Joining the army

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

so its ok for you to call all people who join the military, poor, stupid, or ignorant? thats very grown up of you.

and I did give you an example. Pat Tillman and millions like him DO NOT fall in any of your catergories

Millions like him? Yeah, because there are millions of very rich white men joining the military aren't there? Goodness, lay off the pipe for a minute please. Obviously Pat Tillman wasn't poor. So this leaves either stupidity or ignorance (according to my theory). From what I've read about him he wasn't stupid but rather chose to join to "defend America" which we all know isn't what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq. The U.S. waged a war ofterror...not a war on terror. Willing participants were ignorant....or at least they were ignorant when they put their blind trust in the U.S. government, which has a long history of deception and corruption.

gabers · November 2006

Binaural wrote:

You seem to misunderstand pariotism.

Okay poor choice of words but my point was that some people to feel that joining the military is patriotic and it is a way of "paying back" for the sacrifices made by so many previously. I also feel you can be a dissenter and be a patriot. There are many ways one could be a patriot, depending on the current political environment.

jlew24asu · November 2006

don't gimme no wrote:

Millions like him? Yeah, because there are millions of very rich white men joining the military aren't there? Goodness, lay off the pipe for a minute please. Obviously Pat Tillman wasn't poor. So this leaves either stupidity or ignorance (according to my theory). From what I've read about him he wasn't stupid but rather chose to join to "defend America" which we all know isn't what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq. The U.S. waged a war ofterror...not a war on terror. Willing participants were ignorant....or at least they were ignorant when they put their blind trust in the U.S. government, which has a long history of deception and corruption.

you still don't get it. sadly, I dont t you never will.

do you believe that el queda attacked the US? do you believe el queda is an enemy of the US?

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

you still don't get it. sadly, I dont t you never will.

do you believe that el queda attacked the US? do you believe el queda is an enemy of the US?

I'm not sure what to believe. One thing I do know is that the U.S. Government has repeatedly lied about 9/11 and the events leading up to it and immediately following it. I don't subscribe to any of the theories I've heard so far, which includes the official bullshit story provided by the U.S. Government.

Ebizzie · November 2006

don't gimme no wrote:

Nice, thanks for the name-calling. Very grown-up of you. Now I must point out that your post once again fails to counter my opinion in any valid manner. Congratulations on making a completely useless post. I encourage you to give me a valid reason for joining the military that doesn not fall into one of the three categories I mentioned. And I'm not saying that I'm right on this, it's merely my opinion.

Btw, one of my favorite quotes (one of my good friends says it all the time - not sure who originally said it) is this - "If someone isn't trying to offend you and you're offended - you're an idiot. If someone is trying to offend you and you're offended......you're an idiot."

You're a little weasel. Your premise is based on most military folks not being rich when you know that only 1% of the general population falls into such a category. Even if EVERY rich white kid joined the military, the numbers compared to those who aren't rich would be minuscule.

You expect those who disagree with you to back up our opinions yet you showed no numbers to back up your opinions in the first place. That's some lazy debate on your part...ironically symptomatic of an "ignorant" debater. I could lay all sorts of ridiculous claims out on this board without offering a bit of evidence, but I wouldn't be so irresponsible to do so, unlike you.

Look, I'm sorry you're losing your best friend to the service. I think that someone may be just a bit jealous of their friend taking the steps that you were too scared to take. It's 100% natural, but please don't take your discouragement out on those of us who actually own a set of balls.

Thanks.

jlew24asu · November 2006

Ebizzie wrote:

You're a little weasel. Your premise is based on most military folks not being rich when you know that only 1% of the general population falls into such a category. Even if EVERY rich white kid joined the military, the numbers compared to those who aren't rich would be minuscule.

You expect those who disagree with you to back up our opinions yet you showed no numbers to back up your opinions in the first place. That's some lazy debate on your part...ironically symptomatic of an "ignorant" debater. I could lay all sorts of ridiculous claims out on this board without offering a bit of evidence, but I wouldn't be so irresponsible to do so, unlike you.

Look, I'm sorry you're losing your best friend to the service. I think that someone may be just a bit jealous of their friend taking the steps that you were too scared to take. It's 100% natural, but please don't take your discouragement out on those of us who actually own a set of balls.

Thanks.

owned

sapperskunk · November 2006

Ebizzie wrote:

You're a little weasel. Your premise is based on most military folks not being rich when you know that only 1% of the general population falls into such a category. Even if EVERY rich white kid joined the military, the numbers compared to those who aren't rich would be minuscule.

You expect those who disagree with you to back up our opinions yet you showed no numbers to back up your opinions in the first place. That's some lazy debate on your part...ironically symptomatic of an "ignorant" debater. I could lay all sorts of ridiculous claims out on this board without offering a bit of evidence, but I wouldn't be so irresponsible to do so, unlike you.

Look, I'm sorry you're losing your best friend to the service. I think that someone may be just a bit jealous of their friend taking the steps that you were too scared to take. It's 100% natural, but please don't take your discouragement out on those of us who actually own a set of balls.

Thanks.

Wow, I think you just said what a lot of people were thinking Ebbizie. I remember coming back home on leave and seeing dipshit friends of mine who weren't in school still working at my local grocer. I'm a Junior in college now after 4 years of active duty and I'm going to graduate before friends who stayed home the whole time I was gone in Germany, the Balkans and the Middle East.

I don't get it, "don't gimme no", you yourself wanted to be in the military but unfortunately past experiences hindered your opportunity. So were you stupid, ignorant, poor? Or all three? Was linguist the only thing you were willing to do?

The Illinoisemakers · November 2006

sapperskunk wrote:

Wow, I think you just said what a lot of people were thinking Ebbizie. I remember coming back home on leave and seeing dipshit friends of mine who weren't in school still working at my local grocer. I'm a Junior in college now after 4 years of active duty and I'm going to graduate before friends who stayed home the whole time I was gone in Germany, the Balkans and the Middle East.

I don't get it, "don't gimme no", you yourself wanted to be in the military but unfortunately past experiences hindered your opportunity. So were you stupid, ignorant, poor? Or all three? Was linguist the only thing you were willing to do?

Good points Mr. Skunk. By the way, how's the deck stain tonight?

old and in the way · November 2006

I think "dont gimme no" has fallen victim to the common misconceptions that many in our society have concerning those who serve in our military. Many ot these left over from the Vietnam era. That lower income, undereducated, minorities and immigrants are overly represented in our ranks. This is simply not true (then or now). The only demographic that stands out as overly represented are southern white males. This has been true for a couple of generations. It is not because of southern poverty its because of the southern military tradition. Many bases and retired military all over the south. For the most part our services are a cross section of our society. As far as education goes you have to have a college education to serve as an officer or even be a successful senior enlisted. To gain any real success in the officer corp you need at least a masters.

sapperskunk · November 2006

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Good points Mr. Skunk. By the way, how's the deck stain tonight?

Robust and fabulous Mr. Maker, "glug glug" absolutely fabulous.

Sonja_S · November 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

well IMHO power, control, world dominance is much different then money. I guess i'm just being silly.

You think Hitler killed 6 million jews because he wanted money? no, he wanted power, control, and world dominace

Of course he wanted power, control and world dominance but he also wanted money. His hatred for the jews was amongst other things fuelled by many jews in Germany and Austria being wealthy while he ended up in a homeless shelter in Vienna. Disposessing millions of jews sure didn't get him any money, eh?

gue_barium · November 2006

Kenny Olav wrote:

I wouldn't join the United States military at the present time. But if there was a justiafiable war for freedom, I would fight it. Classic example: The Battle of Stirling Bridge (and accompanying battles in the wars for Scottish independence). Oh yeah, and World War II.

I think you're full of it.
Could a picture be painted today that doesn't sate the prescription of those times for freedom as there is right now, right here in America, and wordlwide as there has been at any other time when freedom was so threatened? If you were true to your words you would be in kilt, blue-faced, and carrying a sword in Washington, DC this very moment.

jlew24asu · November 2006

Sonja_S wrote:

Of course he wanted power, control and world dominance but he also wanted money. His hatred for the jews was amongst other things fuelled by many jews in Germany and Austria being wealthy while he ended up in a homeless shelter in Vienna. Disposessing millions of jews sure didn't get him any money, eh?

like I said, money is a side effect. not the main or sole reason for going to war.

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

Ebizzie wrote:

You're a little weasel. Your premise is based on most military folks not being rich when you know that only 1% of the general population falls into such a category. Even if EVERY rich white kid joined the military, the numbers compared to those who aren't rich would be minuscule.

You expect those who disagree with you to back up our opinions yet you showed no numbers to back up your opinions in the first place. That's some lazy debate on your part...ironically symptomatic of an "ignorant" debater. I could lay all sorts of ridiculous claims out on this board without offering a bit of evidence, but I wouldn't be so irresponsible to do so, unlike you.

Look, I'm sorry you're losing your best friend to the service. I think that someone may be just a bit jealous of their friend taking the steps that you were too scared to take. It's 100% natural, but please don't take your discouragement out on those of us who actually own a set of balls.

Thanks.

roflmao....I'm pretty sure you're getting the lack of brain cells confused with owning a set of balls. Again, a useless post from an uninformed poster. Why don't you try to read the fucking thread next time before you post? My premise is not that these people aren't rich. That was my one response to someone saying there are millions like Pat Tillman joining the military. Read before you start calling names and shooting shit out of your ignorant ass.

jlew24asu · November 2006

don't gimme no wrote:

roflmao....I'm pretty sure you're getting the lack of brain cells confused with owning a set of balls. Again, a useless post from an uninformed poster. Why don't you try to read the fucking thread next time before you post? My premise is not that these people aren't rich. That was my one response to someone saying there are millions like Pat Tillman joining the military. Read before you start calling names and shooting shit out of your ignorant ass.

this is why you dont get it. when I said millions like him (tillman) I meant millions of people with his courage and bravery.

I pity people like you and your mindset.

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

sapperskunk wrote:

Wow, I think you just said what a lot of people were thinking Ebbizie. I remember coming back home on leave and seeing dipshit friends of mine who weren't in school still working at my local grocer. I'm a Junior in college now after 4 years of active duty and I'm going to graduate before friends who stayed home the whole time I was gone in Germany, the Balkans and the Middle East.

I don't get it, "don't gimme no", you yourself wanted to be in the military but unfortunately past experiences hindered your opportunity. So were you stupid, ignorant, poor? Or all three? Was linguist the only thing you were willing to do?

Well, when I entertained the idea I was young, uninformed (ignorant), not in poverty but wasn't sure what I wanted for a career, and I was clearly stupid. No, linguist wasn't the only thing I was willing to do. But after being lied to over and over again, I was able to recognize what dirty assholes these guys can be and I wasn't willing to put my life into their hands. Turns out it was a very smart move. I now have a successful career in the business world and oh yeah, I still have my self-respect.

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

old and in the way wrote:

I think "dont gimme no" has fallen victim to the common misconceptions that many in our society have concerning those who serve in our military. Many ot these left over from the Vietnam era. That lower income, undereducated, minorities and immigrants are overly represented in our ranks. This is simply not true (then or now). The only demographic that stands out as overly represented are southern white males. This has been true for a couple of generations. It is not because of southern poverty its because of the southern military tradition. Many bases and retired military all over the south. For the most part our services are a cross section of our society. As far as education goes you have to have a college education to serve as an officer or even be a successful senior enlisted. To gain any real success in the officer corp you need at least a masters.

Are you trying to tell me that the military doesn't target young kids in poverty? If it weren't so sad it would be laughable.

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

this is why you dont get it. when I said millions like him (tillman) I meant millions of people with his courage and bravery.

I pity people like you and your mindset.

But it's uninformed courage and bravery, which I prefer to call stupidity. It's like all these people who vote but don't know a goddamn thing about the candidates. I'd rather they not vote than to support someone they know nothing about. Think about that one jlew, it's a pretty good analogy.

jlew24asu · November 2006

don't gimme no wrote:

But it's uninformed courage and bravery, which I prefer to call stupidity. It's like all these people who vote but don't know a goddamn thing about the candidates. I'd rather they not vote than to support someone they know nothing about. Think about that one jlew, it's a pretty good analogy.

many times people vote based on their party affiliation. when someone is a republican or democrat they know something (not nothing) about a candidate.

you fail to realize other functions of the military besides walking on the battlefield and shooting someone who you feel is not the enemy. (el queda). which is its own stupidity, yours, seperately.

you only seem to base your logic on the current situation in Iraq. do these people fall into the same category if they enlist during peace time?

you cant call someone stupid or ignorant because they dont make the same decisions you would make. and then turn around and say, "o well im not trying to offend anyone, they are just stupid dumbfuck ignorant people, its just my opinon no offense."

Eliot Rosewater · November 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

many times people vote based on their party affiliation. when someone is a republican or democrat they know something (not nothing) about a candidate.

you fail to realize other functions of the military besides walking on the battlefield and shooting someone who you feel is not the enemy. (el queda). which is its own stupidity, yours, seperately.

you only seem to base your logic on the current situation in Iraq. do these people fall into the same category if they enlist during peace time?

you cant call someone stupid or ignorant because they dont make the same decisions you would make. and then turn around and say, "o well im not trying to offend anyone, they are just stupid dumbfuck ignorant people, its just my opinon no offense."

I know that killing innocent Iraqi civilians is not the only function of the U.S. Military. But history tells us that the U.S. uses its military over and over again for questionable (at best) functions. To join out of pride and honor for this country is ignorant. There is no pride and honor in terrorizing the world and I'm not only referring to Iraq.

We clearly cannot agree. And the difference between us is that I don't think you're stupid. I think you're blinded by all the flags being flown on your street and by this administration ramming their own false definition of patriotism down everyone's throat. Maybe I'm wrong and if anyone's offended then so be it. This is how I feel....

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