I'm curious -- what is your solution to this problem? Do you want to give the land back to the British? Give it all to the existing Palestinian government? Use international forces to push both sides back to the 1967 borders? What specifically, in your mind, will lead to peace?
Small progressive steps of faith. First remove all the Palestinian only land checkpoints that do not cross through the settlements. Second, allow proper food, medications, and goods to flow freely. Third, start treating Palestinian families and children etc.. like human beings and with dignity instead of like animals, and the situation will begin to turn. Stop bulldozing their crops and homes.
That's a start...just that would be a huge step.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Small progressive steps of faith. First remove all the Palestinian only land checkpoints that do not cross through the settlements. Second, allow proper food, medications, and goods to flow freely. Third, start treating Palestinian families and children etc.. like human beings and with dignity instead of like animals, and the situation will begin to turn. Stop bulldozing their crops and homes.
That's a start...just that would be a huge step.
Ok. I absolutely agree that all those things should be done.
Now, you realize that some of the above have happened numerous times over the past 40 years, right? And, when Israel does the above, their actions are followed by attacks from within Palestine, right? So, when those attacks happen, what do you think Israel's response should be and what should the Palestinian government do?
absolutely. but most on here agree with hamas that Israel doesnt have the right to exist. it gets us no where.
I wasn't aware that anyone thought that on here.
Israel's there now, end of but just stop the occupations and the land grabs and i think most would be happy.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok. I absolutely agree that all those things should be done.
Now, you realize that some of the above have happened numerous times over the past 40 years, right? And, when Israel does the above, their actions are followed by attacks from within Palestine, right? So, when those attacks happen, what do you think Israel's response should be and what should the Palestinian government do?
If what you say is true, how about being the bigger person and not retaliate. We managed to deal with the IRA without retaliation all the time.
It's just goes round and round you hit me so I'll hit you back.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok. I absolutely agree that all those things should be done.
Now, you realize that some of the above have happened numerous times over the past 40 years, right? And, when Israel does the above, their actions are followed by attacks from within Palestine, right? So, when those attacks happen, what do you think Israel's response should be and what should the Palestinian government do?
They've stolen all their land, and driven unspeakable seeds of hatred throughout generations of peoples lives, so they're going to have to exercise incredible tolerance and take their due lumps before picking up the axe and grinding it again.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
you're one of them. if you support hamas then you support their goal. which is to not have a state of Israel.
end the land grabs and have hamas accept the state of Israel. neither are happening.
You think this takes a week, or a month, or a year to resolve? It's going to take generations of healing and many years of forgetting this level of atrocity and hatred.
Probably 30 - 100yrs is more like it. People and bad memories have to die, and new ones have to be born into it....a few new lifetimes untainted by the process.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
They've stolen all their land, and driven unspeakable seeds of hatred throughout generations of peoples lives, so they're going to have to exercise incredible tolerance and take their due lumps before picking up the axe and grinding it again.
I don't understand. Your logic here is that a party being attacked has every right to defend itself through whatever means and hypocrisy. If Palestinians are right to use violent means to retaliate, why wouldn't the Israeli's then be right to do so?
Also, you didn't fully address my question. In the event these attacks happen, what should the Palestinian government do?
You think this takes a week, or a month, or a year to resolve? It's going to take generations of healing and many years of forgetting this level of atrocity and hatred.
Probably 30 - 100yrs is more like it. People and bad memories have to die, and new ones have to be born into it....a few new lifetimes untainted by the process.
are you talking about the Israelis or Palestinians? I say both you say its one sided. which just isnt true and will only lead to the same ol cycle of violence you seem to condone.
you're one of them. if you support hamas then you support their goal. which is to not have a state of Israel.
end the land grabs and have hamas accept the state of Israel. neither are happening.
Sigh, I've never said that Israel should not exist. I simply do not agree with there actions and the American support, just as some other people on this board feel.
I do not support Hamas but i understand why they fight.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I absolutely agree with you! But do you agree with you?
What do you mean?
Originally Posted by spiral out
I don't see why Palestine should walk away. It's there land and it is being stolen by the Israelis.
I'm talking about the occupied territories not the the whole of Israel there.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
are you talking about the Israelis or Palestinians? I say both you say its one sided. which just isnt true and will only lead to the same ol cycle of violence you seem to condone.
Israel. Look at the map over time...look what they've done. That's one seriously f-ng deep wound they've created.
Ironically reminds me of Iraq, and another country.
Greedy people get their fingers burned.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Small progressive steps of faith. First remove all the Palestinian only land checkpoints that do not cross through the settlements. Second, allow proper food, medications, and goods to flow freely. Third, start treating Palestinian families and children etc.. like human beings and with dignity instead of like animals, and the situation will begin to turn. Stop bulldozing their crops and homes.
That's a start...just that would be a huge step.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Ok. I absolutely agree that all those things should be done.
Now, you realize that some of the above have happened numerous times over the past 40 years, right? And, when Israel does the above, their actions are followed by attacks from within Palestine, right? So, when those attacks happen, what do you think Israel's response should be and what should the Palestinian government do?
I wasn't aware that anyone thought that on here.
Israel's there now, end of but just stop the occupations and the land grabs and i think most would be happy.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
you're one of them. if you support hamas then you support their goal. which is to not have a state of Israel.
end the land grabs and have hamas accept the state of Israel. neither are happening.
If what you say is true, how about being the bigger person and not retaliate. We managed to deal with the IRA without retaliation all the time.
It's just goes round and round you hit me so I'll hit you back.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
They've stolen all their land, and driven unspeakable seeds of hatred throughout generations of peoples lives, so they're going to have to exercise incredible tolerance and take their due lumps before picking up the axe and grinding it again.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I absolutely agree with you! But do you agree with you?
You think this takes a week, or a month, or a year to resolve? It's going to take generations of healing and many years of forgetting this level of atrocity and hatred.
Probably 30 - 100yrs is more like it. People and bad memories have to die, and new ones have to be born into it....a few new lifetimes untainted by the process.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I don't understand. Your logic here is that a party being attacked has every right to defend itself through whatever means and hypocrisy. If Palestinians are right to use violent means to retaliate, why wouldn't the Israeli's then be right to do so?
Also, you didn't fully address my question. In the event these attacks happen, what should the Palestinian government do?
are you talking about the Israelis or Palestinians? I say both you say its one sided. which just isnt true and will only lead to the same ol cycle of violence you seem to condone.
Sigh, I've never said that Israel should not exist. I simply do not agree with there actions and the American support, just as some other people on this board feel.
I do not support Hamas but i understand why they fight.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
What do you mean?
Originally Posted by spiral out
I don't see why Palestine should walk away. It's there land and it is being stolen by the Israelis.
I'm talking about the occupied territories not the the whole of Israel there.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Israel. Look at the map over time...look what they've done. That's one seriously f-ng deep wound they've created.
Ironically reminds me of Iraq, and another country.
Greedy people get their fingers burned.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")