how can you think this all started with a "big bang"?
Uh... scientific evidence and data?
I guess I could just read stories a bunch of dudes made up to control people in the desert thousands of years ago. Call me crazy, but I prefer empirical evidence.
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I love Ed and all, but I find him to be very closed minded. Actually, most so-called liberal and progressive thinkers are the most close-minded. If you don't agree with them, then keep your mouth shut. I'll take a religious person anyday.
Just to clarify this is the definition of a liberal, as according to the OED:
"Free from narrow prejudice; open-minded, candid."
"Free from bigotry or unreasonable prejudice in favour of traditional opinions or established institutions; open to the reception of new ideas or proposals of reform."
So people that are close minded aren't liberal. I consider myself a liberal and I will listen to, talk to, and question anyones beliefs and I want them to do the same to me. And maybe more of us are liberals than we think.
So please don't generalize. Real liberals are great people.
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Atheism does not always equal epicurean indulgence and moral void.
Religion does not always equal bigotry, persecution, and conning naive impoverished people into giving away their money to phony healers.
Sometimes both do--which leads to the prejudice held by both parties..
While I concur with much of what you said, I disagree with the last sentence. Atheists don't do those things. Any evil or immoral act an atheist might do is not because they are atheist, it is because they are psychopathic or sociopathic.
Religion makes good people do good things but it also makes good people do bad things. The same is not true of atheism because it isn't a belief system which requires following. It's simply non-belief.
I don't think many of you know what an atheist actually is. Are they so rare where you live? Don't be frightened of them. They can be very nice people and they certainly don't bite.
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Nice thoughts; I usually think of Pearl Jam fans as the most educated and best thinking of the bunch, but there are a lot of jackholes.
Yep.
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I guess I could just read stories a bunch of dudes made up to control people in the desert thousands of years ago. Call me crazy, but I prefer empirical evidence.
The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.
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The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.
Why laughable?
The eye first appeared as a light sensitive pad atop a primitive creature's head, enabling it to tell whether it was nighttime or daytime (to avoid predators). Those creatures who didn't develop this "eye" were eaten, hence natural selection. Over the course of evolution, this eye pad recessed and became concave, enabling the creature to determine the angle of the sunlight and tell the time. Protective layers then grew and evolved to protect the eye and it eventually became the shape of a ball.
If you're buddy upstairs created the eyeball, why is it upside down? Was he drunk when he "designed it"?
Here endeth the science lesson.
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Just because you don't understand how something works, that
oesn't make the process absurd.
Not really; all I know is how complex each human organ is did not just come about through chance and selection by nature.
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It is estimated that mankind (as we know it today) is between 100,000 and 200,000 years-old. If there is a God, why did he allow humans to murder each other through tribalism and die at an average age of 25, then wait another 96-196,000 years before he felt compelled to spread his word in book-form to an illiterate people in the desert? At the very least, why not deliver the commandments to Asia, where they could read?
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The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.
As opposed to being created by some inexplicable spiritual deity? Yeah, evolution sure does look crazy by comparison... :rolleyes: I really wish people would understand that scientific theories aren't the same as Sherlock Holmes theories. It's not a hypothesis of what might have happened - it's just a way of giving more info on proven facts (there's a redundancy ).
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
You know what, I should apologize for digressing too much. This thread was supposed to be about Ed and religion. So I'll leave you with a quote.
"On bended knee is no way to be free."
It's actually quite free.
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a little help here guys? Just because you're old doesn't make you more informed. But your religious so i should expect that kind of ignorant judging and close-mindedness from you, correct?
How many times have you voted?
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People have been saved from their addictions to drugs, and others have changed from horrible pasts because of their found faith in God. SO tell how that is wrong.
People have been saved from their addictions to drugs, and others have changed from horrible pasts because of their found faith in God. SO tell how that is wrong.
And people have been tortured and killed in the name of god. Just like everything thing else that has people involved in large numbers, there's good things and bad things.
People have been saved from their addictions to drugs, and others have changed from horrible pasts because of their found faith in God. SO tell how that is wrong.
and millions upon millions more killed because of faith in god.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg
So I guess you really don't have an answer huh? Good job.
You should have just said to me..I really have no idea...the only reason I am atheist is because Ed questions religion.
It's not dumb at all. It's the exact same concept. Your inability to grasp the concept makes you seem dumb, but I'm not going to call you names.
I've been an atheist since I was a little kid. It has zero to do with Ed. There you go again, giving one entity credit for something that has nothing to do with them. You seem very adept at that.
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Uh... scientific evidence and data?
I guess I could just read stories a bunch of dudes made up to control people in the desert thousands of years ago. Call me crazy, but I prefer empirical evidence.
www.screenplaymechanic.com
Just to clarify this is the definition of a liberal, as according to the OED:
"Free from narrow prejudice; open-minded, candid."
"Free from bigotry or unreasonable prejudice in favour of traditional opinions or established institutions; open to the reception of new ideas or proposals of reform."
So people that are close minded aren't liberal. I consider myself a liberal and I will listen to, talk to, and question anyones beliefs and I want them to do the same to me. And maybe more of us are liberals than we think.
So please don't generalize. Real liberals are great people.
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2013: Brooklyn I & II
2016: Ft. Lauderdale & Miami
While I concur with much of what you said, I disagree with the last sentence. Atheists don't do those things. Any evil or immoral act an atheist might do is not because they are atheist, it is because they are psychopathic or sociopathic.
Religion makes good people do good things but it also makes good people do bad things. The same is not true of atheism because it isn't a belief system which requires following. It's simply non-belief.
I don't think many of you know what an atheist actually is. Are they so rare where you live? Don't be frightened of them. They can be very nice people and they certainly don't bite.
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Yep.
I imagine the oldest might be a swift kick in the balls. That trick was probably used long before language.
So the "close-minded" thing is probably the third oldest.
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The complexity of the human eye was created out of evolution? That's laughable.
I thought the world...Turns out the world thought me
Why laughable?
The eye first appeared as a light sensitive pad atop a primitive creature's head, enabling it to tell whether it was nighttime or daytime (to avoid predators). Those creatures who didn't develop this "eye" were eaten, hence natural selection. Over the course of evolution, this eye pad recessed and became concave, enabling the creature to determine the angle of the sunlight and tell the time. Protective layers then grew and evolved to protect the eye and it eventually became the shape of a ball.
If you're buddy upstairs created the eyeball, why is it upside down? Was he drunk when he "designed it"?
Here endeth the science lesson.
www.screenplaymechanic.com
Just because you don't understand how something works, that
oesn't make the process absurd.
I thought the world...Turns out the world thought me
Let me ask you a question...
It is estimated that mankind (as we know it today) is between 100,000 and 200,000 years-old. If there is a God, why did he allow humans to murder each other through tribalism and die at an average age of 25, then wait another 96-196,000 years before he felt compelled to spread his word in book-form to an illiterate people in the desert? At the very least, why not deliver the commandments to Asia, where they could read?
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As opposed to being created by some inexplicable spiritual deity? Yeah, evolution sure does look crazy by comparison... :rolleyes: I really wish people would understand that scientific theories aren't the same as Sherlock Holmes theories. It's not a hypothesis of what might have happened - it's just a way of giving more info on proven facts (there's a redundancy
How long was Ed's hair?
"On bended knee is no way to be free."
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You "know" this how?
Nobody knows. So no need to follow and preach something blindly. Take life for what its worth.
High power is not
Man made religion is.
~sheep~
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So you don't put money in the collection plate or, worse, serve a higher power (see: imaginary friend) your entire life?
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How many times have you voted?
Well that was dumb.
So I guess you really don't have an answer huh? Good job.
You should have just said to me..I really have no idea...the only reason I am atheist is because Ed questions religion.
Agreed
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And people have been tortured and killed in the name of god. Just like everything thing else that has people involved in large numbers, there's good things and bad things.
and millions upon millions more killed because of faith in god.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg
What kind of answer are you expecting?
It's not dumb at all. It's the exact same concept. Your inability to grasp the concept makes you seem dumb, but I'm not going to call you names.
I've been an atheist since I was a little kid. It has zero to do with Ed. There you go again, giving one entity credit for something that has nothing to do with them. You seem very adept at that.
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Play Footsteps!!!!!!!!!!
for the least they could possibly do