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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    catefrances wrote:
    i get aggressive( though until today in this thread i thought i was showing some restraint) ahnimus because it's no one's business but the woman's. she's the one that has to live with the decision she makes. yes if she is in a relationship she can, if she chooses, discuss it with her partner, but ultimately it is her decision.

    So if a man WANTED the abortion, but his female partner didnt, but that man can be forced to economically support that child, and if he's a half decent man he'll be obliged to support it emotionally and physically as well, where do you get off saying that ONLY the woman deals with the decision she makes?
    The man is affected by either decision equally. Only a woman would say what you said.

    It takes two to tango, but only one to choose?

    Interesting.
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  • catefrances
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    PaperPlates wrote:
    So if a man WANTED the abortion, but his female partner didnt, but that man can be forced to economically support that child, and if he's a half decent man he'll be obliged to support it emotionally and physically as well, where do you get off saying that ONLY the woman deals with the decision she makes?
    The man is affected by either decision equally. Only a woman would say what you said.

    It takes two to tango, but only one to choose?

    Interesting.

    i didn't say ONLY the woman deals with the decision she makes.

    and where i get off is, that a woman is the only one that can fall pregnant. if a guy doesn't want to take the chance of a partner becoming pregnant then he can abstain or use birth control himself. don't take it as gospel when a woman/girl tells him 'it's okay i'm on the pill'. only a fool would take anyone's word for that. yes it takes two to tango and if he doesn't take responsibility for birth control as well then yes, he may have to take responsibility for a child he didn't want.
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  • cincybearcat
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    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    i vote you as the adopting agent of all the unwanted babies that would be forced into existance if abortion was not legal.


    How do you feel about the homeless?

    I vote you the person that takes them all into your house and feeds them. In fact, I vote you the person that have to provide them employment above minimum wage.

    Where do we stop the nonsense?
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  • Dog Loyal
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    PaperPlates wrote:
    So if a man WANTED the abortion, but his female partner didnt, but that man can be forced to economically support that child, and if he's a half decent man he'll be obliged to support it emotionally and physically as well, where do you get off saying that ONLY the woman deals with the decision she makes?
    The man is affected by either decision equally. Only a woman would say what you said.

    It takes two to tango, but only one to choose?

    Interesting.
    Phhhhht. The world is overloaded with children whose fathers aren't taking responsibility financially or emotionally. The guy cuts out, he might get his wages garnished until he gets a job that pays him under the table: The mother cuts out, she gets jailed for neglect.

    It's a whole different ballgame, motherhood and fatherhood. Regardless of what it's politically correct to say about equality, the majority of the burdon of parenthood falls to mothers.

    If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
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  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    catefrances wrote:
    yes if she is in a relationship she can, if she chooses, discuss it with her partner, but ultimately it is her decision.

    If a girl made that decision about my fetus without consulting me first, I'd abort her as soon as I found out.
  • down_ski
    down_ski Posts: 328
    Sadly, sometimes abortion is a better option than some Orphanages...
  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    down_ski wrote:
    Sadly, sometimes abortion is a better option than some Orphanages...

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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I am completely for a woman's right to choose. Completely. But it seems there are even some within the prochoice movement who believe after a certain amount of months or trimesters, that that power should be taken away from women.

    Am I odd in being for abortion ANYTIME in a pregnancy. Anytime. I dont think after the third trimester it should be outlawed.

    The way I see it your for abortion or your not for it. I am for it. So abortion anytime during the pregnancy seems fair

    and i am completely with you. i'm not a scientist, and i don't know when alive being becomes a human being and starts to feel pain.....

    what i do think is that we can't have children being brought into this world where they are unwanted and unloved.....sure they can be adopted, but still it's not the same as when they have real parents who wanted them in the first place and wanted to care for them.

    when foetus is destroyed the pain is instant...well once again i don't know but at least pain lasts for one day only for that unborn child.....
    but if this kid is born and things don't go as planned a pain will be forever, that kid will be thinking for the rest of his/her life "why my mum left me"

    it's just my opinion, comments saying that i'm evil will not be answered, cause i don't want to waste my time, arguing about this
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    genie wrote:
    and i am completely with you. i'm not a scientist, and i don't know when alive being becomes a human being and starts to feel pain.....

    what i do think is that we can't have children being brought into this world where they are unwanted and unloved.....sure they can be adopted, but still it's not the same as when they have real parents who wanted them in the first place and wanted to care for them.

    when foetus is destroyed the pain is instant...well once again i don't know but at least pain lasts for one day only for that unborn child.....
    but if this kid is born and things don't go as planned a pain will be forever, that kid will be thinking for the rest of his/her life "why my mum left me"

    it's just my opinion, comments saying that i'm evil will not be answered, cause i don't want to waste my time, arguing about this

    So, just to clarify, if a 5 year old boy's mother abandons him. We should terminate the boy's life so that he doesn't wonder "Why mom left me?".
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  • Dog Loyal
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, just to clarify, if a 5 year old boy's mother abandons him. We should terminate the boy's life so that he doesn't wonder "Why mom left me?".
    Since when is a 5 yo equal to a fetus?

    At any rate, it's a silly argument since post-first-trimester abortions are extremely rare and usually involve either very young teens (who may not have even realized they were pregnant until they were farther along) and married women with planned pregnancies who get the terrible news that their unborn has severe or lethal defects and will suffer greatly.

    I've never met a woman who was at an obvious stage of pregnancy and had an abortion of a healthy fetus just because she didn't want it ... HAVE YOU?

    Here's why I'm for keeping late term abortion legal: http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansasstories.html

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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, just to clarify, if a 5 year old boy's mother abandons him. We should terminate the boy's life so that he doesn't wonder "Why mom left me?".

    i knew some posts like that were going to come up..

    you just putting my words into different situation.

    women have a right to choose when they are PREGNANT.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    Since when is a 5 yo equal to a fetus?

    very good point! :)
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    Since when is a 5 yo equal to a fetus?

    At any rate, it's a silly argument since post-first-trimester abortions are extremely rare and usually involve either very young teens (who may not have even realized they were pregnant until they were farther along) and married women with planned pregnancies who get the terrible news that their unborn has severe or lethal defects and will suffer greatly.

    I've never met a woman who was at an obvious stage of pregnancy and had an abortion of a healthy fetus just because she didn't want it ... HAVE YOU?

    Here's why I'm for keeping late term abortion legal: http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansasstories.html

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    That's fine, it should be allowed under certain circumstances, but it shouldn't be allowed to just anyone.
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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    but it shouldn't be allowed to just anyone.

    what exactly do you mean it "shouldn't be allowed just to anyone"?
  • Dog Loyal
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's fine, it should be allowed under certain circumstances, but it shouldn't be allowed to just anyone.
    Who decides which circumstances it should be allowed in, if not the person carrying the fetus?

    Because I don't want Rick Santorum making these decisions for us, just because he thinks it awesome to have a baby with anencephaly and watch it suffer and die, because that wins him big-ass brownie points with Jayzeus.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    genie wrote:
    what exactly do you mean it "shouldn't be allowed just to anyone"?

    Hey look, I'm all for aborting human life in the prenatal environment. But there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. To me that is the third trimester and I don't see how any rational individual can say otherwise. Certainly there are extenuating circumstances that would warrant such an operation. But in most pregnancies/abortions I don't feel that it's necissary. The decision to abort should have already been made and at that point I consider it murder.

    Women may argue "It's my body!". Yes, it's your body that is a vessel for another body, belonging to another being and that alone does not grant you authority over the other life. I support abortion within the first 10 weeks or less.

    It would seem we have those that do not condone abortion at all, and those that think it's ok to abort at any time. Few come to the middle to compromise and negotiate.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    Who decides which circumstances it should be allowed in, if not the person carrying the fetus?

    Because I don't want Rick Santorum making these decisions for us, just because he thinks it awesome to have a baby with anencephaly and watch it suffer and die, because that wins him big-ass brownie points with Jayzeus.

    That would fall into the catagory of "Extenuating Circumstances"

    But if I were a woman, that waited until my 7th month of pregnancy to 'decide' I don't want a child. It should not be available to me, under law, to terminate that life. It's already a viable human being.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    genie wrote:
    and i am completely with you. i'm not a scientist, and i don't know when alive being becomes a human being and starts to feel pain.....

    let me clarify it for you then. the instant the sperm and the egg come together. that's when a being becomes human.
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  • genie
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    catefrances wrote:
    let me clarify it for you then. the instant the sperm and the egg come together. that's when a being becomes human.

    and does it start to feel pain at that exact moment?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hey look, I'm all for aborting human life in the prenatal environment. But there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. To me that is the third trimester and I don't see how any rational individual can say otherwise. Certainly there are extenuating circumstances that would warrant such an operation. But in most pregnancies/abortions I don't feel that it's necissary. The decision to abort should have already been made and at that point I consider it murder.

    Women may argue "It's my body!". Yes, it's your body that is a vessel for another body, belonging to another being and that alone does not grant you authority over the other life. I support abortion within the first 10 weeks or less.

    It would seem we have those that do not condone abortion at all, and those that think it's ok to abort at any time. Few come to the middle to compromise and negotiate.

    so tell me ahnimus what would you call extenuating circumstances?
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