No Boots ~ No Ed Pics

dontloseyourheat wrote:

The lack of communication is the problem. It would be much better if they said "no recording because we are going to release an official cd" or "no recording because Into the Wild is a soundtrack and the studio won't let us allow taping" or just "no recording because the band's views have changed and they no longer support trading."

How about no recording because the concept of a boot for personal use has become obsolete now that you can just post in on myspace and share it with millions?

meme wrote:

How about no recording because the concept of a boot for personal use has become obsolete now that you can just post in on myspace and share it with millions?

That doesn't make any sense at all to me. Recordings in the past have been sold by bootleggers. With people recording and freely trading, it took the market away from bootleggers. Restricting recording/sharing will not decrease the number of shows recorded (I'm sure all of EV's solo shows have been recorded), it just increases the opportunity for unscrupulous people to profit from them.

Im still here wrote:

this is just ridiculous

and to now delete Touch Base shows where Pearl Jam stands with their fans

(this is all about money.....)

if you want to diss all the fans for a $15.99 boot

or a $50 picture book

we might Love PJ, but we are not dumb

this post doesn't make any sense.

hopethatuchoke wrote:

lol. Serious legal implications for taking pictures and recording? Righttttt. I seem to recall many interviews back in the day in which Ed indicated he taped tons of shows in San Diego back in the day. If you apologists can't admit that things are changing and a big reason behind that is money then you are nuts.

As a sidenote, what was Touch Base?

And I also remember that he copped some beatings as a result of that.
His art- His right to do as he pleases.
Thankfull for what I have, not what I want

hopethatuchoke wrote:

What was selfish about his statement?

I cant stand when you you guys say this doesnt make sense
or you re ask someoens statement just to sound smarter.

What cant you understand about his statement, it is selfish to cry his eyes out that they might go back to the binaurul way of making hard live cds for 16 bucks.
And he is crying selfish that he cant get pics of ed for free, he has to buy a published book.
What more would like to hear it in 7 differant languages.. I mean no harm but christ, its every debate. You knew what his thread meant you just dont see it and agree with us.

Just like the myspace quote from jefbr
you dont get that ed doesnt want millions downloading his shows the next day from myspace, I mean how hard is it to just read the ten club rules on the tour, like cromiam said, would you like it drawn in crayons and construction papaer.

Why do you have to discredit us fans fro stating the obvious, it just gets all to fucking personal.
What it comes down to is this, selfish people only see what they want too and will discredit anyone to prove their point.

sadprofessor wrote:

Weighing in kind of late in the thread here...

My speculation:

This tour is kind of a small intimate experiement for Ed. I think he wants the freedom to do what he wants and maybe fuck up a bit, maybe try some new things, maybe not. But ultimately, he gets to do what he wants and not have to answer to everyone everywhere.

Rather than having immediate recordings and scrutiny from everyone, he gets to be a little more free.

It isn't a matter of "he is doing something wrong" or "screwing the fans." There isn't a better or worse, just different.

And ultimately, fuck it. You know recordings are out there. You know you can find them.

...
And even if you can't have it today... it doesn't mean it won't be available in the future, right?
Like, at the Wiltern... there was a camera set up at the back of the theater. A guy I met asked the cameraman what it was for... the cameraman said, 'It's for Ed'. So, who knows what's in Ed's head?
I say, let Ed decide, not us.

Stephen Flow wrote:

Maybe all the idiots with cameras in the audience creep Ed out just a bit.

Edit: I also think that we as a fan base need to just shut the fuck up for once about this type of bullshit... It comes off as immature and ultimately stupid. The band has been making money off of it's fans for ages, this is nothing different... if they weren't making money they wouldn't be considered successful... if they WANT to release something, then they will... if not... then how does it feel to want? Complaining gets you nowhere and makes you look, as I said before, pretty stupid and immature.

exactly

Stephen Flow wrote:

Maybe all the idiots with cameras in the audience creep Ed out just a bit.

Edit: I also think that we as a fan base need to just shut the fuck up for once about this type of bullshit... It comes off as immature and ultimately stupid. The band has been making money off of it's fans for ages, this is nothing different... if they weren't making money they wouldn't be considered successful... if they WANT to release something, then they will... if not... then how does it feel to want? Complaining gets you nowhere and makes you look, as I said before, pretty stupid and immature.

...
Amen, Brother Stephen...
And just look at all of the Pearl Jam stuff that is already available. There is a ton more things out there... official from the band things, not bootlegger crap... than you can find for other bands. in other words... there's already a bunch of stuff out there... and if you have absolutely everything already... you scare me.

hopethatuchoke wrote:

lol. Serious legal implications for taking pictures and recording? Righttttt. I seem to recall many interviews back in the day in which Ed indicated he taped tons of shows in San Diego back in the day.

True, but he wasn't promoting material/images/merchandise part-owned by a big film company, then.