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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    soulsinging wrote:
    true enough. speaking of, radiohead sucks these days ;)
    Fuck you :D

    but seriously, I enjoy your posts. I don't want every response here to be neutral and sycophantic.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    perhaps your experience has been different from mine. in my xp, people will do what suits them best and not give a damn about the "collateral damage" to others.

    this is really really sad. Hurting people's feelings is unavoidable in many situations, it is a part of life. However, when most people have to hurt someone's feelings, for whatever reason, they feel bad about it. it's called empathy (you wouldn't know this term as you're antisocial).

    I honestly don't know who you hang out with, they sound like horrible people. but of course maybe horrible people gravitate toward each other.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Rygar wrote:
    You have a problem with cheese, tough guy?
    Not at all, though stronger cheeses don't seem to agree with me :)
    point is, I find the resistance that some people have to interesting discussion bewildering. Even if that discussion is a little drawn out and even offensive at times.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    wait a minute... did you just say men and women are sort of different?

    you see dear, boys have penises and girls have vaginas. girls can give birth to babies and boys can't.
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,712
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Not at all, though stronger cheeses don't seem to agree with me :)
    point is, I find the resistance that some people have to interesting discussion bewildering. Even if that discussion is a little drawn out and even offensive at times.
    ok, well as long as you aren't bashing cheese...
  • wash_
    wash_ Posts: 1,073
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Not at all, though stronger cheeses don't seem to agree with me :)
    point is, I find the resistance that some people have to interesting discussion bewildering. Even if that discussion is a little drawn out and even offensive at times.

    A good debate is brilliant. My family all love a good heated discussion.

    But it gets unsavoury when people get personal, like it has done. That's not needed. But on the whole, this topic has made people think so it's all a good thing.
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :D I think both sexes need a lot of emotional protection... it's just that women are more likely to go looking for that. Men often feel the need to put a manly front on things and 'be strong'.


    I think the stereotypical traditional roles of men and women aren't far wrong... but things always sway too far one way and have to be put back, then go too far again... it's a vicious circle.

    I agree. Society needs to be pulled back and reminded that we get carried away.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    wash_ wrote:
    A good debate is brilliant. My family all love a good heated discussion.
    me too... but unfortunately ss just wants me to say 'yes ss you're right and I'm wrong' rather than have an interesting discussion... when there IS no right or wrong and it's all opinions... I've had to put him on ignore again :( so that's the end of the fun.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
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    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    wash_ wrote:
    I agree. Society needs to be pulled back and reminded that we get carried away.
    very few unfortunately.

    A guy and a girl got on the train the other day and there was one seat, he stood back offering it to her and she was all like 'oh nonono you have it... equal rights and all that' and giggled whilst fluttering her eyelashes :confused: since when does equal rights have anything to do with women standing up and men having the seat? :D pathetic.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    wash_ wrote:
    A good debate is brilliant.
    Very true.

    Unfortunately, the one in this thread is retarded haha
  • wash_
    wash_ Posts: 1,073
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    me too... but unfortunately ss just wants me to say 'yes ss you're right and I'm wrong' rather than have an interesting discussion... when there IS no right or wrong and it's all opinions... I've had to put him on ignore again :( so that's the end of the fun.

    You're wise to do so.
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    very few unfortunately.

    A guy and a girl got on the train the other day and there was one seat, he stood back offering it to her and she was all like 'oh nonono you have it... equal rights and all that' and giggled whilst fluttering her eyelashes :confused: since when does equal rights have anything to do with women standing up and men having the seat? :D pathetic.


    You're kidding me?! No wonder Men don't have a clue! :D
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    you see dear, boys have penises and girls have vaginas. girls can give birth to babies and boys can't.

    dont dodge the question. you just said men and women act differently sometimes, didnt you?
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    Saturnal wrote:
    Very true.

    Unfortunately, the one in this thread is retarded haha

    yup.
  • wash_
    wash_ Posts: 1,073
    soulsinging wrote:
    dont dodge the question. you just said men and women act differently sometimes, didnt you?

    I didnt think anybody denied that. Of course men and women act differently sometimes. If a woman is lost she'll ask someone for directions. Men don't. Affects their ego or something.

    :p:D
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  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    dont dodge the question. you just said men and women act differently sometimes, didnt you?

    I wasn't dodging the question. I'm talking biology, instincts, physicality-Wash brought up "nature". my point was that there are obvious physical differences between males and females. Women have maternal instincts, so they are obviously protectors in that regard (but as a woman I can say that these instincts don't stick just to offspring or children-when anyone I care about, often men, are upset or hurt, it is my instinct to help and take care of them. You can feel where it's stemming from, the need to protect-and I actually read that this is even more pronounced in oldest children with younger brothers, like myself). Men are bigger so they are obviously protectors in that regard. I don't think either sex has a predetermined nature to be "submissive" though. If an individual behaves as such that is either 1) a "nurture" as opposed to nature issue and 2) just who that individual is.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    wash_ wrote:
    I didnt think anybody denied that. Of course men and women act differently sometimes. If a woman is lost she'll ask someone for directions. Men don't. Affects their ego or something.

    :p:D

    but see this is different than what I was saying...I've learned that those stereotypes and generalizations mean nothing...some of my girlfriends would rather die lost in the desert than ask directions.
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    I've been told I have gentle hands.....

    it was really sweet she told me that......
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    wash_ wrote:
    I didnt think anybody denied that. Of course men and women act differently sometimes. If a woman is lost she'll ask someone for directions. Men don't. Affects their ego or something.

    :p:D

    yet i am crucified anytime i say that becos my tone is less forgiving and i am more critical and honest about when those differences are negative.

    i have no problem asking for directions. but i dont get all fired up and pissed off and defensive when women say that. why? becos it's generally true and for all the reasons they offer it. even if it doesn't apply to me, i can recognize and admit the truth at the heart of it.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    I wasn't dodging the question. I'm talking biology, instincts, physicality-Wash brought up "nature". my point was that there are obvious physical differences between males and females. Women have maternal instincts, so they are obviously protectors in that regard (but as a woman I can say that these instincts don't stick just to offspring or children-when anyone I care about, often men, are upset or hurt, it is my instinct to help and take care of them. You can feel where it's stemming from, the need to protect-and I actually read that this is even more pronounced in oldest children with younger brothers, like myself). Men are bigger so they are obviously protectors in that regard. I don't think either sex has a predetermined nature to be "submissive" though. If an individual behaves as such that is either 1) a "nurture" as opposed to nature issue and 2) just who that individual is.

    women have maternal instincts. men don't. women have different hormone levels than men. these all drive behaviors and responses. my point is we should not try to pretend these differences do not exist, we should acknowledge them and figure out how to work around them.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    but see this is different than what I was saying...I've learned that those stereotypes and generalizations mean nothing...some of my girlfriends would rather die lost in the desert than ask directions.

    there's an interesting (though only tangentially relevant) article i recently came across. im unconvinced by much of it, but it does contain one statement i feel like should be attached to every post i make (edited slightly to make it less specific):

    "Obviously, these are gross generalizations. Nobody believes Michael Jackson could beat up kung-fu star Jackie Chan or that comedienne Margaret Cho is lovelier than Sports Illustrated swimsuit covergirl Tyra Banks. BUT LIFE IS A GAME OF PROBABILITIES, NOT OF ABSTRACT PLATONIC ESSENCES."

    that is why the fact that you can think of some friends who don't fit that stereotypes does not matter. stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason... becos they are notable behaviors common to various groups. when you use them to hold people hostage or demean them, that is bad and irresponsible. but there is nothing wrong with speaking in generalities per se... in fact, that is what the entire discipline of sociology is about. it is how we do marketing and pr. it is why there is debate now over whether or not obama can take enough of the latino vote from hillary to win. not becos anyone noting that trend is a dirty racist or becos every latino will vote for hillary: becos it is a notable and substantive trend that is useful for planning and adjusting various behavior strategies.

    and to demonstrate that this is what i am doing, and that i am not actually a hateful sexist bastard, here's a link to a humorous website based on stereotypes that i actually think is completely true and excoriates MEN in the same fashion you all feel i do women:

    http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml

    here's the link to the article i quoted from above.

    http://www.isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    women have maternal instincts. men don't. women have different hormone levels than men. these all drive behaviors and responses. my point is we should not try to pretend these differences do not exist, we should acknowledge them and figure out how to work around them.

    I never said these difference don't exist. As someone that struggles with female hormonal problems, I think it's often understated. I just disagree with your very harsh view of relationships between men and women.

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