _ and that all 14 of her children were conceived with help from the same doctor. In 2006, Los Angeles TV station KTLA ran a story on infertility that showed Kamrava treating Suleman and discussing embryo implantation.

Kamrava graduated from the University of Illinois and went to medical school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, according to state records and his Web site.

Some fertility specialists said Kamrava is a controversial figure in the field.

"He's tried some novel techniques and some of those methods have been controversial," said Dr. John Jain, founder of Santa Monica Fertility Specialists.

Jain criticized the decision to implant so many embryos, saying: "I do think that this doctor really stepped outside the guidelines in a very extreme manner, and as such, put both the mother and children at extra high risk of disability and even death."

Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a professional acquaintance of Kamrava's, said Kamrava worked to develop an embryo transfer device that allows doctors to implant an embryo _ or sometimes sperm with an unfertilized egg _ directly into the uterine lining.

"Usually we inject the embryos into the uterus and they float around and attach themselves," Steinberg said. However, Steinberg said there was no evidence the method improved success rates for pregnancy.

It was not immediately known if the technique was used on Suleman.

norm · February 2009

hey helen...is ok for this woman's mother to judge?

The mother of the woman who used a fertility doctor to give birth to octuplets, despite already having six young children, called her daughter's actions "unconscionable" in an interview posted online Sunday.

http://cbs2.com/local/Octuplets.Nadya.S ... 30283.html

:roll:

AmentsChick · February 2009

norm wrote:

hey helen...is ok for this woman's mother to judge?

The mother of the woman who used a fertility doctor to give birth to octuplets, despite already having six young children, called her daughter's actions "unconscionable" in an interview posted online Sunday.

http://cbs2.com/local/Octuplets.Nadya.S ... 30283.html

:roll:

According to HH, no...

Heineken Helen · February 2009

norm wrote:

hey helen...is ok for this woman's mother to judge?

The mother of the woman who used a fertility doctor to give birth to octuplets, despite already having six young children, called her daughter's actions "unconscionable" in an interview posted online Sunday.

http://cbs2.com/local/Octuplets.Nadya.S ... 30283.html

:roll:

Of course it is

that's what moms do best

Lizard · February 2009

is it wrong for me to laugh at this??!!!

SPEEDY MCCREADY · February 2009

i dont give a rats ass how many babies this lady has.....
i dont give a rats ass how she supports them.....
i dont give a rats ass if she is on welfare....
i dont give a rats ass if she collects food stamps....
i dont give a rats ass if she....and all 14 kids end up in straight jackets at any point in their lives....
i dont give a rats ass if in 2 years this lady is back in the news because she gave birth to 8 chimpanzees.....

it doesnt mean a fucking thing to me.............

Cinnamon Girl · February 2009

Lizard wrote:

is it wrong for me to laugh at this??!!!

LOL!!!

Heatherj43 · February 2009

Her reasoning is so off. She says she will have enough money to raise them when she finishes school!!! Wow, she's out of touch. Many college educated people are out of work. Plus, who wil be taking care of all those kids while she works. She sounds clueless as to how much this is going to cost. Even with a good paying job, there is no way she can afford them. I am betting that she is betting on one of those TV series that are on now about multiple kids as one source of income and commercials, etc.
It seems unfair to the kids. And I think they need a father. That is why it normally takes a man and a woman to create children, cuz both are needed in different ways. I didn't always think this. I raised my kids alone, but with age I now know they do.
Time will tell about this entire thing.
EDIT: I missed the part about she lives with her mom. I'd be pissed if my daughter did this while living with me. I can just imagine being expected to be a live in babysitter and adding financial support. I raised my kids and would not want to raise theirs. Thats just insane! This chick is out of touch, period.

patrickredeyes · February 2009

AmentsChick wrote:

So we're all in agreement that Nadya Suleman has some serious mental problems, right?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/

Agree

pickupyourwill · February 2009

norm wrote:

don't get me started on the waste of life :evil:

i think those are too harsh of words. nobody is a waste of space or skin or life.

decides2dream · February 2009

Lizard wrote:

is it wrong for me to laugh at this??!!!

not at all....THAt is hysterical!
in a bizarrely sad way!

norm · February 2009

pickupyourwill wrote:

norm wrote:

don't get me started on the waste of life :evil:

i think those are too harsh of words. nobody is a waste of space or skin or life.

my words are not harsh enough

blackredyellow · February 2009

Heatherj43 wrote:

Her reasoning is so off. She says she will have enough money to raise them when she finishes school!!! Wow, she's out of touch. Many college educated people are out of work. Plus, who wil be taking care of all those kids while she works. She sounds clueless as to how much this is going to cost. Even with a good paying job, there is no way she can afford them. I am betting that she is betting on one of those TV series that are on now about multiple kids as one source of income and commercials, etc.

“I know I'll be able to afford them when I'm done with my schooling,” the 33-year-old single mom replied.

That line cracked me up... How the fuck are you going to have a job while taking care of 14 kids? Is she that detached from reality????

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