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AmentsChick wrote:

Doctors are only allowed to implant NO MORE than 2 embryos at a time in women under 35

Is that true? (Seriously, I don't know.) I thought they usually implanted a bunch, expecting only one or two to make it. If you have any info on this, I'd be interested. (If not, don't worry about it.)

iluvcats

decides2dream wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

no...not selfish at all of her. :roll:
her absolute need for such attention is disgusting.
the fact that she is getting interviews, thinking of book and movie deals, etc....repulses me. the fact that people will buy said books or watch said movies, fueling such behavior, is also sickening. it is ethically reprehensible in my mind to allow medicine to interven to such a degree. there absolutely should be restirctions on such procedures. as been said often enough, it's not just a question of if you CAN...but if you SHOULD.

I couldn't agree with you more on this! I hate that she'll get book deals, tv deals, movie deals, free diapers, free food, cash donations etc.

It makes me sick. It basically comes down to her desperate need for attention. And, as I said before, the ones who will suffer the most are the kids, it's devastating! I think I read somewhere that 2 of her older children have some mental/physical health issues.

it's utterly repulsive, on all levels in my mind. here is a procedure to help women/couple swho desperately want to have a child of their own...and it's twisted into this perverse/disgusting thing. and yes, many, many multiplebirths that arose from in vitro also come link with health issues, for life, for mny of these children. why willing pursue such? and reading the article in your first post, it says ALL her children were conceived thru IVF, and all proceudres thru this one clinic....wtf?! these children will suffer...and/or become fodder to the bizarre celebrity mill in childhood and perhaps older. gross. it is taking having children to such a disgusting level i'd not even imagine. those poor, poor children indeed...she is not a healthy mom.

I agree there is something wrong with her. The other day, the grandmom was on some show and they showed the current, crowded (dirty) condition of her home from the six older children. They said there was food smeared on the walls and the closet was utter chaos. This has nothing to do with her having 14 kids, I'm wondering if she had some bad plastic surgery on her lips. Also, I'm tired of everyone nowadays becoming famous. She's famous now b/c she had 14 kids. The internet is helping to spread the word about what an ill person she is (and sadly, we're spreading it here.) I feel soooo sorry for grandparents who have to step in for their irresponsible kids.

Heineken Helen

AmentsChick wrote:

Also, for those who aren't aware...she paid for the fertility treatments with money from a WORKER'S COMP settlement.

what's wrong with that? It was her money to do with as she pleased.

Seriously who's anyone to judge her? If it's for having the implants well I'm not sure how I feel about that morally speaking... BUT if it's for having 14 kids yet not having a proper job... it's what she wanted. Sounds like she's got plenty of love to give them. There were THREE families in my neighbourhood with over 16 kids (2 16 and 1 20) and they were working class. Oh and how's she gonna pay for the kids? All the bloody interviews... ya don't think she's doing it for free? A book, probably a film and possibly a reality show will also earn her a FORTUNE... so stop worrying about your taxes.

Heineken Helen

scb wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Doctors are only allowed to implant NO MORE than 2 embryos at a time in women under 35

Is that true? (Seriously, I don't know.) I thought they usually implanted a bunch, expecting only one or two to make it. If you have any info on this, I'd be interested. (If not, don't worry about it.)

I thought so too :oops:

pjsteelerfan

I have not read the whole thread on her, but doen't she already have like 6 kids? And where is the father?

decides2dream

AmentsChick wrote:

Yup, and the doctor is being investigated since what he did was clearly unethical. Doctors are only allowed to implant NO MORE than 2 embryos at a time in women under 35 and he implanted 6 (two split into twins)!!!!!!!!!! At $16,000 a pop that's what...I don't know...alot of money. And, again, paid for with worker's comp money.

I'm sickened and sooooooooo saddened by this.

i did not know this! that IS how it should be, b/c really.....it's not the wisest to have triplets or more...for anyone, parent or child. sure, if it happens naturally, so it goes....but when it happns b/c of medical intervention....just not a good idea on so many levels imo. so this doctor absolutely should be investigated! and it amazes me that she HAs all this $$$ for IVF.....plastic surgery.....apparently manicures . i just think of how many people, couples and single parents, who work so hard to provide for their families, do so much to HAVE a family...are responsible and considering about it all....and then this woman. truly, she shoyuld not have these children b/c how can she possibly CARE for them all, let alone provide for them? and she thinks as a single mother, even with a master's in counseling, THAT will be enough for her to support 14 kids w/o assistance? wtf planet does she live on?!

i just had lunch and she was on the news....and i saw the nails...and her 'explanation' that she is not on welfare, etc, etc. sorry, even if you deserve the $$$, ANY public assistance, imo, you should NOT be going and having MORE kids! ugh! i don't know why this pisss me off so....but it does.





and cats...apparently she has had a nose job and her lips done. i am amazed at the funds she has for all this 'stuff'.....and how she willingly went out of her way to bring 14 children into this world, who will be forever suffering mental and physical issues b/vc of her selfishness, let alone the emotional problems sure to be borne of this horrendous situation.

decides2dream

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I have not read the whole thread on her, but doen't she already have like 6 kids? And where is the father?

the 'father' is a sperm donor. she used the same donor for ALL of her 14 children, as she conceived them all thru IVF. that alone is disgusting. i don't think anyone should be allowed to undergo that many IVF treatments, for their own health, and for healthy children.


i read that she 'hopes one day the father might like to be involved in the kid's lives.' :roll: seriously...he's a sperm donor!

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Also, for those who aren't aware...she paid for the fertility treatments with money from a WORKER'S COMP settlement.

what's wrong with that? It was her money to do with as she pleased.

Seriously who's anyone to judge her? If it's for having the implants well I'm not sure how I feel about that morally speaking... BUT if it's for having 14 kids yet not having a proper job... it's what she wanted. Sounds like she's got plenty of love to give them. There were THREE families in my neighbourhood with over 16 kids (2 16 and 1 20) and they were working class. Oh and how's she gonna pay for the kids? All the bloody interviews... ya don't think she's doing it for free? A book, probably a film and possibly a reality show will also earn her a FORTUNE... so stop worrying about your taxes.

wow.
so you don;t find it all selfish of her to want 14 kids...all on her own...and you think ONE person can properly support, emotionally, physically and financially, 14 children? and these kids will have a lifetime of health issues....so not your run-of-the-mill kids. but it's all ok just b'c 'it's what she wanted'.....? really? i find it disgustingly selfish. and it's got nothing to do with $$$. i grew up with many families who had 8-9 kids, i work with a few people who come from such large families...but you bet, they had family and support....and none were using public assistance. the fact that she will probably get book deals, movie deals.....all BECAUSE she choose this route....i find rather sickening, b/c w/o having all these children, she'd not get these book deals, movie deals, etc. i am all for live and let live...but quite honestly, i think this situation is far beyond that. absolutely differing perspectives there. and if we want to 'worry about our taxes'...i think it's fair to do so. i'd hate to think of others going ahead and saying 'hey! we can have plenty of babies with no worries, no money, no support...it'll be fine!' b/ that is just irresponsible, to your children...forget taking advantage of your fellow citizens.


btw - so far, she's not been paid for any interviews. altho i am sure she most definitely will make some $$$. all b/c she willingly chose, wrongly too, to use her body as a baby litter machine.


edit - quoting the article, again.....


She explained: “They’re going to watch these kids very carefully for eating problems, growing [problems], and then seizures, jaundice, heart problems, lung problems, blindness, developmental delays — there’s a laundry list of things. Long term, because some of these children will be physically or mentally challenged, there’s a looming price tag out here. The hospital bill alone will run $1.5 to $3 million. Forget about getting to college; just to get through special-needs stuff — it’s going to have to come from somewhere, either the taxpayers of California or her family or her church or the hospital. But she can’t do it alone.”

NBC contributor and psychiatrist Dr. Gail Saltz added that there will be emotional issues to deal with as well. “Undoubtedly these eight children are going to have issues: at the minimum, the issue of neglect,” Saltz told Lauer.

“Obviously, she’s saying she’s going to love them, but there are 14 children and [only] one of her,” Saltz continued. “There’s going to be an absence of some emotional needs. There will probably be developmental delays at best in these children; maybe learning disabilities. There are going to be major issues that they’re going to need various therapies for.”





you think this is all 'ok'...simply b/c she wanted them? :roll:

Heineken Helen

decides2dream wrote:

wow.
so you don;t find it all selfish of her to want 14 kids...all on her own...and you think ONE person can properly support, emotionally, physically and financially, 14 children? and these kids will have a lifetime of health issues....so not your run-of-the-mill kids. but it's all ok just b'c 'it's what she wanted'.....? really? i find it disgustingly selfish. and it's got nothing to do with $$$. i grew up with many families who had 8-9 kids, i work with a few people who come from such large families...but you bet, they had family and support....and none were using public assistance. the fact that she will probably get book deals, movie deals.....all BECAUSE she choose this route....i find rather sickening, b/c w/o having all these children, she'd not get these book deals, movie deals, etc. i am all for live and let live...but quite honestly, i think this situation is far beyond that. absolutely differing perspectives there. and if we want to 'worry about our taxes'...i think it's fair to do so. i'd hate to think of others going ahead and saying 'hey! we can have plenty of babies with no worries, no money, no support...it'll be fine!' b/ that is just irresponsible, to your children...forget taking advantage of your fellow citizens.


btw - so far, she's not been paid for any interviews. altho i am sure she most definitely will make some $$$. all b/c she willingly chose, wrongly too, to use her body as a baby litter machine.

They MAY have health issues... it was obvious that article was seriously biased anyway. Any child could be born with health issues. So is it that you're jealous of her getting all this attention cos she's 'done nothing' (apart from giving birth to 14 kids... :shock: that DESERVES a movie deal )

There's nothing wrong with being a single parent either... doesn't matter how many kids you have. The families I know were lucky that neither parent died cos that woulda made the other one a single parent. It's just the JUDGING going on is unreal. If someone wants millions of kids well let them, it's not something I'D ever choose to do... but i'm not gonna judge someone cos they want something different. But you keep going on about her manicures and stuff :oops: what's THAT got to do with anything? Maybe NBC or whatever let them get their nails done before going on... maybe she's got a friend who's a beautician.. who the fuck knows... but you seem to think you do :?

meme

scb wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Doctors are only allowed to implant NO MORE than 2 embryos at a time in women under 35

Is that true? (Seriously, I don't know.) I thought they usually implanted a bunch, expecting only one or two to make it. If you have any info on this, I'd be interested. (If not, don't worry about it.)

In many European countries there's a limit by law. I believe here, federally, it's an ethics matter.

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

wow.
so you don;t find it all selfish of her to want 14 kids...all on her own...and you think ONE person can properly support, emotionally, physically and financially, 14 children? and these kids will have a lifetime of health issues....so not your run-of-the-mill kids. but it's all ok just b'c 'it's what she wanted'.....? really? i find it disgustingly selfish. and it's got nothing to do with $$$. i grew up with many families who had 8-9 kids, i work with a few people who come from such large families...but you bet, they had family and support....and none were using public assistance. the fact that she will probably get book deals, movie deals.....all BECAUSE she choose this route....i find rather sickening, b/c w/o having all these children, she'd not get these book deals, movie deals, etc. i am all for live and let live...but quite honestly, i think this situation is far beyond that. absolutely differing perspectives there. and if we want to 'worry about our taxes'...i think it's fair to do so. i'd hate to think of others going ahead and saying 'hey! we can have plenty of babies with no worries, no money, no support...it'll be fine!' b/ that is just irresponsible, to your children...forget taking advantage of your fellow citizens.


btw - so far, she's not been paid for any interviews. altho i am sure she most definitely will make some $$$. all b/c she willingly chose, wrongly too, to use her body as a baby litter machine.

They MAY have health issues... it was obvious that article was seriously biased anyway. Any child could be born with health issues. So is it that you're jealous of her getting all this attention cos she's 'done nothing' (apart from giving birth to 14 kids... :shock: that DESERVES a movie deal )

There's nothing wrong with being a single parent either... doesn't matter how many kids you have. The families I know were lucky that neither parent died cos that woulda made the other one a single parent. It's just the JUDGING going on is unreal. If someone wants millions of kids well let them, it's not something I'D ever choose to do... but i'm not gonna judge someone cos they want something different. But you keep going on about her manicures and stuff :oops: what's THAT got to do with anything? Maybe NBC or whatever let them get their nails done before going on... maybe she's got a friend who's a beautician.. who the fuck knows... but you seem to think you do :?

i AM judging, b/c i think it's wrong. period.


funny how you always seem to think it's jealosy...wtf do i have to be jealous of here? i don;t care if she gets attention or whatever else...i just think it's wrong for the children! and this isn;t someone going out and getting knocked up...this is seeking and getting...medical intervention to do so! BIG difference in my mind. and i brought up the manicures...and the plastic surgery...b/c i think anyone receiving food stmps and public assitance should use their $$$ to support their families first, again....yes...i am judging. and who i am to judge? no one, just like anyone else. but you go out on the news, in the paper, on tv...you are setting yourself up to be scrutinized. i am discussing her on a message board. oh my.


if someone wants to have 14 kids...more power to em! but as someone already mentioned, she should NOT have been allowed to have that many embryos implanted in the first place...and secondly...she is going about it thru medical means. and i have zero issue with single moms. i think if a woman, or a man, wants a child...they absolutely should be able to have em...however i also think they should be able to afford em, and yes, be realistic about what needs they can meet on their own.


as to the health issues, absolutely....ANY child can be born with health issues. however, if you do any research into IVF, it is a LOT more common for such children to have physcial or mental issues, lerning delays, etc....and multiples births in general up that ante considerably as well. so i personally find it reprehensible to willingly choose that. yes, again, judging. i never said i was doing anything but judging. and it's certainly my 'right'...b/c my judgements mean nothing to anyone.


sorry if i actually believe a parent should be fit to CARe for all the children they want, not selfishly go on and have 'millions of kids' simply b/c 'they want them.' they are not dolls to collect, they are children and they deserve more than that. you disagree...cool. but you bet i'm judging and i'm ok with that. you're judging me by saying i am jealous...whatever...we all judge all the time, whether we admit it or not. i am merely assessing the situation from my perspective, and i think it's disgusting. so what? she still did what she did, gets what she wants...what i say has no bearing on it. and i still say, those poor children.

Lizard

As a child in a family of 8 I can say there is gonna be a big difference between having kids with a space in between them vs. have 8 at once!!! and she DOES not have enough resources to do so. I have 2 kids and that's what I can afford. You cannot have kids assuming your parents will help you raise them

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as her past actions with her other 6 kids would indicate.

Heineken Helen

I just got that impression cos you mentioned her nails at LEAST twice. Well like you always say... you're entitled to your opinion. I just think your opinion in this case is about judging somebody you know nothing about. I'm not in the business of doing that.

You don't know whether she's fit to care for them or not... I'm sure social services will be all over this one and, if she puts a foot wrong, they'll take care of it. I'm sure they don't go making judgments about people they've never met... well I hope not.

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

I just got that impression cos you mentioned her nails at LEAST twice. Well like you always say... you're entitled to your opinion. I just think your opinion in this case is about judging somebody you know nothing about. I'm not in the business of doing that.
You don't know whether she's fit to care for them or not... I'm sure social services will be all over this one and, if she puts a foot wrong, they'll take care of it. I'm sure they don't go making judgments about people they've never met... well I hope not.

hahahahahahahahaha...whatever! you do it ALL the time, right here! in resonse to people's comments, etc. again, we ALL do..so spare me. i am no more unfairly judging her than anyone else i derive any sort of opinion on bsased on what i read about them.

if you have a problem with people judging here, well...too bad.
this is a discussion about her...i find that j'judgements' will come into play. i may not know everything about her, but i do know a few things...and quite honestly..i don't care WHO it is...i don't think anyone can truly and properly care for 14 kids all on their own. and amongst average people, pretty damn difficult if not near impossible to support said children. to willingly go out of your way to HAVE that many children, especially all at once...imo is wrong. but sure, we're all entitled to our opinions...just seemed to ME that YOU were actually judging all in here simply for expressing them!

Lizard wrote:

As a child in a family of 8 I can say there is gonna be a big difference between having kids with a space in between them vs. have 8 at once!!! and she DOES not have enough resources to do so. I have 2 kids and that's what I can afford. You cannot have kids assuming your parents will help you raise them

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as her past actions with her other 6 kids would indicate.

exactly.
choosing the responsible route, especially for your children...what a novel concept eh? we're not talking about many children over many years, or a woman left a widow, etc...we're talking about a woman, all on her own, CHOOSING to have this many children when she clearly cannot afford them financially...and quite honestly, emotionally, physically, mentally...it will all be a toll, on all involved. THAt is selfishness to me. yes, there i go judging again. and i don't really give a shit when people are selfish, c'est la vie and all that...but when it involved other LIVES, yes i do.

Brain of J.Lo

I think she is a total nutcase, and I am completely unwilling to see it any other way.

Heineken Helen

decides2dream wrote:

hahahahahahahahaha...whatever! you do it ALL the time, right here! in resonse to people's comments, etc. again, we ALL do..so spare me. i am no more unfairly judging her than anyone else i derive any sort of opinion on bsased on what i read about them.

if you have a problem with people judging here, well...too bad.
this is a discussion about her...i find that j'judgements' will come into play. i may not know everything about her, but i do know a few things...and quite honestly..i don't care WHO it is...i don't think anyone can truly and properly care for 14 kids all on their own. and amongst average people, pretty damn difficult if not near impossible to support said children. to willingly go out of your way to HAVE that many children, especially all at once...imo is wrong. but sure, we're all entitled to our opinions...just seemed to ME that YOU were actually judging all in here simply for expressing them!

lol, I'll feel free to refer to this post at my discretion in the future then... since we ALL do it

And lol, I was judging people for judging??????????????? so nobody has the right to call someone on being judgmental, lest they become judgmental themselves???? ah fuck it, you have your opinion, it's wrong... I've mine and it's right... that's me done with this topic

Brain of J.Lo

Lizard wrote:

- Is she TRYING to look like Angelina Jolie??

I think she is. Has she actually had plastic surgery, or is that just a rumor?

Brain of J.Lo

AmentsChick wrote:

Lizard wrote:

Aahhh!!! she drives me crazy!!

- Is she TRYING to look like Angelina Jolie??

Yes, she had plastic surgery to enchance her lips and nose to look like AJ. CREEPY!

Ok, there's my answer.
Maybe she has some sick fascination with Angelina and that's part of what's driving her to have all these babies.

I'm fascinated by it all, too. I just can't understand it. Can you imagine how noisy that household will be when those kids are all 2 years old???? That is just one of my objections to all of this!

pjsteelerfan

decides2dream wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I have not read the whole thread on her, but doen't she already have like 6 kids? And where is the father?

the 'father' is a sperm donor. she used the same donor for ALL of her 14 children, as she conceived them all thru IVF. that alone is disgusting. i don't think anyone should be allowed to undergo that many IVF treatments, for their own health, and for healthy children.


i read that she 'hopes one day the father might like to be involved in the kid's lives.' :roll: seriously...he's a sperm donor!

I did not know that, I thought there may be a father for the first six. That is crazy.

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

hahahahahahahahaha...whatever! you do it ALL the time, right here! in resonse to people's comments, etc. again, we ALL do..so spare me. i am no more unfairly judging her than anyone else i derive any sort of opinion on bsased on what i read about them.

if you have a problem with people judging here, well...too bad.
this is a discussion about her...i find that j'judgements' will come into play. i may not know everything about her, but i do know a few things...and quite honestly..i don't care WHO it is...i don't think anyone can truly and properly care for 14 kids all on their own. and amongst average people, pretty damn difficult if not near impossible to support said children. to willingly go out of your way to HAVE that many children, especially all at once...imo is wrong. but sure, we're all entitled to our opinions...just seemed to ME that YOU were actually judging all in here simply for expressing them!

lol, I'll feel free to refer to this post at my discretion in the future then... since we ALL do it

And lol, I was judging people for judging??????????????? so nobody has the right to call someone on being judgmental, lest they become judgmental themselves???? ah fuck it, you have your opinion, it's wrong... I've mine and it's right... that's me done with this topic

we do all do it, to think otherwise is silly. we all form opinions, which are 'judgements' of some form...by what we infer from people's posts,m interactions..or sure...what we read and see within the media of people we don't know. even just one 'real-life' interaction isn't 'knowing' someone...but we still form opinions and make judgements to some extent. it's human nature, natural, instinctual.


people can 'call' people on whatever they want....but you bet, there are times when i find being 'judgemental' a-ok, this being one of em. hahahahaha on 'your opinion' being *right*...but sure, in your mind...it IS right, as mine is in my mind...so all good! there is no 'right' or 'wrong' there per se.......but sure, i DO believe what this woman did was 'wrong'! doesn't make me 'right'....it's just what i think!


and cool.

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I think she is a total nutcase, and I am completely unwilling to see it any other way.:)

exactly.
thank you for that most judgemental...and yet i would deem entirely accurate and concise...post.