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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,870
    bostonlou wrote:
    I just realized what your screen name means

    wow am I slow

    shame he's not in the HOF
    He even explained it when he showed up in June, you might have been banned that week. :D
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    congrats to Youk ... Gold Glove at 1b!
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    speaking as a biased Yankee fan here, but I think it was a mistake for the Red Sox to bring back both Schilling and Wakefield. Not that either will all of a sudden become terrible, but neither was that great this year. These deals seem more like lifetime achievement awards than good deals for 2008.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    speaking as a biased Yankee fan here, but I think it was a mistake for the Red Sox to bring back both Schilling and Wakefield. Not that either will all of a sudden become terrible, but neither was that great this year. These deals seem more like lifetime achievement awards than good deals for 2008.

    Well, they both helped to win 2 World Series Championships and that is reason enough to bring them back especially under incentive laden contracts in Schilling's case.

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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    yeah, I understand that. Especially considering the pitching market is incredibly thin. I just think it's always better to let a guy go a year early than to keep him a year too long.
  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    speaking as a biased Yankee fan here, but I think it was a mistake for the Red Sox to bring back both Schilling and Wakefield. Not that either will all of a sudden become terrible, but neither was that great this year. These deals seem more like lifetime achievement awards than good deals for 2008.

    this comes from a fan of the team that paid roger clemens a prorated $28mil deal.

    carl pavano for $11mil or curt schilling for a base salary of $8mil (that can be bumped up to $14mil)?

    igawa for $4mil or wakefield for $4mil?

    i'll take the sox signing above average #3 and #4 pitchers for a combined $12mil in base salary.
  • BlackCorduroy
    BlackCorduroy Posts: 1,374
    jimed14 wrote:
    congrats to Youk ... Gold Glove at 1b!
    when do they announce rookie of the year?
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    speaking as a biased Yankee fan here, but I think it was a mistake for the Red Sox to bring back both Schilling and Wakefield. Not that either will all of a sudden become terrible, but neither was that great this year. These deals seem more like lifetime achievement awards than good deals for 2008.

    Considering Wakefield can eat innings and tied a career high for wins with 17 and Schilling's era in his 13 starts after coming off the dl including the post season was 3.25, I don't see how it's a bad move.

    You get to bring the kids along next year and have the Vets carry the team while the kids get mentored by Schilling and Wakefield who have seen it all.

    I'm actually really happy with this move. Plus now you have insurance in case injuries strike. You have 7 starters on the roster counting Beckett, Dice K, Bucholz and Tavarez. Now we have insurance in case the injury bug creeps up and won't have to do what the Yankees did and start Pavano on Opening Day or go through rookie after rookie to hold down the fort.

    I'd rather have more pitching than less. And basically by reupping Wakefield and Schilling the Red Sox kept the same team in tact and cut 12-13 million in salary with Gagne and Clement's contract expiring.
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  • rearviewmiror
    rearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I really hope Theo has a good plan, I trust him but I am getting nervous. Although he was quiet last year till the last second before a deal too.
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  • gregkitefan
    gregkitefan Posts: 1,122
    I'm just so happy Arod is not going to be on the team.
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  • Character Zero
    Character Zero Posts: 96
    rearviewmiror wrote:
    I really hope Theo has a good plan, I trust him but I am getting nervous. Although he was quiet last year till the last second before a deal too.

    We are returning at least 7 of eight positional starters and all of the pitchers are coming back with Buccholz possibly coming up. Most likely Lowell is returning too, that puts us at the entire starting team of the defending World Series Champions who dominated in the playoffs, it doesn't get much better of a plan than that. We let Gagne walk which was the second best plan he could have made.
    I am not worried at all.
    I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
  • rearviewmiror
    rearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I agree, but we need another bat to go along with Manny and Ortiz. If Drew warms up it could be a different story.

    I am not so much worried about the team, more that there is no ready replacement for Lowell
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    looks like lowell and the sox have agreed on a 3 year/$37.5mil deal.
  • Character Zero
    Character Zero Posts: 96
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/11/lowell_stays.html


    Lowell stays

    Email|Link By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff November 19, 07 01:05 PM

    Free-agent third baseman Mike Lowell has agreed in principle to the framework of a three-year deal to return to the Red Sox, major league baseball sources close to the negotiations have confirmed.

    Lowell, 33, tested the free-agent waters, and may have received at least one four-year offer from another undisclosed team, but in the end the Sox third baseman elected to stay where he was most comfortable. Sources indicate that the three year deal is worth in the $36-$38 million range.

    The Red Sox had placed a deadline of today for Lowell to make up his mind. If Lowell had passed on the Sox offer, which remained pretty close to the original offer they made the World Series MVP, they were ready to begin implmenting their Plan B.

    The Sox have now re-signed both of their major free-agents - Curt Schilling, who agreed to a one-year deal for $8 million and $5 million in incentives. The Sox could now entertain a deal for outfielder Coco Crisp sometimes between now and the winter meetings in December.
    I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
  • rearviewmiror
    rearviewmiror Posts: 894
    Really excited about lowell coming back. Need to go and make sure the Yanks dont get a stud pitcher and finish the pen. Then it's a 2008 with as much promise as you could hope for.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    good deal for all ...

    glad they didn't make the same mistake they made with orlando cabrera ...
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    jimed14 wrote:
    good deal for all ...

    glad they didn't make the same mistake they made with orlando cabrera ...

    i'm cool with the terms of the deal.

    what's up with orlando cabrera being traded for jon garland? that's an odd trade.
  • BlackCorduroy
    BlackCorduroy Posts: 1,374
    yay for Lowell :D:D
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    It's nice to see the Red Sox logo on the pearl jam home page right now! :)
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  • Hartydog
    Hartydog Posts: 2,060
    jimed14 wrote:
    good deal for all ...

    glad they didn't make the same mistake they made with orlando cabrera ...

    One of my friends knows a Sox scout. I heard Cabrera was let go because he had some questionable friends who were dealing some substances if you know what I mean
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