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  • Posts: 1,890
    Drowned Out wrote:
    How could he forget? there are so many hard workin white folk on this board :p

    ummm....what's your point?

    Things at rest wish to stay at rest, said Newton.

    That is the state in which many uneducated minorities wish to remain.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Things at rest wish to stay at rest, said Newton.

    That is the state in which many uneducated minorities wish to remain.

    this can't be said about the uneducated in the 'majority' race as well?
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    Truthmonger wrote:
    I guess it never dawned on you that they may have done things in their lives meriting more than a cleaning job.

    If that is the case, then why are they not using their skills in such a fashion? Obviously they either like working where they are, or they have no skills for a different job. It has nothing to do with color. It has to do with education and motivation.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
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    while I wait for CW to find a way to dig himself out of that one....


    anyone that doesn't think discrimmination plays a roll in the workforce should have been at the golf tournament I was at two weeks ago, where some middle-management types from another firm were laughing about "that day we fired all the niggers at once."
    I didn't get much detail before telling them they were fucked and walking away, but even if there was some kind of problem with these peoples' work habits, it's not hard to see why...When the people in power talked like that on the golf course, I'd hate to think what it would be like to be a minority working for them...I'd probably hate my job and have a real fucking attitude too.
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    Drowned Out wrote:
    this can't be said about the uneducated in the 'majority' race as well?

    Indeed!! So there's no need to complain about people of colour cleaning toilets or washing dishes because just as many in the majority race are doing it too!!!

    Excellent. Now this thread may die a peaceful death.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
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    Juberoo wrote:
    If that is the case, then why are they not using their skills in such a fashion? Obviously they either like working where they are, or they have no skills for a different job. It has nothing to do with color. It has to do with education and motivation.

    It also has to do with being given the opportunity to get a better job.
  • Posts: 10,819
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Indeed!! So there's no need to complain about people of colour cleaning toilets or washing dishes because just as many in the majority race are doing it too!!!

    Excellent. Now this thread may die a peaceful death.

    the people in the majority who do it are not taking advantage of the built-in advantage they have when seeking employment.
  • Posts: 559
    Drowned Out wrote:
    while I wait for CW to find a way to dig himself out of that one....

    I'l tell you what, I'm getting kinda sick by of some of the assertions/assumptions being thrown around about race on this thread.
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    Truthmonger wrote:
    I'l tell you what, I'm getting kinda sick by of some of the assertions/assumptions being thrown around about race on this thread.

    um, you started it.
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    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    the people in the majority who do it are not taking advantage of the built-in advantage they have when seeking employment.

    You want a built-in advantage??????? You want to see a really good example of a built-in advantage? How about when I apply to a college and I have good grades but they don't accept me because I'm white, but they accept a minority with worse grades than me because he's dark.

    That's fucking bullshit. You liberals have no evidence to support your crap. Minorities get more of a leg up than anyone and white people get shat on by the current system. If it were up to you people, I wouldn't have even been accepted to my college so we could have more minorities with worse grades and lower scores.

    I'm a white male and the rest of my life, I will be reminded of how my people have discriminated against blacks etc so I should be "happy" to give up my place because I have a "built in advantage." Fuck that.

    And let's talk about the genetic aspect of intelligence while we're at it. Yes, this is a touchy subject that people don't like to talk about, but there facts regarding minority IQs that don't get reported and we are led to believe that minorities have equal IQs to whites in America. Certainly, plenty of them do, but on average they do not.

    "Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S...."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

    How can you expect the average black person to do as well as the average white person if his IQ is on average 15 points lower? Granted, the IQ is largely a factor of upbringing in early childhood, but that does not really matter in this discussion.

    How can you expect the African-American population with an average IQ of 15 less points to do as well as whites?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Indeed!! So there's no need to complain about people of colour cleaning toilets or washing dishes because just as many in the majority race are doing it too!!!
    So why did you call out only the minorities for this in the last post I quoted? We're arguing semantics now...
    You can't acknowledge that their is discrimmination in the work place? Seems to be a fairly well recognized problem for the rest of the world...
    Just as many doing it? I'd be willing to bet that those numbers are WAY out per capita, esp. when factoring education into the mix.
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Granted, the IQ is largely a factor of upbringing in early childhood, but that does not really matter in this discussion.

    This sentence is the key to why your dissatisfaction with affirmative action turns into rage, and comes across as bigotry. You are dismissing the reason for the "built in advantage" you are trying to discredit.
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    Drowned Out wrote:
    This sentence is the key to why your dissatisfaction with affirmative action turns into rage, and comes across as bigotry. You are dismissing the reason for the "built in advantage" you are trying to discredit.

    You want to discuss the reasons minorities have lower IQs? It's partly to do with their upbringing, the rest being hereditary factors. Growing up in a family where your mother is 15, does crack, and you don't start school until you're 12 doesn't help - but, those are cultural aspects of the black experience in America that have not been influenced by whites.

    Whites never forced blacks to have high crime rates, do drugs at a young age, and have many many children out of wedlock. Blacks chose that for themselves.

    Stupid liberals want to blame everything on white conquerors who mercilessly retarded the progress of the lower class masses. That's Karl Marx horseshit and it's not true. Plenty of white families started out with nothing but they had strong family values and valued education. Kept their kids off drugs. They amounted to something.

    Different cultures in this country value different things and have different educational abilities - the sooner we realize that, the sooner we will scrap bullshit affirmative action.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You want a built-in advantage??????? You want to see a really good example of a built-in advantage? How about when I apply to a college and I have good grades but they don't accept me because I'm white, but they accept a minority with worse grades than me because he's dark.

    That's fucking bullshit. You liberals have no evidence to support your crap. Minorities get more of a leg up than anyone and white people get shat on by the current system. If it were up to you people, I wouldn't have even been accepted to my college so we could have more minorities with worse grades and lower scores.

    I'm a white male and the rest of my life, I will be reminded of how my people have discriminated against blacks etc so I should be "happy" to give up my place because I have a "built in advantage." Fuck that.

    And let's talk about the genetic aspect of intelligence while we're at it. Yes, this is a touchy subject that people don't like to talk about, but there facts regarding minority IQs that don't get reported and we are led to believe that minorities have equal IQs to whites in America. Certainly, plenty of them do, but on average they do not.

    "Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S...."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

    How can you expect the average black person to do as well as the average white person if his IQ is on average 15 points lower? Granted, the IQ is largely a factor of upbringing in early childhood, but that does not really matter in this discussion.

    How can you expect the African-American population with an average IQ of 15 less points to do as well as whites?

    Sorry you have so much anger, my friend.

    What about the built-in advantage white people have had for centuries in the United States?

    Black people were denied rights for decades, and as a result of that, whites were able to prosper, since black people were denied a fair shot at jobs, restaurant tables, restrooms, college admisson, etc.

    Do you ever stop and think that your position in life is the result of your grandfather being granted an advantage at the expense of a black person 60 years ago?

    You need to look at the past before you whine about how things are now.
  • Posts: 10,819
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You want to discuss the reasons minorities have lower IQs? It's partly to do with their upbringing, the rest being hereditary factors. Growing up in a family where your mother is 15, does crack, and you don't start school until you're 12 doesn't help - but, those are cultural aspects of the black experience in America that have not been influenced by whites.

    Whites never forced blacks to have high crime rates, do drugs at a young age, and have many many children out of wedlock. Blacks chose that for themselves.

    Stupid liberals want to blame everything on white conquerors who mercilessly retarded the progress of the lower class masses. That's Karl Marx horseshit and it's not true. Plenty of white families started out with nothing but they had strong family values and valued education. Kept their kids off drugs. They amounted to something.

    Different cultures in this country value different things and have different educational abilities - the sooner we realize that, the sooner we will scrap bullshit affirmative action.

    The white families that started with nothing had opportunities that were not extended to non-whites.

    Whites forced blacks to have high crime rates when the whites denied them equal rights. If black people weren't discrimnated against, perhaps there would be no need to commit crimes.

    If you take away someone's hope, you need to accept the consequences.
  • Posts: 472
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    It also has to do with being given the opportunity to get a better job.
    equal opportunity employment....it's this really snazzy concept that is available to EVERYONE!!!
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Posts: 472
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You want a built-in advantage??????? You want to see a really good example of a built-in advantage? How about when I apply to a college and I have good grades but they don't accept me because I'm white, but they accept a minority with worse grades than me because he's dark.

    That's fucking bullshit. You liberals have no evidence to support your crap. Minorities get more of a leg up than anyone and white people get shat on by the current system. If it were up to you people, I wouldn't have even been accepted to my college so we could have more minorities with worse grades and lower scores.

    I'm a white male and the rest of my life, I will be reminded of how my people have discriminated against blacks etc so I should be "happy" to give up my place because I have a "built in advantage." Fuck that.

    And let's talk about the genetic aspect of intelligence while we're at it. Yes, this is a touchy subject that people don't like to talk about, but there facts regarding minority IQs that don't get reported and we are led to believe that minorities have equal IQs to whites in America. Certainly, plenty of them do, but on average they do not.

    "Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S...."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

    How can you expect the average black person to do as well as the average white person if his IQ is on average 15 points lower? Granted, the IQ is largely a factor of upbringing in early childhood, but that does not really matter in this discussion.

    How can you expect the African-American population with an average IQ of 15 less points to do as well as whites?

    Yep!! Although, IQ testing is skewed...it is never really a good judge because the same person can take the same test several times and get several different scores. It is intended to be used merely as a guideline, not as hard fact.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Posts: 10,819
    Juberoo wrote:
    equal opportunity employment....it's this really snazzy concept that is available to EVERYONE!!!

    but before the 1970s, this snazzy concept was not available to everyone.

    The biggest sign of ignorance is to ignore the past when speaking about the present.
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    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Sorry you have so much anger, my friend.

    What about the built-in advantage white people have had for centuries in the United States?

    Black people were denied rights for decades, and as a result of that, whites were able to prosper, since black people were denied a fair shot at jobs, restaurant tables, restrooms, college admisson, etc.

    Do you ever stop and think that your position in life is the result of your grandfather being granted an advantage at the expense of a black person 60 years ago?

    You need to look at the past before you whine about how things are now.

    My grandfather grew up in a broken Irish home in The Bronx. His father had a gambling problem. His mother kicked his father out and raised the kids herself. They were poor as dirt, living on what a woman in the 20s, 30s, and 40s could make for a living, which was nothing. My grandfather had a public school education back in the 20s-30s. Still, he did extremely well in school. He certainly couldn't expect to afford college, though. Then WWII happened and he went and fought. Then when he came back, instead of taking the lump cash sum, he opted for help with affording college. He got a degree and then went to law school and worked for the FBI the rest of his life.

    His situation was very similar to many minority families. Why should I owe something to minorities when my family had a tough time too? Because we're white and my grandfather could be accepted into a college while a black man couldn't? I never kept a black man out of college and I shouldn't be penalized for it now.

    If you want to hear about my other grandfather, it's a worse story. Plenty of white people just like me never did anything to deserve to be discriminated against today. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You want to discuss the reasons minorities have lower IQs? It's partly to do with their upbringing, the rest being hereditary factors. Growing up in a family where your mother is 15, does crack, and you don't start school until you're 12 doesn't help - but, those are cultural aspects of the black experience in America that have not been influenced by whites.

    Whites never forced blacks to have high crime rates, do drugs at a young age, and have many many children out of wedlock. Blacks chose that for themselves.

    Stupid liberals want to blame everything on white conquerors who mercilessly retarded the progress of the lower class masses. That's Karl Marx horseshit and it's not true. Plenty of white families started out with nothing but they had strong family values and valued education. Kept their kids off drugs. They amounted to something.

    Different cultures in this country value different things and have different educational abilities - the sooner we realize that, the sooner we will scrap bullshit affirmative action.

    Hereditary? Oh yeah, whites are just smarter :rolleyes: First off, IQ means dick. Absolutely dick. More than upbringing and ... ahem... hereditary factors, the 15 point average differntial (if that is indeed true) is more influenced by the fact that IQ tests are culturaly biased in the first place! Socio economics is another major factor.
    As far as the rest of your puke about negative aspects of Black culture not being influenced by whites, i have to say that, indirectly, it ALL has been influenced by whites. Face it. Slavery and Jim Crow put Blacks in a hole that is nearly impossible to climb out of. Its even harder when as one tries to climb out, folks like you keep kicking dirt in their face.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."

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