Ed on religion

Danimal · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

haha...... i must have went back about five years without even knowing it!

16...21...honestly what is the difference?

EvilRabbit · April 2008

Danimal wrote:

So what does atheism entail? Do I have to do something? I must have to do something to become an atheist. I am really interested in this.

I suppose you could buy a t-shirt. But only if you're allowed to wear non-Red Sox clothing on the streets of Boston and I don't believe local laws allow that.

Danimal · April 2008

Now back to my original question. What do I need to do to become an atheist? I am honestly interested.

Danimal · April 2008

EvilRabbit wrote:

I suppose you could buy a t-shirt. But only if you're allowed to wear non-Red Sox clothing on the streets of Boston and I don't believe local laws allow that.

Hahaha very true.

nowayimfaithfull · April 2008

halszka123 wrote:

Don't be so pessimist! Imagine what this world would be without people like that. One Bask told me once: " Quien siembra sonrisas cosecha corazones, y quien siembra tormentas cosecha tempestades" which means: "Who inseeds smiles takes hearts, and who inseeds storms takes hurricanes".
The world is what we make it. Of course there will be always good people and bad too, but we decide which group we will join to.

(BTW. I hope I was a smile for him)

Now this post is good.

On a side not why do people have to be idiots and morons and made fun of in here for going out and having a good time and letting their hair down. I mean obviously in all the other threads it involves drunken disorderlies. But in this post people are being made fun of for their opinions on how they choose to feel about entertainment, at least the first couple of posts anyway.
I can tell all of the people that agreed, that there is a very intelligent group of peopel on this earth that would laugh their ass off for even having the time to follow a band let alone post on theri measage board. I mean allthese college proffessors you guys mention could say the exact same thing about all of us enterainging ourselves on here or even going to the shows.
Everyone is differant, and all regions are differant, to pick on L.a., or talk about religious followers is horrible.
You guys forget the key to life is happiness and whats good about freedom is people can do what they want without being criticized, and feel comfortable. You guys are pretty much trying to take that away in some retrospect. You also pass this judgement on people without even knowing them, these people at these shows could be doctors, millitary, crazy joe from around the corner who is a great family man. You just never know, and people should not be judged at a rock concert, or on a measage board.
Now I dont no much about athiiasts, but I do know no matter what race, religion, or gender peace and acceptance of others is a big start in making this world a better place.

peace

lateralus963 · April 2008

Crazy Breed wrote:

every one is an individual and you can't group people together solely based on religion or favorite band. I consider myself a Christian but most Christians don't really even know what it means to be a Christian.they practice Roman catholicism which is essentially paganism.

As much as some of us love this band we tend to think everyone who likes them must be like "us"/me (projection = psychology 101).then you come across some retarded dick-head at a show and it dawns on you that not all PJ fans are smart or cool or like "us"/me.

Good point

Fahka · April 2008

Danimal wrote:

16...21...honestly what is the difference?

um......

a little help here guys? Just because you're old doesn't make you more informed. But your religious so i should expect that kind of ignorant judging and close-mindedness from you, correct?

EvilRabbit · April 2008

Danimal wrote:

Now back to my original question. What do I need to do to become an atheist? I am honestly interested.

What do you have to do to accept Elvis is dead and no longer alive?

Whatever the answer is, just do that.

otis mcfluster · April 2008

jwillmo wrote:

This thread was so much more interesting when it was a debate on the meaning of open/closed-mindedness. Now it's the same old does God exist debate. Boring!

I agree. I'm posting this again because I think this thread is continues to digress:

I think this thread has pretty quickly digressed into a religion vs. atheist debate--by the way those never go anywhere--they usually end up with both sides being more deeply rooted in their prejudice and anger.

Atheism does not always equal epicurean indulgence and moral void.

Religion does not always equal bigotry, persecution, and conning naive impoverished people into giving away their money to phony healers.

Sometimes both do--which leads to the prejudice held by both parties..

I like to associate myself with religious and atheist people (and everyone in between) who understands that individuals can find happiness, fulfillment, and live kind lives through both religion and atheism--but that’s just me.

This country has a lot of problem for many many reasons--but to blame athiests or christians entirely, and as a group, seems a little silly.

nowayimfaithfull · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

Hahah apparently you never took science class in junior high.

I love when people i dont know just assume i know nothing about religion;p
which proves my point.. Religion is a meer fantasy humans created for themselves.To help themselves sleep at night. Its not easy to go through life with the actual truth.

If you have respect for one religion ... you must have respect for all ...
So i just choose to not respect any of it. The fact of the matter is.. none of you fucking people have a clue over anyone else about the "big picture"

I mean I respect both of you 2 in here.
But this reply to her reply just shows that the overall concept becomes just to 1 sided.
You are telling her religion is made up by people who need to sleep.
This is false.
And crazy breed you are telling here that the big bang theroy is impossible.
It obviously lies somwhere in the middle.
Why do people lose sight of that to prove 1 side, that makes people sleep better. Too much self righteosness (sp).
Who cares what ever floats your boats.
I was once told you are not stupid for your opinions, but when you make somone try to believe yours your sure as hell sound stupid.
So keep things to yourself and enjoy life and respect others.

EvilRabbit · April 2008

Crazy Breed wrote:

how can you think this all started with a "big bang"?

Uh... scientific evidence and data?

I guess I could just read stories a bunch of dudes made up to control people in the desert thousands of years ago. Call me crazy, but I prefer empirical evidence.

lateralus963 · April 2008

nathanastin wrote:

I love Ed and all, but I find him to be very closed minded. Actually, most so-called liberal and progressive thinkers are the most close-minded. If you don't agree with them, then keep your mouth shut. I'll take a religious person anyday.

Just to clarify this is the definition of a liberal, as according to the OED:

"Free from narrow prejudice; open-minded, candid."
"Free from bigotry or unreasonable prejudice in favour of traditional opinions or established institutions; open to the reception of new ideas or proposals of reform."

So people that are close minded aren't liberal. I consider myself a liberal and I will listen to, talk to, and question anyones beliefs and I want them to do the same to me. And maybe more of us are liberals than we think.

So please don't generalize. Real liberals are great people.

EvilRabbit · April 2008

otis mcfluster wrote:

Atheism does not always equal epicurean indulgence and moral void.

Religion does not always equal bigotry, persecution, and conning naive impoverished people into giving away their money to phony healers.

Sometimes both do--which leads to the prejudice held by both parties..

While I concur with much of what you said, I disagree with the last sentence. Atheists don't do those things. Any evil or immoral act an atheist might do is not because they are atheist, it is because they are psychopathic or sociopathic.

Religion makes good people do good things but it also makes good people do bad things. The same is not true of atheism because it isn't a belief system which requires following. It's simply non-belief.

I don't think many of you know what an atheist actually is. Are they so rare where you live? Don't be frightened of them. They can be very nice people and they certainly don't bite.

thirstyman · April 2008

The second oldest trick in the book is to call people who strongly disagree with you "closed minded." The oldest is to just call them stupid.

bicyclejoe · April 2008

nathanastin wrote:

Nice thoughts; I usually think of Pearl Jam fans as the most educated and best thinking of the bunch, but there are a lot of jackholes.

Yep.

EvilRabbit · April 2008

thirstyman wrote:

The second oldest trick in the book is to call people who strongly disagree with you "closed minded." The oldest is to just call them stupid.

I imagine the oldest might be a swift kick in the balls. That trick was probably used long before language.

So the "close-minded" thing is probably the third oldest.

Vedderlution_Baby · April 2008

You guys would've had more fun on the train with this.

HermanBloom · April 2008

EvilRabbit wrote:

Uh... scientific evidence and data?

I guess I could just read stories a bunch of dudes made up to control people in the desert thousands of years ago. Call me crazy, but I prefer empirical evidence.

The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.

EvilRabbit · April 2008

nathanastin wrote:

The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.

Why laughable?

The eye first appeared as a light sensitive pad atop a primitive creature's head, enabling it to tell whether it was nighttime or daytime (to avoid predators). Those creatures who didn't develop this "eye" were eaten, hence natural selection. Over the course of evolution, this eye pad recessed and became concave, enabling the creature to determine the angle of the sunlight and tell the time. Protective layers then grew and evolved to protect the eye and it eventually became the shape of a ball.

If you're buddy upstairs created the eyeball, why is it upside down? Was he drunk when he "designed it"?

Here endeth the science lesson.

thirstyman · April 2008

nathanastin wrote:

The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.

Just because you don't understand how something works, that
oesn't make the process absurd.

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