Breach in the wall made by Palestinians at Gaza

RolandTD20Kdrummer

What Israel does to the Palestinians is thoroughly sickening. Destroying people's houses and physically forcing them from their land with violence and death....the very definition of terrorism itself.

pic:
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/MIDEAST_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS-4.sff_AXLP101_20080123031259.jpg

vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocjkugWEEc

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DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What Israel does to the Palestinians is thoroughly sickening. Destroying people's houses and physically forcing them from their land with violence and death....the very definition of terrorism itself.

pic:
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/MIDEAST_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS-4.sff_AXLP101_20080123031259.jpg

vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocjkugWEEc

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Some one jump in and prove me wrong,
but i'm gonna go out on a limb and take a wild guess this wasn't reported on the american nightly news?

Got sad and wanted to turn this off by the time the guys were haulin' the cement.

The hypocratic righteousness of the Western moral authority is nauseating.

:( :( :(

Then I SAW THIS.
- Gaza City was plunged into darkness Sunday after Israel blocked the shipment of fuel that powers its only electrical plant in retaliation for persistent rocket attacks by Gaza militants.

The power cut forced already beleaguered Gazans to stock up on food and batteries in anticipation of dark, cold days ahead. Gaza officials warned the move would cause a health catastrophe while a U.N. agency and human rights groups condemned Israel.

"We have the choice to either cut electricity on babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients or stop operating rooms," Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said.

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:sigh:

Real civilized response Israel.
:( :(

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What Israel does to the Palestinians is thoroughly sickening. Destroying people's houses and physically forcing them from their land with violence and death....the very definition of terrorism itself.

pic:
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/MIDEAST_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS-4.sff_AXLP101_20080123031259.jpg

vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocjkugWEEc

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all of which could be avoided if hamas stopped firing missiles into Israel

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

all of which could be avoided if hamas stopped firing missiles into Israel

Of course...make everyone suffer.

Nice deduction.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Of course...make everyone suffer.

Nice deduction.

Israel certainly overacts, theres no question. but my statement holds true. stop firing rockets, these problems go away.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

Israel certainly overacts, theres no question. but my statement holds true. stop firing rockets, these problems go away.

That's a very naive viewpoint. It's much bigger than that. The words" god's chosen people" and "apartheid" come to mind.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

why do they have a wall with egypt?

NCfan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

That's a very naive viewpoint. It's much bigger than that. The words" god's chosen people" and "apartheid" come to mind.

What a hypocritical thing to say when the stated goal of Hamas is the destruction of the Israeli nation. It's not the jews who can't live next to arabs, it's the fundamentalist Arabs, such as Hamas that cannot live with jews.

The phrase that comes to mind for me is "know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em." There is 0 probability that Hamas will be able to acheive their stated position, save the use of nucelar weapons.

The position of Hamas keeps them from the negotiating table. So they wage a futile gureila war, picking off Israeli's here and there, with no real chance of acheiving anything. All the while, screaming injustice as Israel acts to mitigate this threat.

It's also ironic that you talk about Israel attacking Hamas and hurting the citizens of Gaza in the process. Can't the same be said of Hamas? If they would forfiet their pipe dream of destroying Israel, maybe they could stop the suffering of their own people.

Pacomc79

MrSmith wrote:

why do they have a wall with egypt?

well, there was that little war a few years back.


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basically the problem here is fundamentalists on both sides of the issue. Both are hell bent on destruction or starvation. It's a long war of attrition.

The regular folks see it differently depending on which side they might be on, but in general this has been over the same issues since the beginning of civilization. They are fighting over semantics. Most people are just tired of the whole thing. Live and let live geez. Stop building walls and bulldozing houses, stop firing freaking rockets and blowing shit up. Allah dosen't care anymore. Let it freaking go. Call it Isralistine and get over the religion and the landmarks....no group is in the right.

Basically they need Martin Luther King....squared.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

NCfan wrote:

What a hypocritical thing to say when the stated goal of Hamas is the destruction of the Israeli nation. It's not the jews who can't live next to arabs, it's the fundamentalist Arabs, such as Hamas that cannot live with jews.

The phrase that comes to mind for me is "know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em." There is 0 probability that Hamas will be able to acheive their stated position, save the use of nucelar weapons.

The position of Hamas keeps them from the negotiating table. So they wage a futile gureila war, picking off Israeli's here and there, with no real chance of acheiving anything. All the while, screaming injustice as Israel acts to mitigate this threat.

It's also ironic that you talk about Israel attacking Hamas and hurting the citizens of Gaza in the process. Can't the same be said of Hamas? If they would forfiet their pipe dream of destroying Israel, maybe they could stop the suffering of their own people.

So you blame the Palestinians?

Bulldozing houses and stealing land is nice...

Cutting off electricity to hospitals is also nice.

Nice colored lens.

You must also be one of Gods chosen people.

What parts of apartheid did you miss?

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So you blame the Palestinians?

Bulldozing houses and stealing land is nice...

Cutting off electricity to hospitals is also nice.

Nice colored lens.

You must also be one of Gods chosen people.

What parts of apartheid did you miss?

he's blaming Hamas.

sad you dont see them as part of the problem. a closed mind is never sees the big picture.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

sad you dont see them as part of the problem. a closed mind is never sees the big picture.

Oh you're going to talk again now?

haha ok

speaking of big picture and hypocrisy..

how ironic indeed...

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Oh you're going to talk again now?

haha ok

speaking of big picture and hypocrisy..

how ironic indeed...

I blame Israel and Hamas for the problems there. you only blame one side. you are becoming more irrelevant by the day, must be the meds.

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

I blame Israel and Hamas for the problems there. you only blame one side. you are becoming more irrelevant by the day, must be the meds.

Tell me jlew how did it all start?

NCfan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So you blame the Palestinians?

Bulldozing houses and stealing land is nice...

Cutting off electricity to hospitals is also nice.

Nice colored lens.

You must also be one of Gods chosen people.

What parts of apartheid did you miss?

No, I don't blame the Palestinians - I blame fundamentalist Arabs who refuse to allow the existence of Israel, and fight and plot everyday to that end. Unfortunatly, the leadership in Gaza right now are exactly those Arabs.

Let's have an honest discussion here. Israel holds blame too, no doubt. Many of there policies have only enflamed the problem.

But my point is that no viable solution can be acheived as long as the Palestinian leadership (Gaza's Hamas for now) is hell bent on destroying Israel. So we can bicker all day long about suicde bombs and rocket attacks, or shutting down borers and cutting off electricity, but that is pointless. These things are only symptoms of a larger problem.

Israel has made many concesions recently, and their leadership and citizens are primed to hammer out peace in the not too distant future. But that will never be acheived until radical Arabs reconcile that they must coexist with a Jewish nation.

So I don't condone what Israel does in the short term, but I do place the blame on Palestinian leadership. The onus is on them to determine the future of the region. If they want to keep fighting, then the war will last indefinetly. Only when they want to find peace with Israel will the door open for that to become reality.

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

Tell me jlew how did it all start?

sometime between 2000-1800 BC


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Jerusalem

NCfan

spiral out wrote:

Tell me jlew how did it all start?

Irrelevant...

spiral out

NCfan wrote:

Irrelevant...

To you maybe, but this is not an equal fight by any means. And if you care to look at the situation with some clarity in other words read up on the conflict from sources other than the biased rubbish media, you would understand why people are not that much impressed with Israel.

NCfan

spiral out wrote:

Tell me jlew how did it all start?

Think about this....

Had the Arabs won any of the 5 wars with Israel in the last 60 years, and therefore the positions where switched - do you think they would concede anything to the Jews? Would they be acting any differently than Israel? Any worst?

Wars may be unjust, but it is a reality that strength and fighting determine the order of the world. Should native americans rise up and fight the US government becuase their land was stolen hundreds of years ago? They could, and they would have a point. They realize the past is the past, time has moved on, and that by doing that they stand 0 chance of acheiving anything other than their own demise. We learn from our mistakes and forge on for the sake of a better future. Too bad radical Arabs cannot do that. Too bad they teach this to their children, so the next generation cannot progress beyond the former.

These two factions have been fighting for thousands of years, but I can tell you that the war has been decided. One side just hasn't figured out they should give up yet.

NCfan

spiral out wrote:

To you maybe, but this is not an equal fight by any means. And if you care to look at the situation with some clarity in other words read up on the conflict from sources other than the biased rubbish media, you would understand why people are not that much impressed with Israel.

I've laid out many points, and you refuse to address any of them directly. So maybe it's a bit pre-mature to imply I don't have any "clarity" on the situation.

Acutally, most of the world is extrememly impressed with Israel. They have one the most progressive societies and strongest economies in the world. All despite being located in a hostile region of the world with an unforgiving, dessert climate.

farfromglorified

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What Israel does to the Palestinians is thoroughly sickening. Destroying people's houses and physically forcing them from their land with violence and death....the very definition of terrorism itself.

Yeah, that pretty much goes both ways.

You can either sit there and fan the fire, or you can stop buying into the bullshit of one side or the other.