Women are actually encouraged to carry a copy of the law in their diaper bag in case they run into opposition. After giving birth to my daughter, I received a wallet-sized card in the mail "from" Illinois first lady First Lady Patti Blagojevich which verified that it is indeed legal to breastfeed in a public place.
Do you know where I can find a list of states that give out those cards? I suppose I could determine if Georgia has a BF law, but I am not sure where to find the cards. That seems like a really good idea, and would encourage women to handle the situation right then and there and possibly do more good in educating others (say, the person you show the card to if there is a problem) than other means of "protesting".
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I still want you all to "take care"--I am just damn tired of typing it.
Again, a little discretion goes a long way. I am not saying run and hide in a corner, cover up what sme people may not want to see. And if you are in their normal line of sight, they should not have to divert their eyes.
Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, but just this last page got me riled up enough. I don't give a fuck about other people's feelings on this. I really, really don't. Should Rosa Parks have sat on the back of the bus not to hurt racist feelings? I don't think so. Attaching shame to breastfeeding in public is a subtle way in which the implication is made that a woman's place is in the home. Rolling one's eyes whenever someone attends to a child because it's "inappropriate" at a certain time and place does as well.
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Do you know where I can find a list of states that give out those cards? I suppose I could determine if Georgia has a BF law, but I am not sure where to find the cards. That seems like a really good idea, and would encourage women to handle the situation right then and there and possibly do more good in educating others (say, the person you show the card to if there is a problem) than other means of "protesting".
Thanks!
I am almost sure it does not depend on the state.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
Do you know where I can find a list of states that give out those cards? I suppose I could determine if Georgia has a BF law, but I am not sure where to find the cards. That seems like a really good idea, and would encourage women to handle the situation right then and there and possibly do more good in educating others (say, the person you show the card to if there is a problem) than other means of "protesting".
Thanks!
Hmmmm... I googled "breastfeeding Illinois law" to find the spelling of Patti Blagojevich's name, and found info about the Illinois law, so maybe try something like "breastfeeding law"?
And I agree. If you have proof that it's legal, that should be sufficient.
Although I can't say I 100% believe in what my government says, this gives a clear idea of the opinion on breastfeeding and what the laws are (and what states have them).
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I still want you all to "take care"--I am just damn tired of typing it.
Do you know where I can find a list of states that give out those cards? I suppose I could determine if Georgia has a BF law, but I am not sure where to find the cards. That seems like a really good idea, and would encourage women to handle the situation right then and there and possibly do more good in educating others (say, the person you show the card to if there is a problem) than other means of "protesting".
Thanks!
I just did a quick google search. Here's a summary:
Should Rosa Parks have sat on the back of the bus not to hurt racist feelings?
That is NOT the same thing... Maybe you might want to read a little more of this thread... And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
I don't think it's fair to assume people are OK with seeing people having sex in public...I would be quite repulsed actually...and anyway live sex shows are in clubs and bars and stuff...not at a grocery store or on the roller coaster...
And to be honest, feeding a baby of any age is something that I've always been bothered by...breastfeeding is just annoying...can people not plan ahead, get their baby on a schedule...repulsed is not the right word...
And I don't mind aNiMaL...we've discussed many things before....oh, and if a boob is just a method of feeding your baby, why did Janet Jackson get such heat of her exposed nipple...it wasn't just men sexualizing her boob, women were too...a boob is a boob is a boob...
well, a mom can try to feed the baby before she leaves the house, I always did that but as I had stated earlier the newborns usually fall asleep before they are full and so many time when they wake up they are hungry again. The thing about nursing is that you really aren't as rigid as bottlefeeding because usually the mom is with the baby most of the time it is hungry so it isn't a big deal.
But I will say that there should be respect on both sides. A woman can descreetly feed her baby off on the side somewhere, not in your face and also not in a toilet.Maybe more places should have nursing rooms like some places offer as a respect for both points.
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That is NOT the same thing... Maybe you might want to read a little more of this thread... And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
if you deny me a right i will protest to draw attention to it. im certainly glad martin luther king and friends didnt do anything too in your face when their rights were trodden upon. and brain of jlo i am disappointed that you think protest isnt necessary.
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Women are actually encouraged to carry a copy of the law in their diaper bag in case they run into opposition. After giving birth to my daughter, I received a wallet-sized card in the mail "from" Illinois first lady First Lady Patti Blagojevich which verified that it is indeed legal to breastfeed in a public place.
what kind of fucked up country makes this necessary?
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And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
Who is we? Britney? Spitzer? Paris? Where do you live again?
And does the law talk about a burk... cape women have to use while breastfeeding?
Didn't think so.
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and brain of jlo i am disappointed that you think protest isnt necessary.
Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.
I've read the past posts, and my 2¢ is that you should be able to feed your baby when they are hungry. Most people feel that the blatant whip out the breast without regard to others around you is what is most troubling.
What is the problem with using a blanket to cover up? Baby gets fed and no one has to see your breast.
Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.
I don't think it would have come to laws protecting women's right to breast feed in public (right, not concession contingent upon modesty) were it not for women making political statements. I think it is important to recognize that moms and women "doing their thing" stand on the shoulders and in the path of someone who wasn't allowed to do that "thing" and fought for that right.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.
and who cares if breastfeeding your child in public is seen as a political statement? by whom? men? up tight bitches? those who conveniently forget they were breastfed as babies?
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yep. best hide all the offensive feminine bits away cause men are pigs who cant control themselves. and others are just ridiculously anal.
Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.
Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. :rolleyes:
Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it.
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.
My feeling is this: I definitely think there was a time when protesting was necessary. However, the law is now on the side of the mother, thanks to those who have fought for the support.
I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.
Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.
Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. :rolleyes:
Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it.
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.
Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.
Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. : rolleyes:
Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it. : D
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.
i mean honestly what the hell are those women doing wasting that gorgeous breast full of life sustaining milk on some screaming baby while there are men who could be totally amusing themselves with it. :rolleyes:
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My feeling is this: I definitely think there was a time when protesting was necessary. However, the law is now on the side of the mother, thanks to those who have fought for the support.
I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.
Does that makes sense?
It does. A little
What I am saying is there is nothing wrong with reinforcing and reminding people of laws, and shaming those who are not with the program. If the protest caused just a handful of people to become aware that it is against the law and against their employer policies to show breastfeeding moms to the changing room, then that was worth it.
And by the way, I think it is condescending to tell women about the presence of changing rooms like the OP says he does. They know, they just like getting on your nerves, deal with it.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
My feeling is this: I definitely think there was a time when protesting was necessary. However, the law is now on the side of the mother, thanks to those who have fought for the support.
I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.
Does that makes sense?
of course it makes sense. but sometimes you just got to hit them over the head with it as well, you know.
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Do you know where I can find a list of states that give out those cards? I suppose I could determine if Georgia has a BF law, but I am not sure where to find the cards. That seems like a really good idea, and would encourage women to handle the situation right then and there and possibly do more good in educating others (say, the person you show the card to if there is a problem) than other means of "protesting".
Thanks!
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Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, but just this last page got me riled up enough. I don't give a fuck about other people's feelings on this. I really, really don't. Should Rosa Parks have sat on the back of the bus not to hurt racist feelings? I don't think so. Attaching shame to breastfeeding in public is a subtle way in which the implication is made that a woman's place is in the home. Rolling one's eyes whenever someone attends to a child because it's "inappropriate" at a certain time and place does as well.
I am almost sure it does not depend on the state.
Hmmmm... I googled "breastfeeding Illinois law" to find the spelling of Patti Blagojevich's name, and found info about the Illinois law, so maybe try something like "breastfeeding law"?
And I agree. If you have proof that it's legal, that should be sufficient.
It is a state law...I was actually looking as you posted!
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm
Although I can't say I 100% believe in what my government says, this gives a clear idea of the opinion on breastfeeding and what the laws are (and what states have them).
Take care,
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http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm
Looks like Georgia specifically allows breastfeeding
That is NOT the same thing... Maybe you might want to read a little more of this thread... And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
oh look its a burkha for western babies.
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well, a mom can try to feed the baby before she leaves the house, I always did that but as I had stated earlier the newborns usually fall asleep before they are full and so many time when they wake up they are hungry again. The thing about nursing is that you really aren't as rigid as bottlefeeding because usually the mom is with the baby most of the time it is hungry so it isn't a big deal.
But I will say that there should be respect on both sides. A woman can descreetly feed her baby off on the side somewhere, not in your face and also not in a toilet.Maybe more places should have nursing rooms like some places offer as a respect for both points.
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if you deny me a right i will protest to draw attention to it. im certainly glad martin luther king and friends didnt do anything too in your face when their rights were trodden upon. and brain of jlo i am disappointed that you think protest isnt necessary.
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This oughta cover it!
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Yep, them muslims might be on to something.
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what kind of fucked up country makes this necessary?
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yep. best hide all the offensive feminine bits away cause men are pigs who cant control themselves.
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Who is we? Britney? Spitzer? Paris? Where do you live again?
And does the law talk about a burk... cape women have to use while breastfeeding?
Didn't think so.
Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.
The kind of fucked up country in which the one-time Attorney General demands that drapes cover nude sculptures.
http://www.unitedstatesgovernment.net/coveringupjustice.htm
Taking that into account, is anyone surprised by this debate?
What is the problem with using a blanket to cover up? Baby gets fed and no one has to see your breast.
I don't think it would have come to laws protecting women's right to breast feed in public (right, not concession contingent upon modesty) were it not for women making political statements. I think it is important to recognize that moms and women "doing their thing" stand on the shoulders and in the path of someone who wasn't allowed to do that "thing" and fought for that right.
and who cares if breastfeeding your child in public is seen as a political statement? by whom? men? up tight bitches? those who conveniently forget they were breastfed as babies?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.
Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. :rolleyes:
Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it.
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.
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nothing about the united states surprises me anymore. but i am often disappointed and endlessly amused though.
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I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.
Does that makes sense?
lol
I know.
*sigh*
i mean honestly what the hell are those women doing wasting that gorgeous breast full of life sustaining milk on some screaming baby while there are men who could be totally amusing themselves with it.
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Well let me just say I've been thoroughly enjoying your posts in this thread.
Although I still love a good protest!
And I figure if the Hooters girls can protest then breast feeding Mums can too.
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It does. A little
What I am saying is there is nothing wrong with reinforcing and reminding people of laws, and shaming those who are not with the program. If the protest caused just a handful of people to become aware that it is against the law and against their employer policies to show breastfeeding moms to the changing room, then that was worth it.
And by the way, I think it is condescending to tell women about the presence of changing rooms like the OP says he does. They know, they just like getting on your nerves, deal with it.
lol, thanks. I'm glad someone is.
of course it makes sense. but sometimes you just got to hit them over the head with it as well, you know.
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