edwards voters will flock to obama in a wave... it will be the overwhelming difference... if edwards bails
i have seen nearly every major speech obama has given since 2004 and this guy is something special... electric and inspiring... we need that type of leadership in the white house...
i have been holding back just watching... i didnt want to jump the gun... but i will cast quite possibley the proudest vote of my life on 2/5/08, and again in November
we are ready for the 21st century and the massive progress that can be achieved...
I think the big news tonight is the huge increase in the voters.
that is always great news...
i have a feeling it is the under 30's going for obama and a platform of change that are helping the voter surge...
the older crowd have been the ones saying that america isnt ready for a black or woman president... they are completley underestimating the "hip hop" generation in my opinion... this is the 21st century for gods sake...
time for edwards to bail and endorse obama... then nearly all of the edwards voters will sway to obama
this guy is something else... something real special happening right now...
i am on board
I almost totally agree. I just think Edwards should wait to drop out till after Super Tuesday. There is a lot more positive things he can add to the campaign for all the contenders as a candidate vs. a forgotten drop out in the main stream press.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
he who will his running mate be? I highly doubt it will be edwards.
It will be Wesley Clark. There was quite a lot of talk in Democratic circles that not picking Wesley Clark in 2004 was what brought down Senator Kerry bid.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
I almost totally agree. I just think Edwards should wait to drop out till after Super Tuesday. There is a lot more positive things he can add to the campaign for all the contenders as a candidate vs. a forgotten drop out in the main stream press.
i agree...
but dont count out a back door deal giving him the vp nod if he bails and endorses... th
It will be Wesley Clark. There was quite a lot of talk in Democratic circles that not picking Wesley Clark in 2004 was what brought down Senator Kerry bid.
I was thinking about this thread in the shower this morning....and Clark was the name that sprung into my head. Edwards brings nothing....just ask Kerry...to the ticket. A third place finish in South Carolina will be an albatross around his neck, plus the loser tag from 2004 makes him damaged goods. I would be far more willing to vote for Obama/Clark than just about anybody else the Demos could trawl up. All Clinton and Edwards have to offer is the same shit/different day.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
It will be Wesley Clark. There was quite a lot of talk in Democratic circles that not picking Wesley Clark in 2004 was what brought down Senator Kerry bid.
and they will be sworn in on 1-20-09 as the President and Vice-President of the U.S.A.
Write it down.
Gauranteed.
my2hands has made his official prediction :cool:
this is one exciting time in America... at least on the Democrat's side... a black man... a woman... a latino... a Senator from Delaware ... outspoken peace candidates that are ahead of their time...
Of course the Republicans are coming to the party with the same old white men they usually come with... perhaps they dont realize that the majority of the country is either a woman or a minority... oh well, too bad for them and their 18th century agenda...
waddya folks think? either side?... and dont just say who you support... because the guy i am voting for has no chance it appears (Dennis Kucinich)
Edwards already said he would never take the VP job, but I expect he will be involved in Obama's Presidency in some way.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
I was thinking about this thread in the shower this morning....and Clark was the name that sprung into my head. Edwards brings nothing....just ask Kerry...to the ticket. A third place finish in South Carolina will be an albatross around his neck, plus the loser tag from 2004 makes him damaged goods. I would be far more willing to vote for Obama/Clark than just about anybody else the Demos could trawl up. All Clinton and Edwards have to offer is the same shit/different day.
Exactly. Edwards will not be the #2 guy for either Hillary or Barak. He is a complete fraud, and the players in his party know it. He'll stay in for awhile to try to play power broker, but in the long run, he offers nothing but bullshit.
Edwards has made much of his renunciation of his Iraq War vote. But he has not stopped there. His entire campaign has been an orgy of regret and renunciation.
-- As senator, he voted in 2001 for a bankruptcy bill that he now denounces.
-- As senator, he voted for storing nuclear waste in Nevada's Yucca Mountain. Twice. He is now fiercely opposed.
-- As senator, he voted for the Bush-Kennedy No Child Left Behind education reform. He now campaigns against it, promising to have it "radically overhauled."
-- As senator, he voted for the Patriot Act, calling it "a good bill ... and I am pleased to support it." He now attacks it.
-- As senator, he voted to give China normalized trade relations. Need I say? He now campaigns against liberalized trade with China as a sellout of the middle class to the great multinational agents of greed, etc.
Breathtaking. People can change their minds about something. But everything? The man served one term in the Senate. He left not a single substantial piece of legislation to his name, only an astonishing string of votes on trade, education, civil liberties, energy, bankruptcy and, of course, war that now he not only renounces but inveighs against.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Drifting, as much as I'd like to think that Paul had a chance on the Republican side there isn't any. His supporters are really passionate which is why you see the signs, but amongst the base of the Republican side of things he's a no name. Sadly, people vote on names and not issues.
Ain't that the truth! Wish I had been posting here back a few months ago...people seemed quite different.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You have no reason to trust liars and politicians.
We know who the best choices are for 2008 that are still running.
= Nader/Gonzalez
That is the right vote.
With their run comes their effect on the Obama/Gore presidency. They will tilt more "left" and get more votes and be more likely to win over the VegiCon.
I do step back and consider the doctrine of 3 ways to get become president.
1. Steal the Election through voter fraud/media/electronic machines -Bush and McVegi
2. Run within the 2 undemocratic parties to gain the nomination -Kucinich
3. Have a voting record of a political sellout but slip in as a honest human minded leader incognito -Obama
The problem with number 3 is thats what folk thought of Bill Clinton.
Who knows. I never trusted Bill but May trust Obama seeing through what is immediately precieved.
I was involved in the race for 12/06--01-08 my patience with the American people is spent.
They don't care, they don't care, even for their right to vote. Pathetic.
Karl Rove could fashion a "revolutionary movement" and they would follow. Did they?
Continue on those who can for the movement of truth, justice and love. That force will crest the wave over the dam. You can save the world if you Save Yourself.
Healthy cells of a body speak clearer amongst themselves.
It is pushing the Issues and History that matter. We can educate.
Nader/Gonzalez is the way to do this other than spreading the word about:
When listening to Air America the other day I heard a feller who was an Obama fan talking about how he saw the move "Fog of War". Quite new to "politics" it made quite an impact on him!
If the Obama movement is infiltrated honestly with the intention to educate and improve we could gain some valuable ground towards truth. Not a presidency but truth. Its a thought.
You have no reason to trust liars and politicians.
We know who the best choices are for 2008 that are still running.
= Nader/Gonzalez
That is the right vote.
With their run comes their effect on the Obama/Gore presidency. They will tilt more "left" and get more votes and be more likely to win over the VegiCon.
I do step back and consider the doctrine of 3 ways to get become president.
1. Steal the Election through voter fraud/media/electronic machines -Bush and McVegi
2. Run within the 2 undemocratic parties to gain the nomination -Kucinich
3. Have a voting record of a political sellout but slip in as a honest human minded leader incognito -Obama
The problem with number 3 is thats what folk thought of Bill Clinton.
Who knows. I never trusted Bill but May trust Obama seeing through what is immediately precieved.
I was involved in the race for 12/06--01-08 my patience with the American people is spent.
They don't care, they don't care, even for their right to vote. Pathetic.
Karl Rove could fashion a "revolutionary movement" and they would follow. Did they?
Continue on those who can for the movement of truth, justice and love. That force will crest the wave over the dam. You can save the world if you Save Yourself.
Healthy cells of a body speak clearer amongst themselves.
It is pushing the Issues and History that matter. We can educate.
Nader/Gonzalez is the way to do this other than spreading the word about:
When listening to Air America the other day I heard a feller who was an Obama fan talking about how he saw the move "Fog of War". Quite new to "politics" it made quite an impact on him!
If the Obama movement is infiltrated honestly with the intention to educate and improve we could gain some valuable ground towards truth. Not a presidency but truth. Its a thought.
Most of these people aren't active politically. They aren't doing nothin'. But they are there.
Time to schedule a "house party to raise money for Barack" while watching the movie of Our Choice.
Armed with knowledge we can "Better Obama" or at least his followers.
? blah ?
I hear ya, C! I am so frustrated with Obama supporters for the most part because they seem to mold to fit his stances instead of molding him to fit theirs! And they are the voters....they ones who are supposed to be hiring someone based on what they want to see, not the other way around! C'mon people!!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and they will be sworn in on 1-20-09 as the President and Vice-President of the U.S.A.
Write it down.
Gauranteed.
my2hands has made his official prediction :cool:
this is one exciting time in America... at least on the Democrat's side... a black man... a woman... a latino... a Senator from Delaware ... outspoken peace candidates that are ahead of their time...
Of course the Republicans are coming to the party with the same old white men they usually come with... perhaps they dont realize that the majority of the country is either a woman or a minority... oh well, too bad for them and their 18th century agenda...
waddya folks think? either side?... and dont just say who you support... because the guy i am voting for has no chance it appears (Dennis Kucinich)
nice, disagree though, Edwards is being quiet, but I think for some reason, he is in Hillary's camp. I thought he had far more problems with her than Obama during the debate's.
Not sure who, but I think a Dem Governor might be chosen, but I think Jim Webb would be great, but he has too much baggage I think. I'm a fan of Joe Biden, and I'm not sure how much longer he'll stay in the Senate. I'll go with Webb, though it won't happen.
do agree, that Obama and another will be sworn in as President.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
Yes, people should get involved with these things. But that's not the point. Many people that want to be involved with these things already are. Sadly, most people think voting someone else into office will be the answer to all their problems. They aren't interested in these things....like when I posted a petition for HR 676 and a bunch of info on it along with a list of names and ways to contact their representatives, it dropped without any replies. Then finally after it was bumped it got some replies but they mostly included people who were against UHC and some arguing about it with them. People seem to want to hold onto to this line of thinking where someone else is going to fix it all for them because they don't have the time in their lives to do it themselves. So while I know so many people are widely falling into this category, I feel it's quite important to address many misconceptions the public seems to have about their candidate of choice and point out how this person might not do what he says he's going to and if his record, history of accomplishments or special interest contributors are any indication, he probably won't be anywhere close to this leader who will usher in all this change like they seem to think he will. It's important to show you're paying attention to these things and speak out about them in oder to show the govt what we will and won't put up with and that they need to be upfront and honest about themselves or we will be quick to call them out on it. If we sit back and all these misconceptions to flourish then our democracy is in a lot of trouble.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
thats whats wrong with my generation... they think "links" and youtube clips create progress and are going to save the world...
And what do you think?
As I remember you are pretty good about posting those, as well.
And I'm not the type to write off a form of communication, spreading ideas and information just because it's the 'in thing' to criticize people about now. Lots of good info can be passed along and that DOES make a positive difference in the world. Awareness is a good thing. Simply being a youtube clip, blog or link to a site doesn't make it good, bad or a waste of time alone....the substance inside them does. So to me, this argument is silly. People can create progress in many various methods and outlets. To me it's promising that people are even bothering instead of playing their wii or watching american idol. I'm all for taking in all the info that out there and deciding for yourself what you believe. If you don't like what you see then debate the substance of the info not the medium it was presented in.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
As I remember you are pretty good about posting those, as well.
And I'm not the type to write off a form of communication, spreading ideas and information just because it's the 'in thing' to criticize people about now. Lots of good info can be passed along and that DOES make a positive difference in the world. Awareness is a good thing. Simply being a youtube clip, blog or link to a site doesn't make it good, bad or a waste of time alone....the substance inside them does. So to me, this argument is silly. People can create progress in many various methods and outlets. To me it's promising that people are even bothering instead of playing their wii or watching american idol. I'm all for taking in all the info that out there and deciding for yourself what you believe. If you don't like what you see then debate the substance of the info not the medium it was presented in.
sure, it can be good. it can be helpful, and i am all for the spreading of information. but it gets a tad ridiculous sometimes. half the threads on the MT have a youtube link in the first sentence. overkill i guess... and the whole "i am enlightened because i watched loose change" attitude i see sometimes is a bit ridiculous... they are around here as well, not you by any means, but there are a few...
sure, it can be good. it can be helpful, and i am all for the spreading of information. but it gets a tad ridiculous sometimes. half the threads on the MT have a youtube link in the first sentence. overkill i guess... and the whole "i am enlightened because i watched loose change" attitude i see sometimes is a bit ridiculous... they are around here as well, not you by any means, but there are a few...
This argue has to be one of the oldest and most tired ones on this board. I remember the cons pulling it when we'd post stuff on Bush.....'Oh no, not information!!!' 'Can't you think for yourself?!'
Then the minute someone posts some opinion with any facts to back it up it's 'Link please?' 'Where's the source?' 'Where did you get that idea'
I post links, I friggin adore youtube and have many favorite sites that I share. But I also post my thoughts in plenty of detail here all the time.
So I still say argue the substance...not what form it happens to come in.
'
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Comments
welcome aboard. Nice to have you. Make room, theres more to come.
FIRED UP! READY TO GO!
no slogans or chants for me, but he has my vote and my support
MSNBC said there is no clear indication which way his voters will go. That will change I am sure.
I think the big news tonight is the huge increase in the voters.
i have seen nearly every major speech obama has given since 2004 and this guy is something special... electric and inspiring... we need that type of leadership in the white house...
i have been holding back just watching... i didnt want to jump the gun... but i will cast quite possibley the proudest vote of my life on 2/5/08, and again in November
we are ready for the 21st century and the massive progress that can be achieved...
so dont let us down like clinton did
that is always great news...
i have a feeling it is the under 30's going for obama and a platform of change that are helping the voter surge...
the older crowd have been the ones saying that america isnt ready for a black or woman president... they are completley underestimating the "hip hop" generation in my opinion... this is the 21st century for gods sake...
speaking as a child of the 90's...
I almost totally agree. I just think Edwards should wait to drop out till after Super Tuesday. There is a lot more positive things he can add to the campaign for all the contenders as a candidate vs. a forgotten drop out in the main stream press.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
The Tie-Dye Lady is HOT!!!
It will be Wesley Clark. There was quite a lot of talk in Democratic circles that not picking Wesley Clark in 2004 was what brought down Senator Kerry bid.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
The Tie-Dye Lady is HOT!!!
i agree...
but dont count out a back door deal giving him the vp nod if he bails and endorses... th
I couldnt think of a worse scenario. ok seriously, who will be his running mate?
ew
Ahh, I forgot about Clark, and I like the combo.
Edwards already said he would never take the VP job, but I expect he will be involved in Obama's Presidency in some way.
Stop by:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14678777351&ref=mf
Exactly. Edwards will not be the #2 guy for either Hillary or Barak. He is a complete fraud, and the players in his party know it. He'll stay in for awhile to try to play power broker, but in the long run, he offers nothing but bullshit.
Here is a good piece on him from RealClearPolitics last Friday:
John Edwards: Losing Ugly
You got to spend it all
Ain't that the truth! Wish I had been posting here back a few months ago...people seemed quite different.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
truth, honesty, good voting record . . .Nah. . . politicians yah
I am leaning toward Trust
WE might still win, even though the American people have failed
I don't trust em
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/20/2648/
http://current.com/items/88853797_the_audacity_of_fraud_how_barack_obama_is_losing_my_vote
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You have no reason to trust liars and politicians.
We know who the best choices are for 2008 that are still running.
= Nader/Gonzalez
That is the right vote.
With their run comes their effect on the Obama/Gore presidency. They will tilt more "left" and get more votes and be more likely to win over the VegiCon.
I do step back and consider the doctrine of 3 ways to get become president.
1. Steal the Election through voter fraud/media/electronic machines -Bush and McVegi
2. Run within the 2 undemocratic parties to gain the nomination -Kucinich
3. Have a voting record of a political sellout but slip in as a honest human minded leader incognito -Obama
The problem with number 3 is thats what folk thought of Bill Clinton.
Who knows. I never trusted Bill but May trust Obama seeing through what is immediately precieved.
I was involved in the race for 12/06--01-08 my patience with the American people is spent.
They don't care, they don't care, even for their right to vote. Pathetic.
Karl Rove could fashion a "revolutionary movement" and they would follow. Did they?
Continue on those who can for the movement of truth, justice and love. That force will crest the wave over the dam. You can save the world if you Save Yourself.
Healthy cells of a body speak clearer amongst themselves.
It is pushing the Issues and History that matter. We can educate.
Nader/Gonzalez is the way to do this other than spreading the word about:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/330973/aKucinichFullIssuesBook062107
When listening to Air America the other day I heard a feller who was an Obama fan talking about how he saw the move "Fog of War". Quite new to "politics" it made quite an impact on him!
If the Obama movement is infiltrated honestly with the intention to educate and improve we could gain some valuable ground towards truth. Not a presidency but truth. Its a thought.
http://my.barackobama.com/
Most of these people aren't active politically. They aren't doing nothin'. But they are there.
Time to schedule a "house party to raise money for Barack" while watching the movie of Our Choice.
Armed with knowledge we can "Better Obama" or at least his followers.
? blah ?
http://www.freewayblogger.com/
http://www.freewayblogger.com/manifesto.htm
I hear ya, C! I am so frustrated with Obama supporters for the most part because they seem to mold to fit his stances instead of molding him to fit theirs! And they are the voters....they ones who are supposed to be hiring someone based on what they want to see, not the other way around! C'mon people!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
some are also wasting alot of energy on Ralph Nader, he has NO intention of winning, or even coming close
There are other ways to spread the word about the issues. There are single issue related groups people should get involved with.
HR676 The United States National Health Insurance Act
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
http://www.myspace.com/onecarenoworg
http://www.hr676.org/
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00676:
Mail your representatives instantly here about 676:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/what-can-i-do/petitions/pnum649.php
Works much like: http://www.usalone.com/ <
multi-issue*
The National Initiative For Democracy
http://ni4d.us/
HR808 U.S. Department of Peace
http://www.thepeacealliance.org/ is an amazing organization
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.00808:
Voting Rights
http://www.fairvote.org/ <
click the get involved page*
What I think we should really be focusing on is taking over congress
You all should run for congress. Then we can tell Obama what to do.
YOU ARE Qualified to Run for Congress...
if you are:
* 25 yrs old
* US Resident for 7 years
http://peacecandidates.com/
All the requirements/deadlines are listed there by state.
Peace Candidates can get National Support for their local race.
Download and study this book to guide you
http://www.scribd.com/doc/330973/aKucinichFullIssuesBook062107
nice, disagree though, Edwards is being quiet, but I think for some reason, he is in Hillary's camp. I thought he had far more problems with her than Obama during the debate's.
Not sure who, but I think a Dem Governor might be chosen, but I think Jim Webb would be great, but he has too much baggage I think. I'm a fan of Joe Biden, and I'm not sure how much longer he'll stay in the Senate. I'll go with Webb, though it won't happen.
do agree, that Obama and another will be sworn in as President.
Stop by:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14678777351&ref=mf
Yes, people should get involved with these things. But that's not the point. Many people that want to be involved with these things already are. Sadly, most people think voting someone else into office will be the answer to all their problems. They aren't interested in these things....like when I posted a petition for HR 676 and a bunch of info on it along with a list of names and ways to contact their representatives, it dropped without any replies. Then finally after it was bumped it got some replies but they mostly included people who were against UHC and some arguing about it with them. People seem to want to hold onto to this line of thinking where someone else is going to fix it all for them because they don't have the time in their lives to do it themselves. So while I know so many people are widely falling into this category, I feel it's quite important to address many misconceptions the public seems to have about their candidate of choice and point out how this person might not do what he says he's going to and if his record, history of accomplishments or special interest contributors are any indication, he probably won't be anywhere close to this leader who will usher in all this change like they seem to think he will. It's important to show you're paying attention to these things and speak out about them in oder to show the govt what we will and won't put up with and that they need to be upfront and honest about themselves or we will be quick to call them out on it. If we sit back and all these misconceptions to flourish then our democracy is in a lot of trouble.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
thats whats wrong with my generation... they think "links" and youtube clips create progress and are going to save the world...
And what do you think?
As I remember you are pretty good about posting those, as well.
And I'm not the type to write off a form of communication, spreading ideas and information just because it's the 'in thing' to criticize people about now. Lots of good info can be passed along and that DOES make a positive difference in the world. Awareness is a good thing. Simply being a youtube clip, blog or link to a site doesn't make it good, bad or a waste of time alone....the substance inside them does. So to me, this argument is silly. People can create progress in many various methods and outlets. To me it's promising that people are even bothering instead of playing their wii or watching american idol. I'm all for taking in all the info that out there and deciding for yourself what you believe. If you don't like what you see then debate the substance of the info not the medium it was presented in.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
sure, it can be good. it can be helpful, and i am all for the spreading of information. but it gets a tad ridiculous sometimes. half the threads on the MT have a youtube link in the first sentence. overkill i guess... and the whole "i am enlightened because i watched loose change" attitude i see sometimes is a bit ridiculous... they are around here as well, not you by any means, but there are a few...
This argue has to be one of the oldest and most tired ones on this board. I remember the cons pulling it when we'd post stuff on Bush.....'Oh no, not information!!!' 'Can't you think for yourself?!'
Then the minute someone posts some opinion with any facts to back it up it's 'Link please?' 'Where's the source?' 'Where did you get that idea'
I post links, I friggin adore youtube and have many favorite sites that I share. But I also post my thoughts in plenty of detail here all the time.
So I still say argue the substance...not what form it happens to come in.
'
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde