Boston Red Sox

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

wait, this makes NO sense.

First of all, why is it so horrible to play sports? There of plenty of college kids who didn't have the opportunity/talent to play sports but would have preferred that over college! Playing baseball isn't a "nice job"?

and what about an american kid who fails out of college...what do they go home to? Sure life in America may be better all around, but they're still stuck in a shitty job and whatnot.

I don't understand why you think ortiz and manny have such horrible lives...they may have been born into bad circumstances yes, but come on! they used their abilities to better their lives! they are now doing better than all of us-they play a kid's game for millions of dollars. who knows, maybe they would have preferred to be doctors, but there are probably thousands of doctors who would prefer to be baseball players! I'd rather be a rock star...you do what you can...

also with the white american kid who fails out of college...at least (s)he got the opportunity to do so. Very few Dominican children get that opportunity and that is partially the United States fault.

ryan198 wrote:

Very few Dominican children get that opportunity and that is partially the United States fault.

sounds GOOD!

NOCODE#1 wrote:

you know there's a millions of people (regardless of what team that root for) that dont care where a player came from

im sorry if you think sports fans give a shit :rolleyes:

Why are you getting so frustrated with this? You always seem so keen to critique business pracitces in AMT. If sport is a business (which it obviously is) why should it be considered anything different than Halliburton, AT&T, or critiqued any less than our government (which is also a business)? I mean the Seattle Supersonics are holding a city hostage over its stadium, and many other teams do the same thing. As for the players, you really think millions of people care where there sneakers, computers, ipods, etc. come from? Does that mean that we shouldn't?

It comes down to the fact that in America we are still willing to overlook the oppression of the many for the wealth of the few (and I'm not talking about Ortiz, and Manny Ramirez here). Yes this is just as serious as any other aspect of our society, kids in the DR are dying because they take horse steroids to get bigger, they are told that they are failures if they don't make it to the big leagues, and many fall into a spiral of depression when that happens. All of this stunts the development of the DR economy, because they depend so highly on MLB money coming in, which reduces the need for school and so on.

And if you think sport is unimportant/not worthy of being critical of just think that it has been used by almost every major political leader around the world to justify, or defend the 'inherent' strength of their country. Why do you think we play the national anthem before games? B/c Adolf Hitler popularized it in the Berlin Olympics, or is it any wonder we play "God Bless America" during the 7th inning stretch, place American flags on everything we can, even on players whose countries are oppressed by the United States. I'm sorry, you can roll your eyes, but sports do matter.

ryan198 wrote:

Little League tricks not fitting in on the Red Sox? Isn't that how they got their nickname "the idiots" in 04, isn't this the same team that Masking taped Li-lly on their backs in '03, gave "suck it" signs to the A's, taunted another team by calling them the "Evil Empire"...seems to me A-Rod would be a great fit.

I missed the Lilly incident in 2003 because I was in the Philippines, but the Evil Empire thing was started by one of the owners of the Red Sox after the Yanks signed Contreras.

I don't really blame the players on that one.

But if we're talking front office stupidity, how about Theo Epstein sneaking out of dodge in a gorilla outfit after resigning to avoid the media in 05.

Solat13 wrote:

I missed the Lilly incident in 2003 because I was in the Philippines, but the Evil Empire thing was started by one of the owners of the Red Sox after the Yanks signed Contreras.

I don't really blame the players on that one.

But if we're talking front office stupidity, how about Theo Epstein sneaking out of dodge in a gorilla outfit after resigning to avoid the media in 05.

Haha....that was a funny one...wasn't that when he went on to do his "social work" in South America. Then many others, myself included, spotted him backstage at Argentina #1 and #2. As far as Evil Empire, no it wasn't the players, you are right, but just the idea that the Red Sox are somehow 'above' Little League tricks is funny...that's what made them kind of endearing at first. Kinda like the Patriots.

ryan198 wrote:

Not really, it's more to think with and argue with people who have the most invested in what I am currently doing. Plus its a fun break. If you don't want to think about what rooting for the Red Sox means, then don't participate. If you want to say "yahoo the Red Sox won" then fine, in fact, if the Brewers won, or the Cowboys won, or the "U" won I'd do the same, but it wouldn't stop me from wondering what rooting for them meant - others seem to be participating while celebrating...sorry if that upsets you.

Further, I often find that more than overt racism/sexism/classism, etc. people get more frustrated with the idea that their team's fan base represents some of the worst 'white privilege' has to offer. I'd argue that rather than get frustrated about it, understand it, accept it, and work to get other people to understand it. Look, Pedro Martinez is my favorite player ever to play baseball, and it bothered me to see the way he was treated in Boston especially later in his career, so I'm writing my dissertation about it. It's better than just complaining correct?

Now your making some sense and I see where your coming from. I'll have more on this later when I lived in Boston in the 70's and the things I had to go through there seeing and feeling racism from both sides. Back to work.

Peace

ryan198 wrote:

Not really, it's more to think with and argue with people who have the most invested in what I am currently doing. Plus its a fun break. If you don't want to think about what rooting for the Red Sox means, then don't participate. If you want to say "yahoo the Red Sox won" then fine, in fact, if the Brewers won, or the Cowboys won, or the "U" won I'd do the same, but it wouldn't stop me from wondering what rooting for them meant - others seem to be participating while celebrating...sorry if that upsets you.

Wait, your in here wirting about all the shitty things the Sox & Sox mgmt did ... and you cheer for the Cowboys and the University of Miami?

That's rich!

ryan198 wrote:

Not really, it's more to think with and argue with people who have the most invested in what I am currently doing. Plus its a fun break. If you don't want to think about what rooting for the Red Sox means, then don't participate. If you want to say "yahoo the Red Sox won" then fine, in fact, if the Brewers won, or the Cowboys won, or the "U" won I'd do the same, but it wouldn't stop me from wondering what rooting for them meant - others seem to be participating while celebrating...sorry if that upsets you.

Further, I often find that more than overt racism/sexism/classism, etc. people get more frustrated with the idea that their team's fan base represents some of the worst 'white privilege' has to offer. I'd argue that rather than get frustrated about it, understand it, accept it, and work to get other people to understand it. Look, Pedro Martinez is my favorite player ever to play baseball, and it bothered me to see the way he was treated in Boston especially later in his career, so I'm writing my dissertation about it. It's better than just complaining correct?

Pedro was loved in Boston until he starting being a primadonna. It has nothing to do with racism. That's a bunch of bullshit - is Ortiz going through the same thing?

ryan198 wrote:

Not really, it's more to think with and argue with people who have the most invested in what I am currently doing. Plus its a fun break. If you don't want to think about what rooting for the Red Sox means, then don't participate. If you want to say "yahoo the Red Sox won" then fine, in fact, if the Brewers won, or the Cowboys won, or the "U" won I'd do the same, but it wouldn't stop me from wondering what rooting for them meant - others seem to be participating while celebrating...sorry if that upsets you.

Further, I often find that more than overt racism/sexism/classism, etc. people get more frustrated with the idea that their team's fan base represents some of the worst 'white privilege' has to offer. I'd argue that rather than get frustrated about it, understand it, accept it, and work to get other people to understand it. Look, Pedro Martinez is my favorite player ever to play baseball, and it bothered me to see the way he was treated in Boston especially later in his career, so I'm writing my dissertation about it. It's better than just complaining correct?

Any A-Rod discussion should be in A 2008 MLB THREAD

not this one

this is THE 2007 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS THREAD

Red Sox Domi-Nation speaks for itself.

Red Sox Nation rules and now I can't wait to go down to Spring Training once again in March. It's the best seeing the team grow from beginning to the end with a champion.

Peace