Ed on religion

halszka123

Crazy Breed wrote:

every one is an individual and you can't group people together solely based on religion or favorite band. I consider myself a Christian but most Christians don't really even know what it means to be a Christian.they practice Roman catholicism which is essentially paganism.

As much as some of us love this band we tend to think everyone who likes them must be like "us"/me (projection = psychology 101).then you come across some retarded dick-head at a show and it dawns on you that not all PJ fans are smart or cool or like "us"/me.

So, this is the true. And similar can be with Ed. When He says things like this, He probably thinks He is talking to people who think the same or similar way as He. But! Not everybody thinks for him/herself. All what I found looking for informations about The Band's opinions of many themes is that Ed has no problem to show people what He thinks and He's very decided with words He says. But (another "but"...) everywhere we can find people who look for authorities and when they find... often forgetting about making their own "legend" - i mean: to stay being themselves. It's easier...maybe...
It's only one thing I would like to know about Ed in this case - what would He say in discussion if an interlocutor disagree with Him. Open-minded people sometimes change their point of view if we provide them good arguments.
Anyway - about Christians - i know some of them-i don't understand how people can be so involved in any philosophy,religion and... but - for them it's good - they make world and people around more peaceful, and for me-this is ok:)

EvilRabbit

nathanastin wrote:

Just because religious people find homosexuality appaling, does not make them close-minded.

Yep, those are the people I don't want to hang out with. And no, I'm not gay.

The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, correct? Back when the Bible was written, that word simply meant not traditional, not sinful. Yet today, in 2008, religious fundies picket funerals of dead soldiers and homosexuals are persecuted everywhere (not only by those Westboro Baptist freaks) for something beyond their control.

If your God exists (and he doesn't) he sure fucked up a lot of his designs.

Fortunate Son1

nathanastin wrote:

To also add, one could easily argue that our society has fallen and is seriously eroded because of these so-called open-minded individuals. Just step inside a school now and see how bad we have become. Complete chaos. Nobody has any self-control or respect for anyone but themselves. It's really disgusting and I would argue it is because of the lack of family structure, religion, and "open-mindedness" and everyone unwilling to judge. In 30 years, I cannot see our country being viable because of the lack of a moral center. And I am sure this is where the philosopher comment will say, "Who can define morality. Who's to say what is moral to you is moral to the next guy," etc. We live in a world of right and wrong; good and evil. Face it.

One of the most intelligent posts I've seen here. And your last sentence is spot on, only problem is what is "right" and "wrong" in today's society has become so blurred, that its almost indistinguishable. The "moral centre" you wrote about is exactly what has gotten us to this point after all these years but now some misguided clowns who choose to believe nothing and believe in nothing have changed a lot.

KDH12

so it was LA right?



enough said

EvilRabbit

halszka123 wrote:

i don't understand how people can be so involved in any philosophy,religion and... but - for them it's good - they make world and people around more peaceful, and for me-this is ok:)

It does not make the world a better place. Far from it. War, disease, antagonism on a Pearl Jam message board...

Fahka

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HermanBloom

EvilRabbit wrote:

Yep, those are the people I don't want to hang out with. And no, I'm not gay.

The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, correct? Back when the Bible was written, that word simply meant not traditional, not sinful. Yet today, in 2008, religious fundies picket funerals of dead soldiers and homosexuals are persecuted everywhere (not only by those Westboro Baptist freaks) for something beyond their control.

If your God exists (and he doesn't) he sure fucked up a lot of his designs.

That's why he gave us free agency; we can choose what we think is right or wrong. You can choose your right and I can choose mine. Simple.

EvilRabbit

LeatherMandi wrote:

ok im sorry, these are just so fitting for this thread ;P

Im done now.

*runs off to play Frisbee*

Here's another...

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
Thomas Jefferson 1743 - 1826

HermanBloom

EvilRabbit wrote:

Here's another...

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
Thomas Jefferson 1743 - 1826

Coming from a man who owned slaves?

EvilRabbit

nathanastin wrote:

That's why he gave us free agency; we can choose what we think is right or wrong. You can choose your right and I can choose mine. Simple.

If being "right" is to humiliate, harm, persecute and/or murder innocent people then I'm happy to be "wrong."

EvilRabbit

nathanastin wrote:

Coming from a man who owned slaves?

The Bible condones slavery, doesn't it? Or do you cherry-pick?

Fahka

KDH12 wrote:

so it was LA right?



enough said

BINGO.

HermanBloom

EvilRabbit wrote:

If being "right" is to humiliate, harm, persecute and/or murder innocent people then I'm happy to be "wrong."

I agree completely with you when it comes to those things. Any moral person would never humiliate, harm, persecute, or murder someone because they disagree with their point of view, lifestyle, etc. Those churches that picket soldier's funerals and persecute homosexuals, etc. are pathetic and should be lamblasted to the fullest. I would never hate anyone for being gay or not hang out with them. However, I just find homosexuality wrong. I also find doing drugs and other things wrong. I find rampant sexuality wrong; that doesn't mean I won't have friends that feel different. Trust me, coming from a religion who is constantly ridiculed and picketed by other so-called Christians, I know how it feels, though not to the extent of homosexuals.

halszka123

Fortunate Son1 wrote:

One of the most intelligent posts I've seen here. And your last sentence is spot on, only problem is what is "right" and "wrong" in today's society has become so blurred, that its almost indistinguishable. The "moral centre" you wrote about is exactly what has gotten us to this point after all these years but now some misguided clowns who choose to believe nothing and believe in nothing have changed a lot.

And... sorry, this is the dark side of democracy. The margin between your behaviour as a manifestation of freedom and the completely chaos is very thin.

HermanBloom

EvilRabbit wrote:

The Bible condones slavery, doesn't it? Or do you cherry-pick?

I happen to diasgree with some of what the Bible says. Remember this is a book put together and retranslated by many people over the years so much is incorrect and missing from the original texts/prophecies.

drsluggo

EvilRabbit wrote:

Yet today, in 2008, religious fundies picket funerals of dead soldiers and homosexuals are persecuted everywhere (not only by those Westboro Baptist freaks) for something beyond their control.

If your God exists (and he doesn't) he sure fucked up a lot of his designs.

That's the goofiest thing I've seen in this thread. The only real things I've ever seen in regards to protesting dead soldiers are the anti-war people that will actually protest and picket the funerals of dead soldiers while their families are grieving. I can't imagine someone protesting a dead soldier for religious reasons, but if they did then, yes, that's awful.

HermanBloom

drsluggo wrote:

That's the goofiest thing I've seen in this thread. The only real things I've ever seen in regards to protesting dead soldiers are the anti-war people that will actually protest and picket the funerals of dead soldiers while their families are grieving. I can't imagine someone protesting a dead soldier for religious reasons, but if they did then, yes, that's awful.

This particular church does; they say the war is because the US allows homosexuality.

Danimal

How do you become an aetheist? I think I want to become one.

EvilRabbit

Danimal wrote:

How do you become an aetheist? I think I want to become one.

It's simple. Stop believing in fairy tales and accept that no one knows why the universe is the way it is. You can appreciate life, beauty and nature for its magnificence without giving credit to a fictional, literary character.

EvilRabbit

drsluggo wrote:

That's the goofiest thing I've seen in this thread. The only real things I've ever seen in regards to protesting dead soldiers are the anti-war people that will actually protest and picket the funerals of dead soldiers while their families are grieving. I can't imagine someone protesting a dead soldier for religious reasons, but if they did then, yes, that's awful.

Sadly, the Westboro Baptist Church is very real. Take my word for it. If you read more about them, you'll only be saddened by man's ability to be so delusional and cruel.