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  • And I've still argued that IQ can be increased with help, just as Sowell does.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100102.asp
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,616
    And I've still argued that IQ can be increased with help, just as Sowell does.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100102.asp

    Citing an article written by a black man in a Jewish newspaper......great strategy!
    :)
  • cornnifer wrote:
    Well actually, even if the story of the Jewish leadership of the day being responsible for the death of Jesus is an historical accuracy (i believe it is), speaking as a Christian, i have to say "so what"! It was supposed to happen. And, frankly, again speaking as someone of Christian faith, it was for my benefit!
    Couple that with the fact that Christ himself WAS a Jew, and i'm left with the thought that any "Christian" who harbors any resentment towards Jews for killing Jesus, who was Jewish, is pretty ridiculous.

    Christ spoke against the scribes and pharisees, not the Jews as a whole. Furthermore, no Christian is right in resenting the Jews as we all crucified Christ through our sin, past present and future.

    This is an absurd discussion and hasn't been an issue in 500 years.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Christ spoke against the scribes and pharisees, not the Jews as a whole. Furthermore, no Christian is right in resenting the Jews as we all crucified Christ through our sin, past present and future.

    This is an absurd discussion and hasn't been an issue in 500 years.
    which is why i think cornnifer and i agree...

    right?
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  • JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Citing an article written by a black man in a Jewish newspaper......great strategy!
    :)

    I'm seeking the truth. A lot of people have a preconceived notion that race has nothing to do with intelligence because if that is not the case, they feel as if Hitler won and people would find reasons to discriminate unjustly. But there is proof that race does have something to do with it, which I have cited in other posts.

    And I do not support discrimination or violence. This idea that I should be pigeon-holed because I'm a white male who broaches a taboo topic is bullshit. There are legitimate scientists that have studied this topic and concluded: race is a factor in intelligence. This is where we start a discussion, not call one another names.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Whore, for someone who is not a racist you sure spend a lot of time trying to prove blacks and hispanics are stupid and lazy. Almost every thread you make is about race.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    As a Jew, what do you make of genetic IQ differences given that studies have concluded that certain ethnic Jewish groups have higher IQs because of a genetic predisposition. These studies do not come from crackpots, but rather, they come from the Scientific American and The Cambridge Journal of Biosocial Science.

    If it is possible for Jews to have inherited intelligence, how is it not possible for other races to have it?

    What dou YOU make of the idea that i'm a white guy, and you are, i'll go out on a limb and say, a white guy, yet my IQ is probably 15 to 20 points higher than YOURS. Hmmm.
    i'm not in the least bit bragging, mind you. i'm in no way being overly prideful. As i've already stated a couple of pages ago, IQ means absolutely cock and balls.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
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  • There are legitimate scientists that have studied this topic and concluded: race is a factor in intelligence.

    I think that it maybe a correlation, but is definitely not part of the causation of intelligence levels.

    If you take two black infant twins and give one to a drug-addict single mother and one to a middle/upperclass family who values hard work and education (doesn't matter the race of either situation), I could almost guarantee you that 20 years later the kid in the better home would be considered more intelligent.
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,616
    I'm seeking the truth. A lot of people have a preconceived notion that race has nothing to do with intelligence because if that is not the case, they feel as if Hitler won and people would find reasons to discriminate unjustly. But there is proof that race does have something to do with it, which I have cited in other posts.

    And I do not support discrimination or violence. This idea that I should be pigeon-holed because I'm a white male who broaches a taboo topic is bullshit. There are legitimate scientists that have studied this topic and concluded: race is a factor in intelligence. This is where we start a discussion, not call one another names.

    I give you kudos for approaching your topics, but do you agree that with the easy access we are afforded via the internet, it is easy to find back-up for almost any position you may wish to take?

    The white male has long been viewed as "the man", so of course, others will always try to keep you in-check, and I must say, I think those with the most advantages should be kept in-check.

    I may not agree with your views, but I respect your right to present them, just as I respect others' right to disagree with you, which seems to be the norm.

    To what do you attribute your views?.....schooling, upbringing, outside influences besides your family, specific events?....just curious.
  • No one here has been able to contradict the statements I've made using arguments. You simply call me a racist with absolutely no information supporting your platitude bullshit.


    Dude you said one race was smarter than the other according to some study..

    What is that then? not racism?

    You're surprised at your own stupidity and bullshit when people call you on it?

    get a grip...how old are you?
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  • Hope&AngerHope&Anger Posts: 260
    This idea that I should be pigeon-holed because I'm a white male who broaches a taboo topic is bullshit. There are legitimate scientists that have studied this topic and concluded: race is a factor in intelligence. This is where we start a discussion, not call one another names.

    Okay, here's a topic for discussion -- what is race? It's clear that you think that blacks are a race, and Latinos are a race, and Jewish people are a race. What about the Irish? Are they a separate race?
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  • cornnifer wrote:
    What dou YOU make of the idea that i'm a white guy, and you are, i'll go out on a limb and say, a white guy, yet my IQ is probably 15 to 20 points higher than YOURS. Hmmm.
    i'm not in the least bit bragging, mind you. i'm in no way being overly prideful. As i've already stated a couple of pages ago, IQ means absolutely cock and balls.

    Your IQ could be 100 points higher than mine for all I care.

    It makes no difference when you're discussing averages.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,616
    Hope&Anger wrote:
    Okay, here's a topic for discussion -- what is race? It's clear that you think that blacks are a race, and Latinos are a race, and Jewish people are a race. What about the Irish? Are they a separate race?

    Irish is an ethnicity.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I like stats, let's check some out.

    Over the past 20 years, the visible
    minority population in Canada has
    nearly quadrupled, bringing increased
    diversity, especially in Canada’s largest
    cities. In 1981, foreign-born visible
    minority men and women of prime
    working age had higher employment
    rates and lower unemployment rates
    than Canadian-born non-visible minority
    men and women. The situation
    changed in the 1980s and 1990s as
    employment rates dropped and unemployment
    rates increased for both
    visible and non-visible minority men.
    Foreign-born visible minority men,
    especially recent immigrants, saw their
    labour market outcomes deteriorate
    faster than Canadian-born non-visible
    minority men. This gap in labour
    market outcomes for men of prime
    working age was largest in 1996, and
    subsided somewhat by 2001. For
    women, employment rates increased
    for all except foreign-born visible
    minorities although foreign-born visible
    minority women were more highly
    educated than most other women.
    The gap in labour market outcomes
    for foreign-born visible minorities may
    be related to incidents of discrimination
    or unfair treatment. According to the
    Ethnic Diversity Survey, about 20% of
    visible minorities aged 15 and over
    said they had sometimes or often
    experienced discrimination or unfair
    treatment in the previous five years
    because of their ethnicity, culture,
    race, skin colour, language, accent or
    religion. These incidents most often
    occur at work or when applying for a
    job or promotion.12 More research
    needs to be done to pinpoint the
    causes of the gaps in labour market
    outcomes between visible minorities
    and non-visible minorities.



    Employment outcomes of
    foreign-born visible minority
    men deteriorated during the
    1980s and early to mid-1990s

    While in 1981 foreign-born visible
    minority men aged 25 to 54 had better
    employment and unemployment
    rates than Canadian-born non-visible
    minorities, the 1980s and early to mid-
    1990s saw their employment situation
    deteriorate more quickly than that of
    other men of prime-working age.5
    By 1996, a wide gap had developed
    between foreign-born visible minority
    men of prime-working age and Canadian-
    born non-visible minority men.6
    In 2001, this gap had narrowed compared
    with 1996, but was still larger
    than it had been in 1981.


    http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-008-XIE/2004001/articles/6874.pdf

    According to Juristat (Canada)

    Out of 528 cases

    25% of hate crimes were against Jews
    17% against Blacks
    11% against Muslims
    10% against South Asians
    9% against gay and lesbian
    etc.. etc..

    Another interesting tidbit

    Data collection in the pilot survey included the two year period beginning in
    January 2001 and ending in December 2002. Survey data indicate that there
    was a significant, but short-lived impact on the number of hate crimes reported
    to police following the September 11th terrorist attacks in the United States.
    According to the pilot survey 15% of the hate crimes following the attacks
    (September 11th, 2001 to December 31st, 2002) were associated by police
    with events of September 11, 2001 and almost three quarters of these incidents
    occurred within two months following the attack. Looking more closely at the
    two month period following the attacks, there were three and a half times
    more hate crimes recorded during these two months than there were during
    the same two months the following year (232 versus 67).


    58% of religious hate crimes are against Jews
    26% against muslims

    http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/85-002-XIE/0040485-002-XIE.pdf

    I couldn't find anything specifically about Toronto. But I have spoken to many blacks about racism in Canada and most - probably reflecting the 80 - 90% - don't feel there is much discrimination in Canada. I don't have a lot of time to read more on this, but statscan is the place you'll want to look.
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  • JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Roses are reddish
    Violets are blueish
    If it wasn't for jesus
    we'd mostly be Jewish!


    hahahaaa...

    that was funny...not wanting to get into this debate which oddly enough went from a discussion on why gardeners/food staff are Hispanic to the bible (WOAH LEAP!!) but just thought that deserved a "niiiice"
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    I'm seeking the truth. A lot of people have a preconceived notion that race has nothing to do with intelligence.

    It isn't a precoceived notion. Race has absolutely NOTHING do do with intelligence and intellectual capacity and capbility. Socio-economic status, social circumstance, historical legacy, etc. do play a role however. Due to racism, different races find themselves at different levels of all these totem poles. Throw in the fact that IQ tests are culturaly biased anyway, and, abracafuckingdabra, you have your fucking 15v point average differential. Race and genetics have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

    THE TESTS ARE BIASED TO BEGIN WITH! i'm sure a really smart Black guy could write an IQ test that would land YOU on the short bus. Even with your intellectually superior white genes.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,616
    hahahaaa...

    that was funny...not wanting to get into this debate which oddly enough went from a discussion on why gardeners/food staff are Hispanic to the bible (WOAH LEAP!!) but just thought that deserved a "niiiice"

    thanks!
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    cornnifer wrote:
    It isn't a precoceived notion. Race has absolutely NOTHING do do with intelligence and intellectual capacity and capbility. Socio-economic status, social circumstance, historical legacy, etc. do play a role however. Due to racism, different races find themselves at different levels of all these totem poles. Throw in the fact that IQ tests are culturaly biased anyway, and, abracafuckingdabra, you have your fucking 15v point average differential. Race and genetics have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

    THE TESTS ARE BIASED TO BEGIN WITH! i'm sure a really smart Black guy could write an IQ test that would land YOU on the short bus. Even with your intellectually superior white genes.

    Actually, many tests would not be culturally biased for Canadian-born ethnic minorities and there are plenty of tests that are as non-bias as can be. Probably the Stanford-Binet being close. The differences in IQ appear to have more to do with social class than genetics, so I agree with you there.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Actually, many tests would not be culturally biased for Canadian-born ethnic minorities and there are plenty of tests that are as non-bias as can be. Probably the Stanford-Binet being close. The differences in IQ appear to have more to do with social class than genetics, so I agree with you there.

    Isn't the Stanford Binet more of a personality test?
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    cornnifer wrote:
    Isn't the Stanford Binet more of a personality test?
    Maybe i'm thinking of myers-briggs. Oh well.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    The differences in IQ appear to have more to do with social class than genetics, so I agree with you there.

    But would you oppose studies that question whether race is a cause of IQ levels? Or is that taboo and simply not allowed?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    cornnifer wrote:
    Isn't the Stanford Binet more of a personality test?

    No, it's an IQ test.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford-Binet

    Some of the criticisms are there on Wikipedia. I still think you will always have some kind of bias, as bias as an IQ test could possibly be. The Mensa tests don't appear to have any bias.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    But would you oppose studies that question whether race is a cause of IQ levels? Or is that taboo and simply not allowed?

    No, I wouldn't oppose it. Blacks, Whites, Asians, etc... are sub-species of humans and will have genetic differences, some of which may account for cognitive differences. However, it is far more likely that environmental factors are attributable to intelligence differences.
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    However, it is far more likely that environmental factors are attributable to intelligence differences.

    Perhaps a group's environment causes their IQ to be different. I'm referring to natural environment. If a group lives in Australia, perhaps they don't biologically NEED to be intelligent - their genes focus more on being strong or fast??
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Perhaps a group's environment causes their IQ to be different. I'm referring to natural environment. If a group lives in Australia, perhaps they don't biologically NEED to be intelligent - their genes focus more on being strong or fast??

    Possibly, but Australian's are really just europeans. They didn't diverge very long ago in evolutionary time. We have to consider periods of millions of years to account for genetic differences.

    Certainly the farmer's son is more likely to be muscular than intelligent. Intellectually impoverished environments cause a steady decline in the IQ of children.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Possibly, but Australian's are really just europeans. They didn't diverge very long ago in evolutionary time. We have to consider periods of millions of years to account for genetic differences.

    Certainly the farmer's son is more likely to be muscular than intelligent. Intellectually impoverished environments cause a steady decline in the IQ of children.

    I was referring to aboriginals who consistently score lowest on IQ tests.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I was referring to aboriginals who consistently score lowest on IQ tests.

    It is possible, a serious study would need to be performed. One thing is for certain, stereotypes affect cognitive performance. Any such study would need to have controls for the affects of environment and stereotyping.
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  • amethgr8amethgr8 Posts: 766
    The term race refers to the concept of dividing people into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics and beliefs about common ancestry.[1] The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color, facial features and hair texture), and self-identification

    from wikipedia

    race is only a concept
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    No one here has been able to contradict the statements I've made using arguments. You simply call me a racist with absolutely no information supporting your platitude bullshit.

    Case for Non-Biased Intelligence Testing Against Black Africans Has Not Been Made: A Comment on Rushton, Skuy, and Bons (2004)

    STEVEN F. CRONSHAW
    University of Guelph - Faculty of Management
    LEAH K. HAMILTON
    University of Guelph - Department of Psychology
    BETTY R. ONYURA
    University of Guelph - Department of Psychology
    ANDREW S. WINSTON
    University of Guelph - Department of Psychology
    Abstract:
    This reply reviews the conceptual, methodological, and statistical foundations of Rushton, Skuy and Bons' article in this journal that compared Black Africans, Whites and East Indians on the Raven's Advanced Progressive Matrices, and concluded that the Raven's is an unbiased test. Through a technical re-analysis of both the internal and external validity criteria for test bias using data reported in the Rushton et al. paper, we demonstrate that the Raven's Matrices test is in fact biased against Black Africans. We take issue with several additional elements of Rushton et al.'s study, including the use of non-equivalent groups in test samples. We briefly review Rushton's racial-realist research agenda and show that the assumption of test bias is central to advancing that agenda. Industrial/organizational and occupational psychologists should critically analyze and re-evaluate the science employed in Rushton's racial-realist research and also should better understand the ethical and social implications of accepting his reports of research findings on test bias and White-Black IQ differences as established scientific facts.
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