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  • All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Bu2 wrote:
    Of all the people that posted on this particular thread.....how many of you are black?

    Raise your hands.

    What difference does it make?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Here's a smart black guy:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006608

    "The counterproductive and self-destructive culture of black rednecks in today's ghettos is regarded by many as the only "authentic" black culture--and, for that reason, something not to be tampered with. Their talk, their attitudes, and their behavior are regarded as sacrosanct.

    The people who take this view may think of themselves as friends of blacks. But they are the kinds of friends who can do more harm than enemies."
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    What difference does it make?

    What difference does it make?!
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693

    Congratulations, Corp Ho. You found one black man that makes sense to you and seems smart.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Really, then maybe you can explain why virtually every black person I went through law school with couldn't find a job at a firm ?

    i will as soon as you explain why every single one of my black classmates worked for a firm this summer and 90% of my white classmates were told their applications would not be considered until 2L year.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Here's a smart black guy:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006608

    "The counterproductive and self-destructive culture of black rednecks in today's ghettos is regarded by many as the only "authentic" black culture--and, for that reason, something not to be tampered with. Their talk, their attitudes, and their behavior are regarded as sacrosanct.

    The people who take this view may think of themselves as friends of blacks. But they are the kinds of friends who can do more harm than enemies."

    spot on. i've always said that i hate white trash rednecks more than i could ever hate any minority.
  • Bu2 wrote:
    Congratulations, Corp Ho. You found one black man that makes sense to you and seems smart.

    I have no doubt there are plenty of smart black people out there. What I don't like is black people who aren't smarter than some white people taking their slots in college enrollments.

    Thomas Sowell is without a doubt smarter than me and he knows the problem with blacks in this country b/c he is one.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • i will as soon as you explain why every single one of my black classmates worked for a firm this summer and 90% of my white classmates were told their applications would not be considered until 2L year.

    Dude, I'm talking about people who have GRADUATED from law school, and from one of the finest in the country. I dunno, maybe you're on a different planet than I am. All I know is that blacks were treated like the plague where I went.
  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    I'l tell you what, I'm getting kinda sick by of some of the assertions/assumptions being thrown around about race on this thread.

    Me too! It should be women frying up meat for people and scrubbin those toilets til they're spotless!
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  • Hope&AngerHope&Anger Posts: 260
    Nothing else you said was really a legitimate argument. It was all bullshit. This is your argument: "you're a racist." That's all you needed to say because nothing else you say will get the attention you want. Everything else was a support for this underlying theme of "you're a racist; therefore, you are wrong."

    The problem is: if I talk about race and IQ, I am immediately a racist. Nevermind the fact that Phillippe Rushton and his group have studied this and few people have even bothered to oppose his research because they are afraid what they may discover. This is a cultural taboo and if you come out on the wrong side, you're labelled a follower of Hitler.

    This is what Hitler would've wanted: us to shut down all discussion about race in favor of cultural platitudes and overgeneralizations.
    Maybe if I talk really slowly, you'll understand.

    You don't like affirmative action because it gives black people an advantage over white people like you in getting into college, etc. I reply -- but lots of people get advantages over white people like you. Such as people with talent -- athletes and musicians. And rich people. And you reply . . . what? I'm full of shit.

    Different skin color is genetic -- everything else about race is just something that we make up. Your lily white skin ain't nothing but a risk factor for skin cancer, buddy.

    I'll see your Wikipedia and raise you a peer-reviewed journal. Here's an article, in a journal published by the American Psychological Association, of which J. Phillippe Rushton is a proud member.

    http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf

    And dude, really, stop citing Wikipedia for anything other than trivia. It's just embarassing.

    No one wants to stop a discussion of race. I've had a lot of really good talks with people who think that race-based affirmative action has played itself out and should be replaced by an affirmative action that accounts more for socioeconomic factors -- a thought-provoking idea. But you? You actually seem to think that blacks are inferior to whites, and wow!! That's just shocking!

    (Oh, and for the record, I believe you were the first to play the Hitler card. But you know, Hitler loved eugenics and supported a lot of "scientists" who claimed that there was a scientific basis for claims of racial difference and inferiority. So why don't we put Hitler away?)

    Own your racism. Embrace it.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    The person who started this thread lives in Toronto, in case anyone forgot that point.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Canadians

    I bring this wikipedia link into the argument as a reminder that the black population in Canada is slightly different than the one here in the States.

    And I ask one more time: Is anyone on the Train black? And if so, have you or would you like to join this discussion?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Dude, I'm talking about people who have GRADUATED from law school, and from one of the finest in the country. I dunno, maybe you're on a different planet than I am. All I know is that blacks were treated like the plague where I went.

    when was this? 1970? cos every minority i know already has a job lined up post-grad with a huge firm. and i, too, go to a T-14 school.
  • JuberooJuberoo Posts: 472
    cornnifer wrote:
    History is never "just history". There are effects and cosequences of all situations. The "history" of the Black experience in America has huge ramifications on where they are at today. To say let "bygones be bygones" is absolutely ridiculous. What that translates is "let me not take responsibility while you continue to struggle. Fuhget about it".
    I agree with you about native Americans, but how can you at once make such comments about the indiginous population, and tell Blacks to "fuckin' get over it already"?
    Because the only oppression the blacks face today is by their own doing.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

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  • JuberooJuberoo Posts: 472
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I am Jewish, and, and we are constanly blamed for killing Jesus over 2000 years ago!
    But you aren't punished for it today. There aren't Christians running around expecting Jews to pay them or give them handouts or make "retribution" for what your ancestors did. They aren't being self destructive just because your jewish ancestors killed their King.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Juberoo wrote:
    Because the only oppression the blacks face today is by their own doing.

    Bullshit.
    Its not even a matter of oppression, even though it still happens. Its a matter of social circumstance that can be directly attributed to their experience here in the United States. DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED.
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  • nickcat0nickcat0 Posts: 75
    apparently, if you live in Toronto. Everywhere i go in my daily travels I'm struck by this one conspicuous phenomenon. In one of the most multicultural cities on the planet, where people are supposed to blind to colour, it is staggering to see the divisions in the workplace. Go to a franchaised coffee shop, go to a restaurant, go to the backrooms of hotels, both large and small, and witness discrimination at work. I used to go to this one coffee shop where all the patrons were white, and where every single employee behind the counter was someone of colour.

    I'm sorry to bore people, but something needs to be said. Its appalling. I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

    I've alaso been to lots of coffee shops , restaurants , shops etc . in Toronto where the employees are white . I've been to many places where there is a mixture of races . My niece works in a restaurant where one of her managers is coloured ...... so what ?

    You're imagining problems where none exist .
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Assuming these figures are correct, would it be unreasonable to assume that the number of African Americans joining the military has decreased by 38% since 2001, because they are now able to get jobs that they once would not have been considered for, or because their IQ is not perhaps as low as people perceive? Or is it because they have finally realized they don't have to 'serve anyone' anymore? They are equal. The same as you and i.

    The number of blacks joining the military has plunged by more than one-third since the Afghanistan and Iraq wars began. Other job prospects are soaring and relatives of potential recruits increasingly are discouraging them from joining the armed services.
    According to Pentagon data, there were nearly 51,500 new black recruits for active duty and reserves in 2001. That number fell to less than 32,000 in 2006, a 38 percent decline.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070624/military-recruits-blacks/

    Peace..
  • when was this? 1970? cos every minority i know already has a job lined up post-grad with a huge firm. and i, too, go to a T-14 school.

    It was 2001, hardly a different era. Mind you, Halifax, Nova Scotia isn't Illinois. As for your numbers re: employment let me suggest a thing or two. I can't speak as to why black 1st yr. students are getting hired foir summer jobs, but generally speaking, where I was, firms never wanted 1st yr. students, period. They had no use for 'em.

    The last time I actually inquired about these people, oh, say 2004 or so, most still didn't have jobs at the more prestigious firms. There was instead a certain marginalization that took place, wherein they found jobs in other law-related areas like legal-aid services, certain gov't dept's that required someone with a legal background, that sort of thing. Some just gave up. Its sad. There were some bright people who never really got a chance.
  • nickcat0 wrote:
    My niece works in a restaurant where one of her managers is coloured ...... so what ?

    I'm not even gonna say anything here.........
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    When will we stop using racist terms like black and white to define people? I can't believe that, in this day and age we can't judge the individual only, but still persist in placing them in groups - especially since those groups really mean nothing. We're all mixed at this point. Let's get over it and get on with our lives.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • Hope&Anger wrote:
    Maybe if I talk really slowly, you'll understand.

    You don't like affirmative action because it gives black people an advantage over white people like you in getting into college, etc. I reply -- but lots of people get advantages over white people like you. Such as people with talent -- athletes and musicians. And rich people. And you reply . . . what? I'm full of shit.

    Different skin color is genetic -- everything else about race is just something that we make up. Your lily white skin ain't nothing but a risk factor for skin cancer, buddy.

    I'll see your Wikipedia and raise you a peer-reviewed journal. Here's an article, in a journal published by the American Psychological Association, of which J. Phillippe Rushton is a proud member.

    http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf

    And dude, really, stop citing Wikipedia for anything other than trivia. It's just embarassing.

    No one wants to stop a discussion of race. I've had a lot of really good talks with people who think that race-based affirmative action has played itself out and should be replaced by an affirmative action that accounts more for socioeconomic factors -- a thought-provoking idea. But you? You actually seem to think that blacks are inferior to whites, and wow!! That's just shocking!

    (Oh, and for the record, I believe you were the first to play the Hitler card. But you know, Hitler loved eugenics and supported a lot of "scientists" who claimed that there was a scientific basis for claims of racial difference and inferiority. So why don't we put Hitler away?)

    Own your racism. Embrace it.

    Hope, you raised an interesting point in your first post, and no one has responded to it since. I think its interesting that there's no outcry when poeple like G.Bush get into Yale. And its not just 43, it happens all the time. People like Corp. Whore may dislike it, but you don't see the outcry, the venom, that you do when someone of colour takes one of those coveted spots.

    I just woke up, and I've had some time to think about this thread, and this topic. I'm saddened by the reflexive answers and the people who have tried to come up with every possible excuse under the sun for the initial scenario I laid down. Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, there is still racism in society ? Just sayin'...
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    know1 wrote:
    When will we stop using racist terms like black and white to define people? I can't believe that, in this day and age we can't judge the individual only, but still persist in placing them in groups - especially since those groups really mean nothing. We're all mixed at this point. Let's get over it and get on with our lives.

    Again, i say, tell that to the Black guy in New York City trying to catch a cab.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Racism is alive and well in this age. It's not always the main factor in decisions and sometimes it's not a factor at all. The thing that it seems frustrates people the most is when race is always blamed for the reason that someone did or didn't do or get something. Playing the race card every time is lazy and ignorant, just as is not acknowledging that there are race problems. In my town we've had multiple incidents of random attacks on white people by a group of 4 or 5 black kids that are in their teens. You can bet that if I'm walking and see a group of black kids that I'm going to be more cautious esp if it's at night, not b/c it's racist but b/c the fact of the matter is kids of that demographic are jumping people. There are also incidents of the black community trying to put a stop to this. It would be great if we could get beyond race and beyond skin color and we could get along as people and for the most part I think we do. But it seems that whenever something happens with different races involved you get the media pundits and news sources bringing the race factor out and debating is race an issue.

    I liked Roberts statement in the supreme court ruling "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race" in re: to affirmative action.
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  • You want to talk about racism?

    Look at what America and Israel are doing to Muslims for control of holy land and oil.

    That some serious illegal murdering on a massive scale.

    Occupation is illegal. The Iraq war is illegal. Occupying Palestine which every American funds is Illegal. The media is lying about it.

    We all sit back and don't give a flying fuck...

    What's worse is that some uneducated nutjobs actually try to justify it.
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  • Hope&Anger wrote:
    Maybe if I talk really slowly, you'll understand.

    You don't like affirmative action because it gives black people an advantage over white people like you in getting into college, etc. I reply -- but lots of people get advantages over white people like you. Such as people with talent -- athletes and musicians. And rich people. And you reply . . . what? I'm full of shit.

    Different skin color is genetic -- everything else about race is just something that we make up. Your lily white skin ain't nothing but a risk factor for skin cancer, buddy.

    I'll see your Wikipedia and raise you a peer-reviewed journal. Here's an article, in a journal published by the American Psychological Association, of which J. Phillippe Rushton is a proud member.

    http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf

    And dude, really, stop citing Wikipedia for anything other than trivia. It's just embarassing.

    No one wants to stop a discussion of race. I've had a lot of really good talks with people who think that race-based affirmative action has played itself out and should be replaced by an affirmative action that accounts more for socioeconomic factors -- a thought-provoking idea. But you? You actually seem to think that blacks are inferior to whites, and wow!! That's just shocking!

    (Oh, and for the record, I believe you were the first to play the Hitler card. But you know, Hitler loved eugenics and supported a lot of "scientists" who claimed that there was a scientific basis for claims of racial difference and inferiority. So why don't we put Hitler away?)

    Own your racism. Embrace it.

    Own your ignorance.

    I know you couldn't possibly understand that article enough to analyze it, but what it says is not all that new or that profound. Even a cursory glance helps one to determine that. Essentially he is claiming that race is a social construct; therefore, differences between "races" do not exist if race does not exist - that's really all he said and he didn't offer any better evidence for that claim that Rushton has. This has been addressed well by J. Phillipe Rushton. Race is not a social construct because you find similarities in societies based on their race, frequently. You find that Northern societies have consistently conquered Southern societies. You find that, based on longitude IQs vary but, based on latitude, they do not vary as much. Why?

    Notice, that article is certainly not afraid to attribute medical issues to certain "races." They do that because it is not taboo to do so. But, is it so impossible to believe that certain races might have cognitive similarities too? They brush over the differences by pointing to discrimination as the cause of black IQs. Nevermind the fact that blacks have had 30 years of government assistance and public education (same as whites) to return to the average IQ.

    You should, at the very least, read opposing viewpoints that are sponsored by organizations that don't have a pre-conceived bias (racial differences in IQ=BADD!!!!!). To ignore the place that race has held in the intelligence of various peoples is ignorant and injures races that could be helped by this information. History tells us that certain groups have indeed been more intelligent because of their racial background.

    I refer you to a book about the historical implications of race and intelligence on human events:

    http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Human-History-Michael-Hart/dp/1593680260

    "The central hypothesis of this book is that genetic differences between human groups (in particular, differences in average native intelligence) have been an important factor in human history."

    The writer is a physicist astronomer lawyer and mathematician, but nevermind that. His facts and writing are what matter and it's incredibly succinct. Of course, no one's told you about it because he's supposedly a "racist."

    I think it is entirely possible for blacks to have the same average IQ as whites someday. But, people like you are not helping them. Get them out of their ignorant culture and infuse that culture with strong families, a focus on education, and opposition to destructive behavior. Don't tell them "black power" is good - it's not and Philosopher Sowell agrees.

    While genetics can provably bring about IQ differences, those differences can be changed and made almost non-existent if you just acknowledge them and cchange certain cultural behavior..
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    apparently, if you live in Toronto. Everywhere i go in my daily travels I'm struck by this one conspicuous phenomenon. In one of the most multicultural cities on the planet, where people are supposed to blind to colour, it is staggering to see the divisions in the workplace. Go to a franchaised coffee shop, go to a restaurant, go to the backrooms of hotels, both large and small, and witness discrimination at work. I used to go to this one coffee shop where all the patrons were white, and where every single employee behind the counter was someone of colour.

    I'm sorry to bore people, but something needs to be said. Its appalling. I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

    Roughly 50 people in our department. Two white guys. No white women. Toronto, Canada. Whatever white is?
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i live in the t. dot and i can tell you that you are right to a certain degree ... the thing is this tho - toronto is very very multicultural and many people immigrate here from countries where their skill set isn't recognized or have simply not been educated ... they come to a place where $12 and hour is great pay so they aren't too concerened with that ...

    also - if you live in downtown toronto like i do ... it's probably over 65% ethnic (or non-white) ... so, combine that with immigration, lack of recognized training and its not unexpected ...

    the issue is if the kids of these people who grow up in our school system end up with lowering paying jobs then white kids ...

    i don't think that is the case here
  • Also, Jews tend to have higher IQs. It's innate in their genetic code, say some mainstream scientists in the Scientific American:

    A Jewish Gene for Intelligence?

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0009E769-5614-132F-949983414B7F0000&modsrc=related_links

    Here is an article from the New York Times that supports a Jewish genetic predisposition to intelligence:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/03gene.html?ex=1275451200&en=efcc603583e17b54&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

    See, for Jews it's no problem when I claim they're more intelligent. But if I say white people are more intelligent than others, OH WELL THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.

    The Cambridge Online Journal also publish a study in its Journal of Biosocial Science supporting the view that Ashkenazi Jewish intelligence was genetically predisposed to be higher. This is not unusual information and it is generally accepted.

    As far as I'm concerned, saying that Jewish IQ is racially based gives way to saying that IQs of other groups could possibly be racially based as well.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    It was 2001, hardly a different era. Mind you, Halifax, Nova Scotia isn't Illinois. As for your numbers re: employment let me suggest a thing or two. I can't speak as to why black 1st yr. students are getting hired foir summer jobs, but generally speaking, where I was, firms never wanted 1st yr. students, period. They had no use for 'em.

    The last time I actually inquired about these people, oh, say 2004 or so, most still didn't have jobs at the more prestigious firms. There was instead a certain marginalization that took place, wherein they found jobs in other law-related areas like legal-aid services, certain gov't dept's that required someone with a legal background, that sort of thing. Some just gave up. Its sad. There were some bright people who never really got a chance.

    must be a national thing then. canadians are weird ;) the firms almost never hire 1L's and if they do they will only offer spots to students based on "minority fellowships" as they say. every firm brags about it's diversity and recruits minority candidates heavily. these guys aren't having trouble getting jobs.
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