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No Boots ~ No Ed Pics

Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
edited April 2008 in The Porch
this is just ridiculous

and to now delete Touch Base shows where Pearl Jam stands with their fans

(this is all about money.....)

if you want to diss all the fans for a $15.99 boot

or a $50 picture book

we might Love PJ, but we are not dumb
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  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,018
    lets wait and see if we get a no recording policy for this tour..........
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  • Murderers.Murderers. Posts: 1,382
    One minute Ed doesn't support Nader, the next minute we can't have boots. I don't want to believe he's selling out, but that's how things are looking.

    I'll just have a little faith for now.
    What the fuck is this world?
  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    Im still here wrote:
    this is just ridiculous

    and to now delete Touch Base shows where Pearl Jam stands with their fans

    (this is all about money.....)

    if you want to diss all the fans for a $15.99 boot

    or a $50 picture book

    we might Love PJ, but we are not dumb

    Yeah, I don't remember EVER reading anything from the 10Club or Pearl Jam that said we were guaranteed bootlegs or photos or anything else. It is not our right to expect everything we want from them. It's their product and they can do whatever they want with it; it is not in OUR control. If you don't like the 10C and what they do, stop being a member.

    Touring and records is really all we need to expect as fans. Anything else is a bonus.

    Get over your sense of entitlement...
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Vedderfan10 wrote:
    Yeah, I don't remember EVER reading anything from the 10Club or Pearl Jam that said we were guaranteed bootlegs or photos or anything else. It is not our right to expect everything we want from them. It's their product and they can do whatever they want with it; it is not in OUR control. If you don't like the 10C and what they do, stop being a member.

    Touring and records is really all we need to expect as fans. Anything else is a bonus.

    Get over your sense of entitlement...

    couldn't have said it better myself :)
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    Vedderfan10 wrote:
    Yeah, I don't remember EVER reading anything from the 10Club or Pearl Jam that said we were guaranteed bootlegs or photos or anything else. It is not our right to expect everything we want from them. It's their product and they can do whatever they want with it; it is not in OUR control. If you don't like the 10C and what they do, stop being a member.

    Touring and records is really all we need to expect as fans. Anything else is a bonus.

    Get over your sense of entitlement...

    funny thing is other bands aren't acting like this

    STP is coming so maybe I will give 10C "the boot"
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    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    Eddie Vedder solo does not equal Pearl Jam.

    I am sure there are serious legal implications that have to be considered. It may be easier to just forgo these things than to fight through the legal bureaucracy. It is only a handful of shows don't forget. Ed hasn't launched a solo career here.
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  • jack_bass_playerjack_bass_player Posts: 1,126
    but hopefully the no recording and no pics policy is because they are releasing a dvd of the ed solo shows...

    i wish :(
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  • hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    Eddie Vedder solo does not equal Pearl Jam.

    I am sure there are serious legal implications that have to be considered. It may be easier to just forgo these things than to fight through the legal bureaucracy. It is only a handful of shows don't forget. Ed hasn't launched a solo career here.


    lol. Serious legal implications for taking pictures and recording? Righttttt. I seem to recall many interviews back in the day in which Ed indicated he taped tons of shows in San Diego back in the day. If you apologists can't admit that things are changing and a big reason behind that is money then you are nuts.

    As a sidenote, what was Touch Base?
  • ClariceClarice Posts: 256
    cutback wrote:
    couldn't have said it better myself :)

    agree
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    lol. Serious legal implications for taking pictures and recording? Righttttt. I seem to recall many interviews back in the day in which Ed indicated he taped tons of shows in San Diego back in the day. If you apologists can't admit that things are changing and a big reason behind that is money then you are nuts.

    As a sidenote, what was Touch Base?

    Touch Base is a Pearl Jam subsection in this forum

    (for boots)
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    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    jack_bass_player wrote:
    but hopefully the no recording and no pics policy is because they are releasing a dvd of the ed solo shows...

    i wish :(

    no cameras but there are mic's pointed toward the audience so hopefully boots :)
  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    Im still here wrote:
    Touch Base is a Pearl Jam subsection in this forum

    (for boots)

    right...now go trade your shows in the "given to fly" forum...
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  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,018
    but vedder has played solo shows before and taping was allowed then. so what changed now? 10c or the band dont owe us answers but i think we can ask questions. the 2000 bootlegs were for the fans, there was tons of talk about how little profit the band made off these. they just wanted the fans to have good sounding bootlegs. by 2005 it was about profit. i think there is some questionable things happening.

    you cant say it isnt weird that there arent any vedder setlists or show pics up yet. when on the site itself they include into the wild as a pearl jam album.......
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  • Bangers_n_mashBangers_n_mash Posts: 1,241
    Touch Base was for getting in touch with and discussing Basecamp Productions when they were releasing digital bootlegs. It was only for Basecamp, and they haven't released anything for over a year.

    The closure of Touch Base has no bearing on anything. It's been totally redundant for ages now.
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  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    Im still here wrote:
    funny thing is other bands aren't acting like this

    Pearl Jam/Ed Vedder are not other bands. What other bands do is their gig. We're talking about Pearl Jam here...

    As for how things used to be...THINGS CHANGE (like the music biz, for example). It can't always be the same. What happened in the past may not be possible now. And its up to Pearl Jam how they want to distribute their product...just wait and hope for the best.
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  • talkshowhosttalkshowhost Posts: 54
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    lol. Serious legal implications for taking pictures and recording? Righttttt. I seem to recall many interviews back in the day in which Ed indicated he taped tons of shows in San Diego back in the day. If you apologists can't admit that things are changing and a big reason behind that is money then you are nuts.

    As a sidenote, what was Touch Base?


    Serious legal implications for taking pictures? Doubtful, I agree. But this point has been discussed before and, considering the problems at the Vic, I really believe this has nothing to do with any kind of legal issues.

    Serious legal implications for recording the shows? Completely different thing as there's at least a label involved (with all their financial interests), sometimes even a publishing company. In this case (as most of the songs are part of a soundtrack) maybe even the movie company could own parts of the rights.

    Anyway, I don't understand the problem with Touch Base, it was meant to get in contact with basement productions about their releases (and, as far as I know, they charged us for them). Now basecamp is down, so it makes sense to close touch base. Most boot trading takes place in "Given to fly" anyway, so nothing really changed. Maybe you have to invest a little more time to find what you're looking for - what a sellout!

    Maybe people sometimes should think before posting, it would only be a "sellout" if after the tour a picture book would be released or some recordings of any kind. You have to make money to be a "sellout" and I don't see this here.

    By the way ... you obiously live in tapers paradise, in Europe it's higly uncommon to allow recording a show.
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  • dontloseyourheatdontloseyourheat Posts: 483
    The lack of communication is the problem. It would be much better if they said "no recording because we are going to release an official cd" or "no recording because Into the Wild is a soundtrack and the studio won't let us allow taping" or just "no recording because the band's views have changed and they no longer support trading."

    Instead they just keep changing policies while leaving us in the dark which causes people, rightly so, to get pissed off and question their motives.
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  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,050
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    lol. Serious legal implications for taking pictures and recording? Righttttt. I seem to recall many interviews back in the day in which Ed indicated he taped tons of shows in San Diego back in the day. If you apologists can't admit that things are changing and a big reason behind that is money then you are nuts.

    As a sidenote, what was Touch Base?

    You act like PJ do not have contracts. I will bet that each and every member has an individual contract that has some sort of restrictions on merchandising. PJ is a business that supports dozens of people besides PJ. They have to protect those people too. Who knows, I am probably wrong.

    If they are not talking everything is speculation.
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  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    Bangers'n'mash wrote:
    Touch Base was for getting in touch with and discussing Basecamp Productions when they were releasing digital bootlegs. It was only for Basecamp, and they haven't released anything for over a year.

    The closure of Touch Base has no bearing on anything. It's been totally redundant for ages now.

    it was a place where boots where traded

    not just BaseCamp
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    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    The lack of communication is the problem. It would be much better if they said "no recording because we are going to release an official cd" or "no recording because Into the Wild is a soundtrack and the studio won't let us allow taping" or just "no recording because the band's views have changed and they no longer support trading."

    Instead they just keep changing policies while leaving us in the dark which causes people, rightly so, to get pissed off and question their motives.


    Agreed. And they have this problem with just about everything.
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  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Im still here wrote:
    funny thing is other bands aren't acting like this

    STP is coming so maybe I will give 10C "the boot"


    go pay $46 to join their 'fan club'...

    i hear you get access to the stp message board for that.


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  • Bangers_n_mashBangers_n_mash Posts: 1,241
    Im still here wrote:
    it was a place where boots where traded

    not just BaseCamp
    No, it was just Basecamp. Hence the name.
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  • Murderers.Murderers. Posts: 1,382
    Bangers'n'mash wrote:
    No, it was just Basecamp. Hence the name.
    Originally, then people started using it for all sorts.
    What the fuck is this world?
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    brainofPJ wrote:
    go pay $46 to join their 'fan club'...

    i hear you get access to the stp message board for that.

    at least they are playin Texas
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    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,884
    Im still here wrote:

    if you want to diss all the fans for a $15.99 boot

    or a $50 picture book

    As far as the boots go, we were lucky to be paying only $10 for MP3s for so long. you take pearl jam and their unorthodox ways for granted. I remembered when the 2000 tour was released on CD. I went around raving about it to anyone who would listen. Really, a double-disc live album from one of the world's best live bands and it only costs $16. plus, you have the option of buying any show you want so you can buy shows you attended or pick and choose from the tracklists to get the specific songs you want. with what other band does that happen? Led Zeppelin released 3 live albums in their entire 40 year existance (The Song Remains, BBC Sessions, How The West Was Won). I got 'em. payed over $20 for each but they all rock and were well worth it. but I much preferred how I have had the choice of upwards (and maybe over) 300 Pearl Jam live albums over the past 10 years.....ranging from $10 via simple download to $15 for the sweet Binaural tour boots in the stores.

    now as far as $50 picture books go, you just don't have to buy one. just like I don't have to (and never would) buy one.
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  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    Bangers'n'mash wrote:
    No, it was just Basecamp. Hence the name.


    wrong again, it may have started like that

    but it became something more to alot of us
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    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • opsopcopolisopsopcopolis Posts: 1,198
    I have a feeling that the fact that we aren't aloud to record the solo dates, is because ed doesn't have sole rights to the ITW stuff. The studio also has rights to those songs.
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  • Murderers.Murderers. Posts: 1,382
    opsopcopolis wrote:
    I have a feeling that the fact that we aren't aloud to record the solo dates, is because ed doesn't have sole rights to the ITW stuff. The studio also has rights to those songs.
    Maybe, but we havn't been told that. There's been no reasoning at all to why this is happening.
    What the fuck is this world?
  • EquallyWorthlessEquallyWorthless Posts: 3,993
    Vedderfan10 wrote:
    Yeah, I don't remember EVER reading anything from the 10Club or Pearl Jam that said we were guaranteed bootlegs or photos or anything else. It is not our right to expect everything we want from them. It's their product and they can do whatever they want with it; it is not in OUR control. If you don't like the 10C and what they do, stop being a member.

    Touring and records is really all we need to expect as fans. Anything else is a bonus.

    Get over your sense of entitlement...


    oh maaaaaaaan i have been wanting to say this for days now to everyone !!!! but havent for fear of being flamed!!! Im glad someone said it !
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  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    The lack of communication is the problem. It would be much better if they said "no recording because we are going to release an official cd" or "no recording because Into the Wild is a soundtrack and the studio won't let us allow taping" or just "no recording because the band's views have changed and they no longer support trading."

    Instead they just keep changing policies while leaving us in the dark which causes people, rightly so, to get pissed off and question their motives.


    agreed. this has been the biggest downfall since 2005 or so.

    the latest move of pulling the 4.7.08 recording is making PJ look like the bad guy. it could easily be avoided with a simple explanation. they dont feel like we deserve that, and that speaks volumes.
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