The 2008 Democratic ticket will be Obama/Edwards

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  • Posts: 310
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I hope not. I hate it when people who lose a primary turn around and run as an independent like Lieberman. Drives me crazy

    You know what drives me crazy? Stooges.
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • Posts: 927
    onelongsong wrote:
    if you're right about the ticket; we can look forward to another republican government for another 4 years. the democrats are not offering a candidate capable of beating a republican ticket.

    I agree.
    My blog for your boots:
    http://inthepresenttense.blogspot.com/
  • Posts: 17,117
    Bouse wrote:
    are you aware that you have to be registered as a Republican to vote in the Republican primary? Most people who voted Democrat, etc, aren't registered Republicans now.

    And the people who take the polls correct for all the variables you are talking about, like the under 24 age group and who has a landline. They have pretty good estimates of who will change party, how many new voters there will be, etc.

    Ron Paul can't win because the media has (correctly) labeled him as a raging lunatic and people don't vote for candidates with that image. Most voters are too stupid to do the research themselves. And most who do the research on Ron Paul would come to the conclusion that he is a nutcase anyway. So he will lose.

    i can tell yuo are your mothers daughter :)

    and that is a good thing! :D
  • Posts: 17,117
    In Delaware, you have to be registered with a party to vote for them in the primary

    that is the ONLY reason i am a registered Democrat... otherwise i would be a Registered Independent... because that is what i think everyone should be, an independent... blind loyalty to any "party" is just silly to me... and quite foolish
  • Seattle Posts: 7,177
    my2hands wrote:
    i can tell yuo are your mothers daughter :)

    and that is a good thing! :D

    Actually, her mother posts with more tact and decorum. Because I greatly respect her mother I didn't want to get into it, but to dismiss people whose focus is individual liberty as crazy says a lot about why we currently live in a nanny state.

    As far as the primary process, it does vary from state to state. In my state we've switched from strictly a caucus system, to an open primary (you could vote for any candidate in any party), to a system where you have to ask for a Rep or Dem ballot. The parties still also hold caucuses and retain the authority to use or ignore the results of the primaries when selecting delegates. The Republicans will use the primaries to allocate 51% of its delegates. The Democrats will not use the results of the primaries to allocate delegates.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Posts: 2,500
    my2hands wrote:
    and they will be sworn in on 1-20-09 as the President and Vice-President of the U.S.A.

    Write it down.

    Gauranteed.

    my2hands has made his official prediction :cool:


    this is one exciting time in America... at least on the Democrat's side... a black man... a woman... a latino... a Senator from Delaware ;)... outspoken peace candidates that are ahead of their time...

    Of course the Republicans are coming to the party with the same old white men they usually come with... perhaps they dont realize that the majority of the country is either a woman or a minority... oh well, too bad for them and their 18th century agenda...



    waddya folks think? either side?... and dont just say who you support... because the guy i am voting for has no chance it appears (Dennis Kucinich)


    and you forgot the democrat candidate who is being censored and thrown to the curb by his own party and a bunch of its candidates who are either

    1. Lying to you
    2. Not answering questions asked in debates.


    and you are all falling for these democrats cuz youre fucking blind and should have your voting abilities taken away from you.


    clowns
  • Posts: 2,500
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    if the polls aren't rigged, i think he has a very valid chance.

    Rudy seems to have a lack of REAL support on the ground.

    I have traveled through 4 states in the past 2 months on several occassions, and everytime i see Ron Paul signs ALL over town (i was just in Orlando, and RPaul signs are RAMPANT down there) ... on the flip side, signs for other candidates (in EITHER party) are 100% missing. NONE.

    What does that say?
    Is it 100% proof of anything?
    No.
    Does it indicate that Ron Paul may have more support than what other candidates truly possess when it comes to motivated voters\supporters at a local level?

    I think it is a fair indication.
    If Rudy and Romney have all these supporters, where are they!?!

    Are they just quietly sitting at home, not donating $, not putting up signs, not joining meetup groups, not attending the rallies ... waiting to go to the polls, confident that their candidate will win the primaries, campaigning be damned?

    What i mean is,
    why are Ron Paul supporters so visible EVERYWHERE in action, but the other candidates support ONLY seems to come from campaign $ and mainstream media coverage received? And increasingly these candidates have SHRINKING contributions while Paul is about to break 10 million by months end with a huge surge on the 16th of Dec?


    How many Giuliani or Romney bumper stickers have you seen?
    I haven't seen ANY. Why not? Because he doesn't seem to really have any support localy. Corporations are forking over the $ but the people remain silent.
    Last i checked coporations still cant vote, only people can! lol

    So WHERE ARE THE OTHER CANDIDATES CONSTITUENTS?
    Are they SO confident that they dont need to get out and stump?
    I find that idea a bit far fetched.

    did you SEE this video?
    He isn't sounding so fringe anymore.
    "more signs on the ground than any other candidate", "a real chance if he concentrates his efforts" ???

    IN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS, the numbers are showing that roughly 500 BILLION in adjustable rate mortgages will reset ... foreclosures are expected to DOUBLE again in the next quarter. Things are getting REALY BAD for the average american, the blue collar worker, and the lower-middle class family.

    As that happens, quotes like this from JEFFERSON will seem disturbingly relevant:
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." -- Thomas Jefferson

    and there is ONE candidate that understands that message, who can act on it, and who can bring that message to the people.
    The prophecies and nightmares of our founding fathers are coming to pass, and the people will come around.
    Once millions actualy DO WAKE UP HOMELESS, you will see the people seek REAL answers, answers involving tough questions, and answers that NO OTHER CANDIDATE is willing to offer.

    who told you ben franklin said that quote in your signature

    it was thomas paine.
  • Posts: 8,684
    macgyver06 wrote:
    who told you ben franklin said that quote in your signature

    it was thomas paine.

    I think the actual authorship of the quote is a bit unclear, but i never saw ANY evidence it was Paine.
    Not that i would care either way who wrote it, but let me know your source on that, cause i don't see it.

    THE POINT i am making is that the founding fathers warned us about so much of what is occuring at this very moment in history. If we would only trust their judgement on these issues and follow the guidelines they wrote for us, we would have some hope. As it is, it appears people would prefer to continue and give up their liberties, sell off their treasury to the arabs, print more fake money and devalue all of it, spend wrecklessly, and allow corporations to rule the day, with no hope of an honest politician having affect on anything.

    :(
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • Posts: 17,117
    macgyver06 wrote:
    and you forgot the democrat candidate who is being censored and thrown to the curb by his own party and a bunch of its candidates who are either

    1. Lying to you
    2. Not answering questions asked in debates.


    and you are all falling for these democrats cuz youre fucking blind and should have your voting abilities taken away from you.


    clowns


    hahahahahahaha

    i guess reading comprehension is not your strong point my good friend.

    where did i say i supported these 2 candidates? i was simply making a prediction, thats all.

    or maybe you missed my last line in my OP where i stated i was voting for Kucinich, you know the guy who is being thrown to the curb by hins own party? or maybe you missed where i refernenced "peace candidates that are ahead of their time"

    me and you, we generally agree on most things from what i have read. so perhaps you should actually read what i write before jumping down my throat stating i am "fuckign blind" and should have my "voting rights should be taken away" and call me a "clown"

    read and comprehend, before you post chief, thanks. :rolleyes:
  • Posts: 7,762
    My3rdEye wrote:
    I agree.

    Both Zogby and Gallup have Edwards or Obama winning against any of the Republican nominees. It's Hillary that struggles in the general elections.
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  • Posts: 7,762
    Mestophar wrote:
    18-25 year olds generally don't vote, but is that because they are not involved in the process? Maybe they have never seen a candidate worth voting for? I think you will be surprised at how many new Republicans, 18-25, will vote and we all know who they will be voting for.

    But keep towing the party line, somebody has to do it.

    Who's towing the party line? I stated that I hate when someone loses a primary then runs as an independent.

    Keep being the one that's too indie and intelligent to support a top tier candidate.
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  • Posts: 3,517
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Both Zogby and Gallup have Edwards or Obama winning against any of the Republican nominees. It's Hillary that struggles in the general elections.

    edwards has a chance of beating a republican in the general election. obama doesn't have a chance.
  • Posts: 2,500
    my2hands wrote:
    hahahahahahaha

    i guess reading comprehension is not your strong point my good friend.

    where did i say i supported these 2 candidates? i was simply making a prediction, thats all.

    or maybe you missed my last line in my OP where i stated i was voting for Kucinich, you know the guy who is being thrown to the curb by hins own party? or maybe you missed where i refernenced "peace candidates that are ahead of their time"

    me and you, we generally agree on most things from what i have read. so perhaps you should actually read what i write before jumping down my throat stating i am "fuckign blind" and should have my "voting rights should be taken away" and call me a "clown"

    read and comprehend, before you post chief, thanks. :rolleyes:

    not directed at you..just the people who sit down and watch these fraudulent debates expectiing some kind of truth
  • Posts: 7,762
    onelongsong wrote:
    edwards has a chance of beating a republican in the general election. obama doesn't have a chance.

    Obama is polling at 47% in a election. 3 points ahead of Edwards and 6 ahead of Clinton. Obama or Edwards are the only Dems who could win in November.
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    Obama is polling at 47% in a election. 3 points ahead of Edwards and 6 ahead of Clinton. Obama or Edwards are the only Dems who could win in November.

    that 47% is dems. and it's also the dems polled. not many back country rednecks that would vote for hitler before letting a black man in the office have been polled.
  • Posts: 7,762
    onelongsong wrote:
    that 47% is dems. and it's also the dems polled. not many back country rednecks that would vote for hitler before letting a black man in the office have been polled.

    Zogby and Gallup are not Dem polls. I would think they got a fair sample of voters from across the country.

    I also don't see the point of polling down in the south for a Democrat because you know they won't win that state and get it's Electoral votes. It's like polling for Republicans in Mass, NY, or Illinois. Just a waste of time.
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    Zogby and Gallup are not Dem polls. I would think they got a fair sample of voters from across the country.

    I also don't see the point of polling down in the south for a Democrat because you know they won't win that state and get it's Electoral votes. It's like polling for Republicans in Mass, NY, or Illinois. Just a waste of time.

    brilliant. only poll the states he may win in to get a fair idea of where he stands.
  • Posts: 483
    The way I see it, the only two candidates who are capable of changing this country are either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul. While they have different beliefs and goals, it is evident that they would bring about some sort of change.

    The other candidates will be just like the majority of presidents we have had. Afraid to take a hard stance on any issue, which will just cause this country to continue sliding down the current slope we are on.

    Again just the way I see it, but it is evident that we need change. The question is how do you want to it to come about? With Ron Paul, government interference is all but gone. Kucinich, like Paul, supports protecting individual liberties but feels that we all need to help each other out. Personally, I think this is a difficult and chaotic time for our country, we need as much help from our (hopefully revamped) government as we can get.
    "Don't lose your inner heat...ever" - EV 5/13/06
  • Posts: 7,762
    onelongsong wrote:
    brilliant. only poll the states he may win in to get a fair idea of where he stands.

    I don't like it either man, but in reality national elections boil down to less than 10 states whose electoral college wait will swing the election. We should just go by total votes and forget the electoral college
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    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    The way I see it, the only two candidates who are capable of changing this country are either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul. While they have different beliefs and goals, it is evident that they would bring about some sort of change.

    The other candidates will be just like the majority of presidents we have had. Afraid to take a hard stance on any issue, which will just cause this country to continue sliding down the current slope we are on.

    Again just the way I see it, but it is evident that we need change. The question is how do you want to it to come about? With Ron Paul, government interference is all but gone. Kucinich, like Paul, supports protecting individual liberties but feels that we all need to help each other out. Personally, I think this is a difficult and chaotic time for our country, we need as much help from our (hopefully revamped) government as we can get.

    i think ron paul is the right man for the job. i don't think he'll get on the ticket because republicans will be putting their votes toward making sure hillary or obama don't get elected. that means getting the most popular man on their ticket.

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