So at the LA 1 show, Ed was talking about this commercial he saw for a Christian Rock album, and then went on to criticize through song how they all look the same, act the same, can't think for themselves and are all sheep. Which I thought was somewhat comical.
But in retrospect it was certainly more ironic than anything.
The fact that Ed was pontificating this to the obnoxious chick to my right who....
you are talking about people who paid 60 bucks to see 1/6th of pearl jam. what did you expect.
and ive always enjoyed the folks i encounter at pj shows. i hope i never meet you.
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I was raised in the Bible Belt here in the US, so was indoctrinated early :-) It's interesting, what took me 30 years to discover, my 15 year old daughter has already figured out. When we first had a religious discussion a couple of months ago (she lived with my ex-wife till recently) I was pleasantly shocked and surprised at her position on religion/God...very mature in her thought process.
Good for her!
Apparently, we are one of the fastest growing minorities so there is hope for modern civilization! I think with today's access to information, organized religion cannot possibly maintain as powerful a grip on the minds of the young.
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Apparently, we are one of the fastest growing minorities so there is hope for modern civilization! I think with today's access to information, organized religion cannot possibly maintain as powerful a grip on the minds of the young.
I think you are correct. I think that as people start to get the information they need to make a more informed decision, the myth that is monotheism will go the same way as the mythology of the Greeks and Romans.
Have a good evening. Time to turn the computer over to the wife :-)
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How do you become an aetheist? I think I want to become one.
Actually, you're born one. Every animal (including humans) is born a aetheist. Unfortunately, most humans are polluted by religion, a product of the human condition.
If you put 1000 infant humans on an island with absolutely NO contact with the outside world, I would bet my life savings that none would EVER come Christians. None.
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I think Ed's reaction on Storytellers to being asked what did he think of people who disagreed with him was the only worthwhile insight on that show.In case you did't see it,he said 'Fuck them'. Having said that though he was kind of a good sport in 2003( I think) in New York(I think) when the fans started chanting USA after they played Bushleaguer but I imagine if it had have happened enough times he would've just got ticked off and stopped playing it.
Speaking of mindless sheep,I bet Ten wouldn't have gone 12 times platinum without all the mindlessness of the grunge trend.
He was not a good sport at all about the fans chanting USA in 2003 in Uniondale, but I think it had more to do with people throwing things at the band.
I just wanted to throw in my two cents just for fun. I think a big problem with Pearl Jam shows is the excitement level. We have all said things that sounded really stupid in a time of pure joy or excitement. Our minds don't function well in those circumstances. Recently at a show I told a guy that I saw Pearl Jam at Bridge School last year. He let me know what an idiot I was, when he told me that Eddie had cancelled. (Which I remembered after he told me and realized I was thinking of the year before.)
The excitement and stupidity only bothers me when it interferes with people enjoying the show. Like the drunk guy who sings way too loud, off key and the wrong words. He is the one who usually spills his beer on me too. Fucking dick.
As for the religion thing, I have never told another human that their life was pointless without Pearl Jam. Believe what you want just leave me out of it. Eddie kind of gets to say whatever he wants because he is who we all had come too see. I wouldn't get pissed if I was in a church and the Pope was talking about god. If Eddie wants to spread his liberal ideas so be it, we just pay him to stand in front of the mic, the rest is up to him .
I admit that I have thought about the kind of wine that Eddie drinks. I am human too. I have been to church, people do crazy things in church just like a shows. What if you saw someone speaking toughs at a restaurant?
Edit: I just thought about how people got pissed at Jesus for speaking his mind, so they killed him. It's hard to remember these days but Jesus was a liberal radical. He too spoke against the majority.
So at the LA 1 show, Ed was talking about this commercial he saw for a Christian Rock album, and then went on to criticize through song how they all look the same, act the same, can't think for themselves and are all sheep. Which I thought was somewhat comical.
But in retrospect it was certainly more ironic than anything.
The fact that Ed was pontificating this to the obnoxious chick to my right who kept yelling how much she loves and worships Ed, how sexy he was, telling her friend about the time she touched him, laughing at jokes that weren't really jokes, woohoo-ing and clapping things that didn't warrant applause, and shouting fuck yeah! before Ed was halfway through a sentence.
And then there was the couple to my left, overly consumed with what Ed was drinking so that they could start drinking it, so happy to see "his beard and long hair back", and wondering what kind of jeans he was wearing.
I guess it is just funny to mock one group of mindless followers to a live group of mindless followers hanging on his every word--the only difference is the messenger.
I’m always a little amazed at how stupid the majority of Pearl Jam crowds are--kind of embarrassing to be honest.
I was just talking about this very subject the other day. I don't understand why people don't realize rock stars or celebrities are just people like we are ...no better, no worse. They might like what I'm drinking better for all they know. I know I like it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
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The basic thoughts behind all religions are the same. They want to show people a way to live (be nice, do not kill people etc.) and give them hope. Of course there are idiots everywhere that don’t understand that, and think their religion is the only truth. This is the problem. People thinking they’re right and everybody else is wrong. And that’s what causes wars etc. and makes people to haters and killers. I never understood, how one can be so sure that their religion is the right one? Millions of people are Buddhists, millions are Christians etc. how can you be so sure about your religion and think all these others are idiots?
I would consider myself a “religious” person, but I don’t believe in any institution.
But religion gives certain people hope, and for that it’s good. If they have a shitty life, they want the hope that at least their afterlife will be nice. they need something to hold on to.
When we’re dead, we will know if there’s something or not. If there’s something, fine. If not, we wouldn’t know, so it’s fine as well.
Actually, you're born one. Every animal (including humans) is born a aetheist. Unfortunately, most humans are polluted by religion, a product of the human condition.
If you put 1000 infant humans on an island with absolutely NO contact with the outside world, I would bet my life savings that none would EVER come Christians. None.
I respect this answer. Thank you.
Just don't dig the people on here that are full of shit.
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Actually, you're born one. Every animal (including humans) is born a aetheist. Unfortunately, most humans are polluted by religion, a product of the human condition.
If you put 1000 infant humans on an island with absolutely NO contact with the outside world, I would bet my life savings that none would EVER come Christians. None.
you're right, but they probably would create their own religion over the course of time.
You're going to get this with all bands really, this sick kind of blind hero worship. Ironically, what I'm about to say might be interpetated as that becuase I know the quote off by heart but I think this quote by Vedder sums it up well, when replying to a fan who said she loved him: "You don't love me, you don't' even know who I am."
Or it was something like that anyway. It's just kind of sad. I like Vedder and Pearl Jam, that's why I'm here. But they shit and they stink, they're real. Which means they can fuck up and not always be perfect . And that's cool.
You're going to get this with all bands really, this sick kind of blind hero worship. Ironically, what I'm about to say might be interpetated as that becuase I know the quote off by heart but I think this quote by Vedder sums it up well, when replying to a fan who said she loved him: "You don't love me, you don't' even know who I am."
i once heard him say "love the music not the musician"
I'd love to just have a beer with Ed fire up a fatty and talk politics into th wee hours.I'm a patriot like him and probably one of the most political minded people on this board! that is what drew me to this band a long time ago.Ed and i share a lot of the same views and i totally dig his out outspokenness.I feel a "kindred spirit" type connection with him.(plus he makes some of my favorite music) so not everyone is a dick swinger or mindless drone trying to emulate him without knowing why.
You're going to get this with all bands really, this sick kind of blind hero worship. Ironically, what I'm about to say might be interpetated as that becuase I know the quote off by heart but I think this quote by Vedder sums it up well, when replying to a fan who said she loved him: "You don't love me, you don't' even know who I am."
i once heard him say "love the music not the musician"
I'd love to just have a beer with Ed fire up a fatty and talk politics into th wee hours.I'm a patriot like him and probably one of the most political minded people on this board! that is what drew me to this band a long time ago.Ed and i share a lot of the same views and i totally dig his out outspokenness.I feel a "kindred spirit" type connection with him.(plus he makes some of my favorite music) so not everyone is a dick swinger or mindless drone trying to emulate him without knowing why.
You're going to get this with all bands really, this sick kind of blind hero worship. Ironically, what I'm about to say might be interpetated as that becuase I know the quote off by heart but I think this quote by Vedder sums it up well, when replying to a fan who said she loved him: "You don't love me, you don't' even know who I am."
i once heard him say "love the music not the musician"
I'd love to just have a beer with Ed fire up a fatty and talk politics into th wee hours.I'm a patriot like him and probably one of the most political minded people on this board! that is what drew me to this band a long time ago.Ed and i share a lot of the same views and i totally dig his out outspokenness.I feel a "kindred spirit" type connection with him.(plus he makes some of my favorite music) so not everyone is a dick swinger or mindless drone trying to emulate him without knowing why.
Apparently, we are one of the fastest growing minorities so there is hope for modern civilization! I think with today's access to information, organized religion cannot possibly maintain as powerful a grip on the minds of the young.
please!! if you had not noticed,the more we fall from God the WORSE "civilization" gets.Your ignorance as far as the Bible and Christianity is astounding and your inept ramblings reveal just how much you DON'T know what the hell you are talking about.
the priest molesting kids is NOT Christianity, the scum bag on TV preaching lies trying to swindle old folks out of their money is not Christianity! that piece of shit some call President,bombing innocent Iraqis into the stone age is NOT Christianity! all these zealots and right wing extremists are not Christians! i realize to the uneducated mind it may be impossible to differentiate between the two.But i assure you there is a HUGE difference!!
now I'm not going to bad mouth you simply because you choose to believe there is no God,you have a right to think as you choose.BUT you better show equal respect when you are talking about my faith!!!
Ed shouldn't be mocking people that are different or believe different than he does. It's extremely hypocritical. Typical liberal line though...if you don't believe what they believe, you're close minded sheep. The irony is hilarious.
I agree that he shouldn't be mocking people... there's nothing wrong with religion and people who choose to follow and I think it's ignorant of people to say how others should live... however, isn't the second half of your paragraph just as ignorant?
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I love when people i dont know just assume i know nothing about religion;p
which proves my point.. Religion is a meer fantasy humans created for themselves.To help themselves sleep at night. Its not easy to go through life with the actual truth.
well it's quite obvious you don't know what you're talking about and that is based on your drivel not an assumption.
If you have respect for one religion ... you must have respect for all ...
So i just choose to not respect any of it. The fact of the matter is.. none of you fucking people have a clue over anyone else about the "big picture"
that's why this whole planet is fucked!! people like YOU!! not religion.Christianity teaches us to love and respect all people regardless of faith or creed.But you "don't respect any of it" there for you are disrespecting billions of people.
and don't refer to me as "you fucking people", i would appreciate it.
I liked this thread better when it was about Ed's ego instead of our own.
It had the potential to deliver a certain analytical view of Ed's preaching and the reactions of those present when he has the microphone. To introduce faith, atheism, and the causes of good and evil in society really lost the original point of this discussion.
Nice try, otis. Maybe next time.
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I liked this thread better when it was about Ed's ego instead of our own.
It had the potential to deliver a certain analytical view of Ed's preaching and the reactions of those present when he has the microphone. To introduce faith, atheism, and the causes of good and evil in society really lost the original point of this discussion.
Nice try, otis. Maybe next time.
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As I said before, the way this thread has turned is so much more boring and pointless than the OP's orginal though-provoking discussion topic. Okay, everyone, here's a line. Everyone who thinks there's a God, get on this side. Now everyone else, on the other. And, we're done. There comes a point where there's a stalemate, and we've reached it. Neither of you are enlightening anyone. Some of you cite the Bible, which has been translated and edited so many times it's ridiculous. Others are citing Christopher Hitchens, who still thinks the fucking war in Iraq was a good idea. I almost wish there was some way you could ALL be wrong.
Sorry agnostics, forgot about you. You guys can stand on the line.
As for the original intent of this discussion, I do think it's funny how people throw around the "blindly following like sheep" argument whenever someone disagrees with them, especially with things like religion. I've also run into the same thing when dealing with the goofy 9/11 conspiracy theorists (for the love of God - or nothing, if that's your thing - don't turn this into THAT fucking discussion! I'm done with it!) They always say we're just believing what we've been told blindly simply because they don't believe it. By that rationale, the only truths are completely original ones, because any others would be "blindly" following the beliefs of others. Long story short, no one has cornered the market on open-mindedness. I certainly think some of the dumbasses on this board have provent that.
I was a liberal before I was aware of Pearl Jams political views. As a liberal, Ed & I do share many of the same viewpoints. However, I make my own political decisions.
The problem is that many Pearl Jam fans think all my thoughts come from Ed, as if it is impossible for multiple people to share the same viewpoint.
In response to those of you who assume all liberals are hypocritical, don't you think that is a generalization? Just like there are many kinds of Christians, Republicans, Conservatives, and musical groups, there are indeed many types of liberals.
As far as the free speech argument goes: Pearl Jam can say and believe whatever the fuck they want. Just like we can say and believe whatever the fuck we want. The difference is, Pearl Jam has a much bigger stage. It is a stage they earned through hard work and amazing talent.
Nice thoughts; I usually think of Pearl Jam fans as the most educated and best thinking of the bunch, but there are a lot of jackholes.
:rolleyes: gee, thanks for the kind words buddy. not sure if you know this or not but most of us dumbfucks became fans through their music, not their political or religious views. is a college degree required to listen to PJ ???
I love Ed and all, but I find him to be very closed minded. Actually, most so-called liberal and progressive thinkers are the most close-minded. If you don't agree with them, then keep your mouth shut. I'll take a religious person anyday.
They always say we're just believing what we've been told blindly simply because they don't believe it. By that rationale, the only truths are completely original ones, because any others would be "blindly" following the beliefs of others. Long story short, no one has cornered the market on open-mindedness. I certainly think some of the dumbasses on this board have provent that.
Here here--the pendulum swings both ways. Thanks for your thought provoking insights, I had almost givin up on this thread.
The eye first appeared as a light sensitive pad atop a primitive creature's head, enabling it to tell whether it was nighttime or daytime (to avoid predators). Those creatures who didn't develop this "eye" were eaten, hence natural selection. Over the course of evolution, this eye pad recessed and became concave, enabling the creature to determine the angle of the sunlight and tell the time. Protective layers then grew and evolved to protect the eye and it eventually became the shape of a ball.
If you're buddy upstairs created the eyeball, why is it upside down? Was he drunk when he "designed it"?
Here endeth the science lesson.
As a member of the "uneducated" Jammers AKA non-religious fools, I have one question for you!
Where you get this info? I liked to read it.
Funny how none of the religious folks here have addressed my explanation for the eyeball or how the Good Samaritan had morals before Christianity existed. They like to dodge this stuff, it's how they reconcile all the fucked-up nonsense in the Bible.
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you are talking about people who paid 60 bucks to see 1/6th of pearl jam. what did you expect.
and ive always enjoyed the folks i encounter at pj shows. i hope i never meet you.
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Good for her!
Apparently, we are one of the fastest growing minorities so there is hope for modern civilization! I think with today's access to information, organized religion cannot possibly maintain as powerful a grip on the minds of the young.
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One thing's for sure, God sure as shit ain't gonna pay my bills.
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I think you are correct. I think that as people start to get the information they need to make a more informed decision, the myth that is monotheism will go the same way as the mythology of the Greeks and Romans.
Have a good evening. Time to turn the computer over to the wife :-)
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Actually, you're born one. Every animal (including humans) is born a aetheist. Unfortunately, most humans are polluted by religion, a product of the human condition.
If you put 1000 infant humans on an island with absolutely NO contact with the outside world, I would bet my life savings that none would EVER come Christians. None.
Wait a minute, Ed's human?
This made me laugh out loud.
He was not a good sport at all about the fans chanting USA in 2003 in Uniondale, but I think it had more to do with people throwing things at the band.
The excitement and stupidity only bothers me when it interferes with people enjoying the show. Like the drunk guy who sings way too loud, off key and the wrong words. He is the one who usually spills his beer on me too. Fucking dick.
As for the religion thing, I have never told another human that their life was pointless without Pearl Jam. Believe what you want just leave me out of it. Eddie kind of gets to say whatever he wants because he is who we all had come too see. I wouldn't get pissed if I was in a church and the Pope was talking about god. If Eddie wants to spread his liberal ideas so be it, we just pay him to stand in front of the mic, the rest is up to him .
I admit that I have thought about the kind of wine that Eddie drinks. I am human too. I have been to church, people do crazy things in church just like a shows. What if you saw someone speaking toughs at a restaurant?
Edit: I just thought about how people got pissed at Jesus for speaking his mind, so they killed him. It's hard to remember these days but Jesus was a liberal radical. He too spoke against the majority.
I was just talking about this very subject the other day. I don't understand why people don't realize rock stars or celebrities are just people like we are ...no better, no worse. They might like what I'm drinking better for all they know. I know I like it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I would consider myself a “religious” person, but I don’t believe in any institution.
But religion gives certain people hope, and for that it’s good. If they have a shitty life, they want the hope that at least their afterlife will be nice. they need something to hold on to.
When we’re dead, we will know if there’s something or not. If there’s something, fine. If not, we wouldn’t know, so it’s fine as well.
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It's so true though.
I respect this answer. Thank you.
Just don't dig the people on here that are full of shit.
Did you just learn the word ignorance?
you're right, but they probably would create their own religion over the course of time.
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You're going to get this with all bands really, this sick kind of blind hero worship. Ironically, what I'm about to say might be interpetated as that becuase I know the quote off by heart
Or it was something like that anyway. It's just kind of sad. I like Vedder and Pearl Jam, that's why I'm here. But they shit and they stink, they're real. Which means they can fuck up and not always be perfect
i once heard him say "love the music not the musician"
I'd love to just have a beer with Ed fire up a fatty and talk politics into th wee hours.I'm a patriot like him and probably one of the most political minded people on this board! that is what drew me to this band a long time ago.Ed and i share a lot of the same views and i totally dig his out outspokenness.I feel a "kindred spirit" type connection with him.(plus he makes some of my favorite music) so not everyone is a dick swinger or mindless drone trying to emulate him without knowing why.
i once heard him say "love the music not the musician"
I'd love to just have a beer with Ed fire up a fatty and talk politics into th wee hours.I'm a patriot like him and probably one of the most political minded people on this board! that is what drew me to this band a long time ago.Ed and i share a lot of the same views and i totally dig his out outspokenness.I feel a "kindred spirit" type connection with him.(plus he makes some of my favorite music) so not everyone is a dick swinger or mindless drone trying to emulate him without knowing why.
i once heard him say "love the music not the musician"
I'd love to just have a beer with Ed fire up a fatty and talk politics into th wee hours.I'm a patriot like him and probably one of the most political minded people on this board! that is what drew me to this band a long time ago.Ed and i share a lot of the same views and i totally dig his out outspokenness.I feel a "kindred spirit" type connection with him.(plus he makes some of my favorite music) so not everyone is a dick swinger or mindless drone trying to emulate him without knowing why.
please!! if you had not noticed,the more we fall from God the WORSE "civilization" gets.Your ignorance as far as the Bible and Christianity is astounding and your inept ramblings reveal just how much you DON'T know what the hell you are talking about.
the priest molesting kids is NOT Christianity, the scum bag on TV preaching lies trying to swindle old folks out of their money is not Christianity! that piece of shit some call President,bombing innocent Iraqis into the stone age is NOT Christianity! all these zealots and right wing extremists are not Christians! i realize to the uneducated mind it may be impossible to differentiate between the two.But i assure you there is a HUGE difference!!
now I'm not going to bad mouth you simply because you choose to believe there is no God,you have a right to think as you choose.BUT you better show equal respect when you are talking about my faith!!!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
well it's quite obvious you don't know what you're talking about and that is based on your drivel not an assumption.
that's why this whole planet is fucked!! people like YOU!! not religion.Christianity teaches us to love and respect all people regardless of faith or creed.But you "don't respect any of it" there for you are disrespecting billions of people.
and don't refer to me as "you fucking people", i would appreciate it.
It had the potential to deliver a certain analytical view of Ed's preaching and the reactions of those present when he has the microphone. To introduce faith, atheism, and the causes of good and evil in society really lost the original point of this discussion.
Nice try, otis. Maybe next time.
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Sorry agnostics, forgot about you. You guys can stand on the line.
As for the original intent of this discussion, I do think it's funny how people throw around the "blindly following like sheep" argument whenever someone disagrees with them, especially with things like religion. I've also run into the same thing when dealing with the goofy 9/11 conspiracy theorists (for the love of God - or nothing, if that's your thing - don't turn this into THAT fucking discussion! I'm done with it!) They always say we're just believing what we've been told blindly simply because they don't believe it. By that rationale, the only truths are completely original ones, because any others would be "blindly" following the beliefs of others. Long story short, no one has cornered the market on open-mindedness. I certainly think some of the dumbasses on this board have provent that.
The problem is that many Pearl Jam fans think all my thoughts come from Ed, as if it is impossible for multiple people to share the same viewpoint.
In response to those of you who assume all liberals are hypocritical, don't you think that is a generalization? Just like there are many kinds of Christians, Republicans, Conservatives, and musical groups, there are indeed many types of liberals.
As far as the free speech argument goes: Pearl Jam can say and believe whatever the fuck they want. Just like we can say and believe whatever the fuck we want. The difference is, Pearl Jam has a much bigger stage. It is a stage they earned through hard work and amazing talent.
Just my 2 cents. Peace and Love.
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Where you get this info? I liked to read it.
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