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  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    its gonna be a long year at the bell centre :)
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    its gonna be a long year at the bell centre :)

    I think so, but at least we still sell out every game.
  • NY PJ1
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    Rygar wrote:
    I think so, but at least we still sell out every game.


    i know ur not talking about msg 18,200 every game
    including me in the last row
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    i know ur not talking about msg 18,200 every game
    including me in the last row

    18200 is a good number, but still 11th.
    You know who's #1 on THAT list, my friend.

    edit - and yeah, I know you were at the games last year, commendable stuff and I'm jealous (seeing as I'm 20 hours straight drive from BC :(
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    Rygar wrote:
    18200 is a good number, but still 11th.
    You know who's #1 on THAT list, my friend.

    edit - and yeah, I know you were at the games last year, commendable stuff and I'm jealous (seeing as I'm 20 hours straight drive from BC :(


    its not the fans fault that msg only holds 18,200 we cant pack any more in

    add more seats we'll come
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    its not the fans fault that msg only holds 18,200 we cant pack any more in

    add more seats we'll come

    I'll give you that one.

    I'm out, talk later.
  • Bathgate66
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    September 06, 2007
    Ten Things I'd Hate About the Habs and Their Fans...
    ... except that there isn't enough of a rivalry there to really hate them. But let's see if we can take a stab at being humorous without being mean, and maybe be a bit informative too -- only you can be the judge of that. So, the Habs -- let's see...

    10. The "Habs" -- what's up with that? Their proper name is so unoriginal that they had to come up with a second one, Les Habitants, which in and of itself is not unusual (e.g. the Broadway Blueshirts as a second Rangers' nickname), except that they went and put an "H" inside the "C" on their jerseys to confuse the heck out of everyone.

    9. In order to understand what their local papers say about them, you need to take a Berlitz course -- and even so, even the French have a hard time understanding them.

    8. They're such fair-weather fans, that every single Montreal native I know who moved to New York (and that's not a small number) immediately became a Ranger fan.

    7. They pretend to be a small market team when in truth, in terms of hockey economics, they have one of the broadest and deepest fan bases in the NHL. They pretend to be a small market team in order to squeeze as much profit as they can out of their fan base.

    6. It wasn't enough for them to be so good all those years, they had to be ridiculously lucky on top of that, like in 1979 when they made it to the Cup final because of Boston's idiotic too many men on the ice penalty and then in the final reversed the Rangers' early dominance because Bunny Larocque (or however the heck you spell his name) was conked in the head by a puck in practice (or whatever the heck happened to him), forcing the semi-injured Ken Dryden back into net to steal the remainder of the series.

    5. They drafted Doug Wickenheiser instead of Denis Savard, passing up the Quebecois superstar during a disastrous string of top picks that lasted from 1974 until 2000 -- a quarter century of top picks that did not produce a single superstar, only a few good players in Saku Koivu, Mark Napier, and Andrew Cassells, a couple of decent defensemen and tough guys who should probably not have be drafted that high, and a whole lot of bona fide busts.

    4. They foisted Jacques Lemaire and his neutral zone trap on the NHL -- some even claim they invented the neutral zone trap, although we believe Lemaire was the culprit, bastardizing the Habs' defensive approach to hockey during their firewagon days.

    3. Claude Lemieux -- 'nuff said.

    2. Needed anglos like Dick Irvin, Toe Blake, Sam Pollock, and Scotty Bowman to manage them to success. Did a francophone ever coach or manage them to a championship season? Perron, Ruel, Demers -- a couple, but not many, that's for sure.

    1. They sit on all their Cup wins without seeming to understand that they never would have happened without the 50-mile rule -- or at least they do so without an ounce of humility. If the NHL had an 18- or 20-year-old entry draft based on reverse order of finish instead of exclusive rights to players within a 50-mile territorial radius, Rocket Richard, Henri Richard, Jean Beliveau, Jacques Plante, Yvan Cornoyer, and Jacques Lemaire, all among their top-ten all-time scoring leaders (except of course for Hall of Fame goalie Plante), would have been drafted by the Blackhawks, Rangers, Bruins, or New York Americans, the first three of those four teams being U.S.-based Original Six teams who had no hockey players within their 50-mile territories and won only three Cups between them from 1942 to 1972.

    Or to look at it another way, would they have won only two Cups in the last quarter century-plus (after winning fifteen in the prior quarter century) had they gotten BOTH Guy Lafleur AND Marcel Dionne in 1971, had gotten Savard in addition to Wickenheiser in 1980 (erasing that mistake), and had gotten Mario Lemiuex in 1984? Without the 50-mile rule, Hab management suddenly looked a lot less smart than they used to, using their top draft picks on the likes of Dan Geoffrion, Mark Lee, Robin Sadler, Alain Heroux, Eric Charron, Lindsey Vallis, Terry Ryan, and David Wilkie. Amazing what a level playing field will do to a bunch of smart people who were accustomed to enjoying such an unfair advantage all those years. But rather than recognizing any of that, their fans whine about how unfair present-day NHL economics are to their team (see reason 7)
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  • Rygar
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    While he's obviously trying to be funny, and failing, he actually seems to see truth in some of the stuff he's saying...
    Since it isn't funny, I'll just shake my head.
  • Bathgate66
    Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    Rygar wrote:
    While he's obviously trying to be funny, and failing, he actually seems to see truth in some of the stuff he's saying...
    Since it isn't funny, I'll just shake my head.


    i figured you'd at least get a kick outta it.

    hey its end of summer and camp about to open, so its all good.

    see you on the ice.

    :)
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  • Rygar
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    Bathgate66 wrote:
    i figured you'd at least get a kick outta it.

    hey its end of summer and camp about to open, so its all good.

    see you on the ice.

    :)

    Meh, the French digs weren't too bad, but it wasn't terribly funny.
    These types of things usually aren't. The one I dumped on your thread is practically the same thing only reversed.

    edit: Although I totally missed the point if he's attempting to build a rivalry between the two teams..
  • Rygar
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    MONTREAL (CP) - Carey Price has passed every test so far in junior hockey and in the American Hockey League and no one doubts he can ace the next one - making the Montreal Canadiens out of training camp.

    The 20-year-old goaltender has looked solid again in a four-day rookie camp with 26 other young hopefuls that ended at the Bell Centre on Tuesday, but the real challenge comes Friday when the NHL camp opens.

    Price will try to dislodge No.1 goalie Cristobal Huet and backup Jaroslav Halak for the starting job, otherwise he is likely to begin the season with the Hamilton Bulldogs, the team he backstopped to an AHL championship in the spring.

    "I'm happy whatever they decide to do because whatever it is, it will be the best thing," the Williams Lake, B.C., native said.

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    "If I'm up, it's great and if I'm down, that's good, too. We have a good team in Hamilton. But it would be a lot of fun to play up here and obviously, I want to play here."

    No-one's betting against it.

    In 2005, when Montreal lucked out with the fifth overall pick in the lock-out year draft lottery, they surprised many by taking the six-foot-three Tri-City goalie even though the club looked set at the time with Jose Theodore in the net.

    But Price helped Canada win gold at the 2006 world junior championship and then, after Tri-City was eliminated from the WHL playoffs, joined Hamilton and took them to the Calder Cup.

    That sparked comparisons with former great Patrick Roy, who arrived in 1985-86 after winning an AHL title and led Montreal to a Stanley Cup, but coach Guy Carbonneau and his staff have cautioned against piling pressure on Price.

    Carbonneau said he will only keep him with the NHL team if he wins the starting job. Otherwise, he prefers to give him regular work in Hamilton.

    "It's all in his hands," Carbonneau said. "We have a good group of goalies, especially the top three.

    "Halak came up last year and he was one of the best goalies in the AHL. That's what we want from our players - to dominate at whatever level they play. If Carey comes into camp and dominates, maybe the plan will change. It'll be fun to see in the pre-season who's going to be on top."

    Huet had a brilliant 2005-06 campaign after he was acquired from Los Angeles and played his way into the all-star game last season before he had injuries and his play tapered off.

    Halak starred in the AHL before moving to the NHL club in mid-season when Huet was hurt and acquitted himself well at the top level.

    The Canadiens, who cut loose former backup David Aebischer this summer, see goaltending as their deepest position and feel no need to rush Price into the NHL.

    "I like Carey, I think he's going to be a great goalie," added Carbonneau. "But Cristobal was an all-star last year. Don't push him out too fast.

    "We haven't played games yet. I want to see what he can do in the NHL. There's a big difference between junior and the AHL and a big, big difference between the AHL and the NHL."

    There will also be a battle for goaltending jobs in Hamilton, with the capable Yan Danis still in the picture and with former junior star Cedrick Desjardins knocking at the door. Desjardins was one of the top goalies in the ECHL last season.

    "It's true there's a lot of goalies here, but you have to be better than them," said Desjardins, who went to consecutive Memorial Cup tournaments with Rimouski and Quebec in 2005 and 2006, winning it on his second try. "My goal this year is to be No. 1 in Hamilton. I think I'm ready."

    While Price is the organization's top prospect, a handful of other rookies will be candidates to make the NHL club, including six-foot-five defenceman Ryan O'Byrne and forwards Kyle Chipchura and Matt d'Agostini, all from Hamilton's AHL championship team.

    "You can't find a guy who says it didn't make them a better player," Chipchura, a 2004 first-round pick, said of his AHL experience. "You find things out about yourself and about the team."

    Two newcomers, Russian defenceman Pavel Valentenko and 25-year-old Finnish forward Janne Lahti, also have a shot.

    After three days of skill development drills, Tuesday was given over to scrimmages, with youngsters Ben Maxwell, Sergei Kostitsyn and P.K. Subban also looking good.

    Carbonneau said it will up to the young players to take a job away from a player on the current NHL roster, just as he did when he snagged Dan Daoust's spot at centre at the Canadiens camp in 1982.

    The Canadiens will have three days of on-ice workouts before they begin the pre-season with a pair of home games against Pittsburgh next Monday and Tuesday.

    They will play their first six exhibition games in a seven-day span. Carbonneau said he will divide the players into two squads, each with an equal number of NHL players, for that first week, then pare the roster to 26 or 27 for the final two pre-season matches.

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  • kenshunt
    kenshunt London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,863
    Justin Pogge is better, ok maybe not, but im waiting and hoping
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  • Rygar
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    kenshunt wrote:
    Justin Pogge is better, ok maybe not, but im waiting and hoping

    I'd say Huet was a disappointment last year, but seeing as how the entire team crashed and burned come Xmas time, can't really point the finger at him.
    They shouldn't have played him the last game of the year (as it was his first game back from injury...sigh...).
    Pogge? Not likely but you never know what will happen.
  • I think the defense (including the goaltending) will be good this year.

    Huet
    Halak
    Price start in Hamilton and can be call up anytime.

    Markov - Komisarek (great first pair)
    Hamrlik - O'byrne (the kid will learn a lot with Hamrlik)
    Streit - Bouillon (Whoever he play with, Streit will be good this year and will jump up with Hamrlik on some games)

    Brisebois, Gorges
    Dandenault is out for a 7th round pick, please.

    The offense suck, unless some kids (Latendresse or Kostitsyn) jump up and score a lot of goals, would be time for Gainey to take his fingers off his nose and do something about this offense.

    Kovalev - Koivu - Kostitsyn
    Higgins - Plekanec - Ryder
    Latendresse - Smolinski - Lapierre
    Bégin - Chipchura - Kostopoulos

    I hope the young guys will deliver (O'byrne, Latendresse, Kostitsyn, Plekanec, Higgins, Lapierre, Chipchura) and that Kovalev, Markov and Koivu will be in great shape all year, cause otherwise this team won't make the playoffs, unless Huet steal the show... hmmm

    Have a nice season, GO HABS GO!
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  • Rygar
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    I think the defense (including the goaltending) will be good this year.

    Huet
    Halak
    Price start in Hamilton and can be call up anytime.

    Markov - Komisarek (great first pair)
    Hamrlik - O'byrne (the kid will learn a lot with Hamrlik)
    Streit - Bouillon (Whoever he play with, Streit will be good this year and will jump up with Hamrlik on some games)

    Brisebois, Gorges
    Dandenault is out for a 7th round pick, please.

    The offense suck, unless some kids (Latendresse or Kostitsyn) jump up and score a lot of goals, would be time for Gainey to take his fingers off his nose and do something about this offense.

    Kovalev - Koivu - Kostitsyn
    Higgins - Plekanec - Ryder
    Latendresse - Smolinski - Lapierre
    Bégin - Chipchura - Kostopoulos

    I hope the young guys will deliver (O'byrne, Latendresse, Kostitsyn, Plekanec, Higgins, Lapierre, Chipchura) and that Kovalev, Markov and Koivu will be in great shape all year, cause otherwise this team won't make the playoffs, unless Huet steal the show... hmmm

    Have a nice season, GO HABS GO!

    I think Streit is probably going to find more time on fwd than on D. Your D lines look likely, but your forwards aren't going to look like that other than the checking line.
  • Rygar wrote:
    I think Streit is probably going to find more time on fwd than on D. Your D lines look likely, but your forwards aren't going to look like that other than the checking line.

    Probably but that's what i'd try, Higgins - Ryder - Koivu looked great offensively last year, but it was horrible on defense, so i'd break this up, and Kovalev need to be given a last chance with Koivu, i think. Anyway if things doesn't work out with these guys, and the Habs are not playoffs contender later in the season, i hope there will be major changes, in the top forwards (Koivu, Kovalev, Ryder) and in the office (Gainey out, Roy or Timmins in). President Boivin said it would be unacceptable to miss the playoff this year, so at least he knows, and probably won't wait (a la Maple Leafs) another year to make some changes.

    Streit will be use everywhere this year again i agree, but he's good on D, i think he's currently our 4th D, so i'd use him more on D than as a forward.
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  • Rygar
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    Probably but that's what i'd try, Higgins - Ryder - Koivu looked great offensively last year, but it was horrible on defense, so i'd break this up, and Kovalev need to be given a last chance with Koivu, i think. Anyway if things doesn't work out with these guys, and the Habs are not playoffs contender later in the season, i hope there will be major changes, in the top forwards (Koivu, Kovalev, Ryder) and in the office (Gainey out, Roy or Timmins in). President Boivin said it would be unacceptable to miss the playoff this year, so at least he knows, and probably won't wait (a la Maple Leafs) another year to make some changes.

    Streit will be use everywhere this year again i agree, but he's good on D, i think he's currently our 4th D, so i'd use him more on D than as a forward.

    I think Kovalev should be given A chance with Koivu. Did they play the two of them together at all outside of power play? I don't think so, and sticking two guys who can't take a pass on the tape with him obviously isn't helping. Pleks turned out ok though, but they gotta put someone on with him. Ah well. Hopefully we at least make the post season this year...
  • Rygar
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    And a win! I was a little late cause I had to pick someone up, who was late, and parking was retarded...I sat down just as Mtl potted the first goal, so I only missed 2 or 3 minutes thankfully.

    About half the team was the farm team, but regulars in the line up - Higgins, Ryder, Smolinski, Plekanec, Dandenault, Hamrlik, Lapierre, Kostopolous (who might not be a regular, but he looked alright), Streit, Halak. edit - I forgot about Komisarek, he was there and played pretty good.

    I knew who most of the AHLers were so that helped.
    For a 21 million dollar acquisition, I can't say as I was overly impressed by Hamrlik. He didn't do anything wrong, but he didn't have much in the way of presence....

    Pleks had a hat trick to lead the Habs to a 4-3 win. Higgins had a goal and a nice penalty shot but Fernandez kept with him on the deke and Higgy didn't get the puck in the air on his shot = good save by Fernandez.

    Glen Murray got the second goal for Boston and the third star (because he's from nearby Bridgewater) and I didn't even see him on the ice. PJ Axelson had an assist on the first goal and I didn't see him on the ice at all either....

    I was half way down the lower bowl behind the home goal, and I had fun.

    I wish I lived closer to Montreal, although that isn't anything new.

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  • kenshunt
    kenshunt London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,863
    Well that sounded like alot of fun, i've only been to one Leafs game, it's so hard to get a ticket though, but yeah i can't believe how fast the players are in real life up and personal, the only ticket i can seem to get a hand on around here would be a London Knights ticket which also can be a challenge sometimes:)
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  • Rygar
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    kenshunt wrote:
    Well that sounded like alot of fun, i've only been to one Leafs game, it's so hard to get a ticket though, but yeah i can't believe how fast the players are in real life up and personal, the only ticket i can seem to get a hand on around here would be a London Knights ticket which also can be a challenge sometimes:)

    Yeah you'd have to be in advance a good bit I think.
    They were pretty fast but a lot of them looked a bit sloppy. It's also funny that the players you think are so tiny are actually quite big, and the bigger players aren't quite as big as they are on tv...
    Hamrlik does look like a solid fucker, though.