"Breastfeeding Moms Protest H&M"

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I was simply responding to your apparent refusal to accept that humans are animals who are meant to feed their children with human milk.

Do you think they aren't?

This is ridiculous.

Humans are animals. Yes, I never claimed otherwise.
Breastfeeding is natural. I never claimed otherwise.

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I didn't twist the argument. Collin seemed to be trying to make a point that saying breastfeeding is natural isn't a good enough reason to do it. I didn't understand why he was trying to make that point and wanted him to clarify.

Because you are trying to make the point that it is part of nature, like a mama bear feeding her cub. Well, there is a glaring hole in your argument that Collin was pointing out; YOU ARE NOT A WILD ANIMAL IN THE JUNGLE.

comebackgirl wrote:

you lost me. We're talking about the woman's breast used to feed the child, right? Being used to feed...not for a sexual purposed. I don't think she mentioned anything about children's sexual organs

Nothing sexual about feeding a child.
Nothing sexual about a child running around having fun.

It's as simple as that.

comebackgirl wrote:

they're everywhere! :eek:

Yes. There is a lovely pair of them bouncing around in this thread right now.

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

So North America is more highly evolved than European nations where breastfeeding is accepted and encouraged.

Fucking hell, no wonder the rest of the world hates us. :rolleyes:

Again, stop twisting the argument. I never said anything about better or worse. Just pointing out differences. For it is your immediate b-line to that idea that because we are different, we are better is why the rest of the world hates us. I was simply confirming with you that the culture here is different. We have (and I maybe poorly chose the word) "evolve" to help that point. Replace "evolve" with grow, change, decided we had different ideas. Whatever.

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

And because breastfeeding is natural, it should not be discouraged simply because some people associate breasts solely with sexuality.

And because nudity is natural, it should not be discouraged simply because some people associate nudity soley with sexuality.

comebackgirl wrote:

I do think discretion is key...and I would think most breastfeeding mothers use as much discretion as possible. And I think that's the point - if you stop and stare you may see more than you're comfortable with...so don't. Feeding is not something we typically do in private, unlike taking a shit or having sex.

Do you agree with the protest?

Collin wrote:

Do you agree with the protest?

No. I do think it's ridiculous that breastfeeding (or the problems with it) ever got to be an issue that had to be protested in the first place.

aNiMaL wrote:

Again, no one said breastfeeding is discouraged. Just use some discretion in public. Wow, you sure are all over the map with your argument.

How am I all over the map? My argument has been that breastfeeding should be done whenever/wherever necessary, and that people should just look the other way if it bothers them. I also made the point that, aside from the very occasional protest (which I do not think is necessary or helpful to the cause), mothers do use discretion.

Medicated-Genius wrote:

The over zealous "I have a right" types wouldn't need to be the over zealous "I have a right" types if people didn't have the attitude that they don't have a right to breastfeed their babies in public.

I don't think we are talking about the same types of people, I'm referring (as someone else so delicately put it!) to the "pigs" who will merrily flop their boob out anywhere they like becasue they just don't give a damn about anybody else's feeling or whether it is an appropriate place.

Medicated-Genius wrote:

For a start, just because one has a baby, does not mean that other needs don't need to be met. Grocery shopping for instance, clothes shopping.... etc.

I totally agree with you, I just don't buy the argument that this particular woman couldn't have found a more suitable and practical place to feed her child. Like someone else said, most women in this situation would go and find a bench or a cafe or the food court in a shopping centre - that's just plain logic to me.

Medicated-Genius wrote:

Western cultures are the only one's who have really overly sexualized the breast and made it shameful to do something thats not only natural, but also the best possible thing you can do for your baby.

I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. There is much scientific evidence to show that a human female's breasts are primarily there for sexual attraction. Only a small percentage of a breast is made up of mammary glands which produce milk, the rest is made up of fat and conjunctive tissue. Many primates have a flat chest with a long nipple, which is far more conducive to breast feeding as it allows the baby to breath properly. Essentially what all this means, is that if breasts were only there for feeding purposes they wouldn't need to be anywhere near the size they are. There's a longer explanation as to why they have evolved to be bigger over time, which I will happily find you a link for.

Medicated-Genius wrote:

You mentioned attachment parenting types as well........... these people account for the majority of parents in the world. People who separate themselves from their babies, put them in cots in another room, try to force them to sleep alone and leave them for long periods of time, are in the minority.

How you would have any way of quantifying your beliefs I do not know. And once again I think we are talking about different types of people. I'm referring to people who allow their toddlers to sleep in bed with them, who breast feed til 4 years + (or eight years as was posted in that video! :eek: ), and who generally do everything they can to prevent their child developing a sense of independence (albeit unknowingly).

Medicated-Genius wrote:

Why should a woman, who is perfectly equipped to feed her baby when her baby needs to be fed, have to go through the sometimes excruciating process of expressing breast milk, sterilizing bottles and teats, searching out places that have the facilities to warm up the milk just to go down to the store, simply so people like you don't have to put up with the over zealous "I have a right" types?

I'm sorry but just because someone has a baby, doesn't give them a god-given right to completely disregard the feelings or thoughts of others. Reading though the cross-section of opinions on this thread ought to give you some idea of people's differing opinions in society.