Breach in the wall made by Palestinians at Gaza

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Perhaps, but I am more part of a fair solution than part of the problem

    you fully support hamas. that will never be a solution.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well first you have to put it on the level that it's on. You're dealing with a dog and a you're a 6,5" 350 pound fighter carrying a club.

    That's the analogy. Smash away...

    If the stupid fucking dog bites me, then yes, he'll get a club to the head.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you fully support hamas. that will never be a solution.

    I support fairness and equality and place blame accordingly when it does not occur.

    my bad..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jeffbr wrote:
    If the stupid fucking dog bites me, then yes, he'll get a club to the head.

    So you would kill a dog for biting you? How about your own dog?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I never said Israel can retaliate. never once. BOTH sides are at fault. and Hamas will never have peace until they admit Israel can exist. and Israel will never have peace as long as they build more settlements.


    I agree, both sides have much to answer for. But when it comes to violence ISreal has the upper hand. They prefer to solve problems with tanks. It's their ace in the hole-thanks to US support. The PLO did kick Israel out of Lebanon (and got US marines out as well), but over all Israel can inflict more violence than any thousand suicide bombers.

    Israel prefers violence, it is where they are strong.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So you would kill a dog for biting you? How about your own dog?

    Now you're really starting to take your analogy far afield. If it was a dog that kept on coming, or wouldn't release after a couple of smacks, then yes, if I felt threatened I'd kill it. If it was my dog? Are you saying Palestinians are Israeli pets? I'm missing your point on the 2nd question. If it was my dog, it wouldn't bite me in the first place. So is your solution to give each Israeli a Palestinian for a pet? I don't get it.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jeffbr wrote:
    Now you're really starting to take your analogy far afield. If it was a dog that kept on coming, or wouldn't release after a couple of smacks, then yes, if I felt threatened I'd kill it. If it was my dog? Are you saying Palestinians are Israeli pets? I'm missing your point on the 2nd question. If it was my dog, it wouldn't bite me in the first place. So is your solution to give each Israeli a Palestinian for a pet? I don't get it.

    Well it's living in your house, and you've kicked it a lot. but forget it.... I know your answer regardless...

    You either see it for what it is, or you don't
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You either see it for what it is, or you don't

    I see it exactly for what it is. A clusterfuck where both sides are being stupid, and neither side will work for peace. You are the one who is only seeing one side of the conflict and have created good guys and bad guys out of the situation.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Before there can be peace all sides need to realize Israeli aggression is more to blame than anything. And peace, if that is the goal , cannot be attained until Israel decides to stop being the instigator.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jeffbr wrote:
    I see it exactly for what it is. A clusterfuck where both sides are being stupid, and neither side will work for peace. You are the one who is only seeing one side of the conflict and have created good guys and bad guys out of the situation.


    One side acts the other reacts. Bulldozing homes...evicting people from their land....let it sink in a bit...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Until there can be real peace all sides need to realize that both sides are to blame. Just as Israel instigates violence with its idiotic occupation, Hamas instigates by firing rockets just when it seems as if things quieted down. Both sides are assholes.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    One side acts the other reacts.

    Exactly. Dipshits shoot rockets at Israel, Israel blows their shit up.

    Both sides are guilty. Both sides instigate at various times.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jeffbr wrote:
    Exactly. Dipshits shoot rockets at Israel, Israel blows their shit up.

    Both sides are guilty. Both sides instigate at various times.

    There's no such thing as defending yourself in an aggressive occupation. At the outset, you are intruding from the get go.

    Israel decided to flip the switch a decide it wanted the place for itself, then started leveling anything in it's path that protested.

    What did they expect would happen?

    duh...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    1944.
    http://tmh.floonet.net/graphics/map366.gif

    1946 - 2000
    http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/images/Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg

    Just roll over a little more, it's almost complete...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Commy wrote:
    Before there can be peace all sides need to realize Israeli aggression is more to blame than anything. And peace, if that is the goal , cannot be attained until Israel decides to stop being the instigator.

    how about one side agreeing that the other can exist?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how about one side agreeing that the other can exist?

    And the other side agreeing that they won't try to steal all the land.

    Simple as that.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Commy wrote:
    Before there can be peace all sides need to realize Israeli aggression is more to blame than anything.

    This is silly at best, vengeful at worst. In short, because of attitudes like this, you have war.

    In reality, before there can be peace, all sides need to realize that the definition of peace is the absence of conflict and then to act accordingly.

    "Realizing" (read blaming) one side is not a step towards peace. Peace stems from independence and blame is a highly dependent act. Peace will be found when both sides stop referring to the other, but rather only to themselves. When Israelis start talking about recognizing their own borders, when Palestinians start talking about preventing attacks and repraisals from their own territorty, and both sides start talking about healing the ideological schisms within their own populations, peace will be in short order.
    And peace, if that is the goal , cannot be attained until Israel decides to stop being the instigator.

    I cannot believe that this kind of statement is still being made. Of course Israel has been an instigator. But to imply, as this does, that Palestinians and other parties have not been instigators, is nothing short of insane. There have been so many instigations by both sides that finger pointing is laughable.

    This topic is so blindly partisan, so ingrained, and so visceral, it's no surprise that so little progress is made.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Nice land grab...

    That's what we have here....

    They've lost enough land and suffered enough already. They are the ones defending themselves. Israel will just keep taking. Look for yourself.

    They will take every last square inch. There is no intention of living in peace. Those in power are insane.

    Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg

    http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/gallery.html
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Roland,

    I'm curious -- what is your solution to this problem? Do you want to give the land back to the British? Give it all to the existing Palestinian government? Use international forces to push both sides back to the 1967 borders? What specifically, in your mind, will lead to peace?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    And the other side agreeing that they won't try to steal all the land.

    Simple as that.

    absolutely. but most on here agree with hamas that Israel doesnt have the right to exist. it gets us no where.

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