The 2008 Democratic ticket will be Obama/Edwards

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    With Ron Paul, government interference is all but gone. Kucinich, like Paul, supports protecting individual liberties but feels that we all need to help each other out. Personally, I think this is a difficult and chaotic time for our country, we need as much help from our (hopefully revamped) government as we can get.

    But hasn't history shown us that the best way government can help is to simply not help at all?

    Isn't "government help" what got us in to this mess we are in? Helping with inflation (creating lots of it, the dollar is worth a penny), helping with social security (helping to spend your retirement on war, ensuring you will have no security, it's broke), helping with welfare, helping the environment (clean air act, anyone?), helping disabled vets (by denying them coverage, "the shrapnel was not service related") ...

    ... what have they gotten right recently?
    For all the big programs they administer, they seem to do much better job of wasting your money and causing a red-tape clusterfuck than they do of affecting any real public benefit.

    The dream of government assistance is just that, a dream.
    I just don't see where wanting to believe in that dream helps make it any more real. The track record is NOT there, why would you want to place your money on that bet?
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    But hasn't history shown us that the best way government can help is to simply not help at all?

    i disagree


    sometimes i am not sure where you "no government" guys get your info... most of it is either assumed or just flat out wrong
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    my2hands wrote:
    i disagree


    sometimes i am not sure where you "no government" guys get your info... most of it is either assumed or just flat out wrong
    You disagree that Social Security is 100% unfunded and insolvent?

    You disagree that The Fed has devalued the dollar to a current value of around 1 to 2 cents on the dollar from its original early 1900s value?

    Shrinking the value of your dollar to 1/100 and spending ALL of your alleged retirement savings ...

    ... yes truly helping you ...

    ???
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    You disagree that Social Security is 100% unfunded and insolvent?
    Not yet, it's not. And in my opinion it's a relatively easy fix to keep it solvent past 2042. Change the cap.
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    You disagree that The Fed has devalued the dollar to a current value of around 1 to 2 cents on the dollar from its original early 1900s value?

    Shrinking the value of your dollar to 1/100 and spending ALL of your alleged retirement savings ...

    ... yes truly helping you ...

    ???
    Money is relative to what you can buy. All I know is I own a shitload more stuff than my grandparents did at my age (and, no, not all of it came from China) - and with a more secure dollar, it seems. Fluxuations happen, but I don't see a Great Depression on the way.

    No Government means total corporate control, just as total government means no private control. Balance is the key. Balance requires adjustments to maintain, sure - and some don't like that, but I can't say I'm overly paranoid about our current mixed economy.

    Now, if we would just stop bombing the shit out of brown people and start spending that money here (say, for some sort of alternative to what we're buying from those same brown people), I'd be peaches.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RainDog wrote:
    Not yet, it's not. And in my opinion it's a relatively easy fix to keep it solvent past 2042. Change the cap.
    right
    Money is relative to what you can buy. All I know is I own a shitload more stuff than my grandparents did at my age (and, no, not all of it came from China) - and with a more secure dollar, it seems. Fluxuations happen, but I don't see a Great Depression on the way.

    No Government means total corporate control, just as total government means no private control. Balance is the key. Balance requires adjustments to maintain, sure - and some don't like that, but I can't say I'm overly paranoid about our current mixed economy.

    Now, if we would just stop bombing the shit out of brown people and start spending that money here (say, for some sort of alternative to what we're buying from those same brown people), I'd be peaches.
    our debt based economy scares me... but not as much as some of these folks
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    You disagree that Social Security is 100% unfunded and insolvent?

    You disagree that The Fed has devalued the dollar to a current value of around 1 to 2 cents on the dollar from its original early 1900s value?

    Shrinking the value of your dollar to 1/100 and spending ALL of your alleged retirement savings ...

    ... yes truly helping you ...

    ???

    anything else? the government is more than SS and the fed
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    my2hands wrote:
    right

    our debt based economy scares me... but not as much as some of these folks
    I don't know the exact figures, myself. But it seems like if we stopped with the massive "defense" spending (which will always require an enemy to justify), we'd have more than enough in our coffers and wouldn't be in this debt based economy.

    Now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any defense spending, but my god - we've been shaking our balls at the world so hard and so often, I'm surprised they haven't fallen off yet.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RainDog wrote:
    I don't know the exact figures, myself. But it seems like if we stopped with the massive "defense" spending (which will always require an enemy to justify), we'd have more than enough in our coffers and wouldn't be in this debt based economy.

    Now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any defense spending, but my god - we've been shaking our balls at the world so hard and so often, I'm surprised they haven't fallen off yet.

    i was also refering to personal debt... which is a larger problem than out national debt IMO
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    my2hands wrote:
    and they will be sworn in on 1-20-09 as the President and Vice-President of the U.S.A.

    Write it down.

    Gauranteed.

    my2hands has made his official prediction :cool:


    this is one exciting time in America... at least on the Democrat's side... a black man... a woman... a latino... a Senator from Delaware ;)... outspoken peace candidates that are ahead of their time...

    Of course the Republicans are coming to the party with the same old white men they usually come with... perhaps they dont realize that the majority of the country is either a woman or a minority... oh well, too bad for them and their 18th century agenda...



    waddya folks think? either side?... and dont just say who you support... because the guy i am voting for has no chance it appears (Dennis Kucinich)

    The Kucinich campaign profile has certainly quieted down recently, however, there's a long way to go until November.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    gue_barium wrote:
    The Kucinich campaign profile has certainly quieted down recently, however, there's a long way to go until November.

    still clearly the best candidate to me... by far
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    write it down
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Not sure it is set in stone. I could see it happening. The question is if Edwards would accept.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    I'd rather see Obama/Biden!
  • Hoon
    Hoon Posts: 175
    NH is the state that all the candidates campaigned in. I'll take the top from that state


    Iowa is where corruption and money have the advantage.
    If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection from cultural illusion.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Hoon wrote:
    NH is the state that all the candidates campaigned in. I'll take the top from that state


    Iowa is where corruption and money have the advantage.

    Que?
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    Hoon wrote:
    NH is the state that all the candidates campaigned in. I'll take the top from that state


    Iowa is where corruption and money have the advantage.

    "Corruption and money"? What!?!

    Look at the Republicans. The guy who spent 1/20th of the money of the other guy WON. The guy who ran ads that were considerably more negative LOST.

    What corruption are you talking about?
    How is NH going to be different for the other candidates?

    I don't follow...
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    onelongsong wrote:
    if you're right about the ticket; we can look forward to another republican government for another 4 years. the democrats are not offering a candidate capable of beating a republican ticket.
    lmao...you can't be serious. The only way that ticket could be more "electable" would be if it were reversed to Edwards / Obama. If Obama and Edwards team up I guarantee they'll win in a landslide.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    obama is head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to presence and speaking

    and that is why he wil win
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    ride the wave...


    stone had it right early on :)
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    time for edwards to bail and endorse obama... then nearly all of the edwards voters will sway to obama


    this guy is something else... something real special happening right now...


    i am on board

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