Eddie, VH1, and Conservatives

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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    mammasan wrote:
    I think his initial responce was probably him playing to the crowd, which is fine, but I believe he was being sincere when he stated that he respects people's different opinions.

    I totally agree. Ed's a pretty witty guy with great sarcasm...and sometimes that translates into people thinking you're deadly serious about things, when in reality, you're simply getting a rise out of people.
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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    offigo wrote:
    If he did not like to exchange opinions he would have had a hard time being such good friends with Johnny Ramone.

    Another great point, thank you for making it.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    hailhailkc wrote:
    I totally agree. Ed's a pretty witty guy with great sarcasm...and sometimes that translates into people thinking you're deadly serious about things, when in reality, you're simply getting a rise out of people.

    Much like Ann Coulter. When you disagree with satire, it's hateful, when you agree with it, it's smart.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Much like Ann Coulter. When you disagree with satire, it's hateful, when you agree with it, it's smart.

    Are you honestly comparing Ed saying Fuck'em to some of the comments Coulter has made.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    polaris wrote:
    i do feel bad for all those that don't wanna hear ed speak ... who want the band to not say things that might be offensive to them ... but the show is story tellers and ed does write almost all the friggin' lyrics and frig if "the avocado" album isn't political then you ain't listening ...

    at the end of it tho - i think what many fail to realize is how frustrating it can be for someone with convictions watching the lack of action against a regime that shits in the face of humanity ...

    i guess before - many could listen to the songs and like em cuz they can garner their own interpretations but when it comes straight from the horses mouth that it is about this or that ... they just don't wanna hear it ...

    ..............

    They used the time how they saw fit. Apparently, the situation our country is in now is a wee bit more important that the meaning behind 'Lowlight'. The rest of the band are also politically active and are also big boys who don't need people coming here and posting their opinions for them. Show me anywhere where they said they disagreed with what/how Ed said what he did.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    mammasan wrote:
    Are you honestly comparing Ed saying Fuck'em to some of the comments Coulter has made.

    see the post (and the one quoted) above.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    see the post (and the one quoted) above.

    Ann never laughs jokingly and goes on to say how she respects anything or anyone.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    see the post (and the one quoted) above.

    Ed saying Fuck'em and that explaining that he respects everyone's opinion is not even in the same ballpark, not even the same galaxy as some of the cold hearted god awfull gibberish that has come out of Ann Coulter's mouth.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ann never laughs jokingly and goes on to say how she respects anything or anyone.

    So throw in a laugh, patronize with some sorry shit about being tolerant, backpedal when you realize/see your mates reaction, and flippant insulting remarks towards fans is ok? Then after you recant your intial response, continue to wittingly/unwittingly further insult them by implying that if you dont see things JUST THE WAY that person does, you're wearing blinders? Interesting take on it.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    So throw in a laugh, patronize with some sorry shit about being tolerant, backpedal when you realize/see your mates reaction, and flippant insulting remarks towards fans is ok? Then after you recant your intial response, continue to wittingly/unwittingly further insult them by implying that if you dont see things JUST THE WAY that person does, you're wearing blinders? Interesting take on it.

    I think you are seeing way more in it than I did. I didn't think for one second there would be these kind of reactions. I saw it as a joke.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    PaperPlates wrote:
    So throw in a laugh, patronize with some sorry shit about being tolerant, backpedal when you realize/see your mates reaction, and flippant insulting remarks towards fans is ok? Then after you recant your intial response, continue to wittingly/unwittingly further insult them by implying that if you dont see things JUST THE WAY that person does, you're wearing blinders? Interesting take on it.


    NOt really..there's reality-which does tend to have a liberal slant, and then there is this world that cons see...its different, divided...us against them type of world. We're all here on the same planet, we need to learn to get along and not fuck up the environment and not go to war and so on.

    So there's the right way to see things, ie, ED and 90% of the world's view, and a world seen through blinders...ie, cons and elitists everywhere.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I think you are seeing way more in it than I did. I didn't think for one second there would be these kind of reactions. I saw it as a joke.


    Maybe because the "joke" wasnt at your expense. So was it just me who thought Mike looked mortified at Ed's "joke"?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Maybe because the "joke" wasnt at your expense. So was it just me who thought Mike looked mortified at Ed's "joke"?

    Yes.

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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Commy wrote:
    NOt really..there's reality-which does tend to have a liberal slant, and then there is this world that cons see...its different, divided...us against them type of world. We're all here on the same planet, we need to learn to get along and not fuck up the environment and not go to war and so on.

    So there's the right way to see things, ie, ED and 90% of the world's view, and a world seen through blinders...ie, cons and elitists everywhere.

    No point arguing that. You've got it all figured out. All "cons" see the world through blinders? Versus what? Your happy colored magic sunglasses?? How amusing must it be to anyone out there watching a bunch of psuedo intellects treating the words of a surfer burnout rockstars political regurgitation as gospel.






    Do you honestly think 90% of the world agrees with eddie vedder? Really? Or is this just proof that 90% of all percentages offered are made up?
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Yes.

    (10 character minimum)

    no more 10 character limit

    and I didn't think he looked shocked either...afterall, he's been in the same band with Ed for 16 years.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    no more 10 character limit

    Shit when did that happen and why didn't I get the memo.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    mammasan wrote:
    Shit when did that happen and why didn't I get the memo.

    Well, eddie wanted to post here, and he can't get more than ten characters out without 45 uhhhhhhhhhhs, so he asked that the rules be changed.


    ;)
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Well, eddie wanted to post here, and he can't get more than ten characters out without 45 uhhhhhhhhhhs, so he asked that the rules be changed.


    ;)

    Wow did his comment really affect you that much. You shouldn't be so thin-skinned.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    mammasan wrote:
    Ed saying Fuck'em and that explaining that he respects everyone's opinion is not even in the same ballpark, not even the same galaxy as some of the cold hearted god awfull gibberish that has come out of Ann Coulter's mouth.

    First of all, Ann actually makes original points. Ed mumbles something about the truth and picks up his pom poms saying that we need to get out there and vote, and everything can change. Wow. Thanks for the public service.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I think I am perhaps the Stone of this message board ... :) More conservative than many, but yeah, I can see how Bush sucks ass.


    stone is actually pretty giving when it comes to contributions...liberal contributions

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    Nader, Ralph
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
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