President misquoted over gays in Iran: aide

RolandTD20Kdrummer
RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
The term lost in translation comes to mind. Why the western media has such a raging hard on for smearing this guy, and this country, I'll never know. Iran has been a peaceful country for the last 1000 years to my knowledge.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA05294620071010

"TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president was misrepresented by Western media when he was quoted saying there were no gays in Iran, and actually meant there were not so many as in the United States, a presidential aide said on Wednesday.

Addressing New York's Columbia University last month, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad replied to a question about gays in the Islamic Republic saying: "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country."

Speaking through a translator, he also said: "In Iran we don't have this phenomenon."

The remarks drew widespread criticism in the West.

Homosexuality is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic.

"What Ahmadinejad said was not a political answer. He said that, compared to American society, we don't have many homosexuals," presidential media adviser Mohammad Kalhor said.

Kalhor told Reuters that because of historical, religious and cultural differences homosexuality was less common in Iran and the Islamic world than in the West."
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Homosexuality is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic.

    Who the fuck cares what he said or whether or not he was mistranslated as long as the above is the case?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

    Homosexuality is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic.

    yup, sounds peaceful to me.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jeffbr wrote:
    Who the fuck cares what he said or whether or not he was mistranslated as long as the above is the case?


    So do you think they are actually executing gays?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So do you think they are actually executing gays?
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/102249/246
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So do you think they are actually executing gays?
    According to The Boroumand Foundation [9], there are records of at least 107 executions with charges related to homosexuality between 1979 and 1990.[10] According to Amnesty International, at least 5 people convicted of "homosexual tendencies", three men and two women, were executed in January 1990, as a result of the Iranian government's policy of calling for the execution of those who practice homosexuality.[11] In April 1992, Dr. Ali Mozafarian, a Sunni Muslim leader in the Fars province (Southern Iran), was executed in Shiraz after being convicted on charges of espionage, adultery, and sodomy. His videotaped confession was broadcast on television in Shiraz and in the streets of Kazerun and Lar.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Application_of_laws
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Weren't blacks executed in America not too long ago...

    hmm
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    You have to be able to find happy people in every country don't you?
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Weren't blacks executed in America not too long ago...

    hmm

    no they werent. I thought this was about Iran. amazing how quickly you change the subject.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    even flow? wrote:
    You have to be able to find happy people in every country don't you?
    lol
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Weren't blacks executed in America not too long ago...

    hmm

    Like in the muslim peace thread, knowing history is valuable and to say that the united states has a lot of human rights skeletons in its historical closet is true and should not be swept under the rug. But the state can kill you for being gay in Iran. That cannot happen here.

    The story of the (apparent) misquite is definately worth bringing up, and we'll see how much publicity it gets vs. when it was "originally" quoted. But there is no getting around that the quote that two others quoted above is the real shame of the story. This story can't be used to say "the US is worse."
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no they werent. I thought this was about Iran. amazing how quickly you change the subject.


    No? They didn't have people running around burning their churches down and hanging them?

    I'm trying to decide who is less tolerant against whom Iran against homosexuality or you (and others) against all Muslims (not just Iran).
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no they werent. I thought this was about Iran. amazing how quickly you change the subject.

    Well white citizen's killing of blacks was condoned by the courts, which I would say is tacit govenment approval. Nevertheless, we don't execute anyone now for being (insert group here).
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Like in the muslim peace thread, knowing history is valuable and to say that the united states has a lot of human rights skeletons in its historical closet is true and should not be swept under the rug. But the state can kill you for being gay in Iran. That cannot happen here.

    The story of the (apparent) misquite is definately worth bringing up, and we'll see how much publicity it gets vs. when it was "originally" quoted. But there is no getting around that the quote that two others quoted above is the real shame of the story. This story can't be used to say "the US is worse."


    There is also gap in cultures. Societies grow over time.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    No? They didn't have people running around burning their churches down and hanging them?

    I'm trying to decide who is less tolerant against whom Iran against homosexuality or you (and others) against all Muslims (not just Iran).

    wow you are really setting yourself up to look like a fool.

    you asked if Iran actually executes people for being gay. the answer is yes.

    America doesn't kill people for being black.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/102249/246


    This is from 2005! That is so yesterday! :rolleyes:
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wow you are really setting yourself up to look like a fool.

    you asked if Iran actually executes people for being gay. the answer is yes.

    America doesn't kill people for being black.


    They (America) certainly used to.

    Perhaps you expect nothing less than your own experience, and are intolerant of others beliefs?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They certainly used to.
    who the government? theres a good reason why the civil war happened. lets stick to present day k?
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Perhaps expect nothing less then your own experience, and are intolerant of others beliefs?


    I am very intolerant of Iran killing people because they are gay. even if you applaud it.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    This is from 2005! That is so yesterday! :rolleyes:

    can you imagine the thread you and your buddy roland would make if America hung people in 2005 for being gay.

    my guess is you'd be a little upset and call America out for it.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    can you imagine the thread you and your buddy roland would make if America hung people in 2005 for being gay.

    my guess is you'd be a little upset and call America out for it.

    1800 yrs - 2 yrs, it's the past man, let it go. Give examples of 2007!
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    who the government? theres a good reason why the civil war happened. lets stick to present day k?




    I am very intolerant or Iran killing people because they are gay. even if you applaud it.

    History is history. Apples is apples, not oranges.

    When did I say I applauded it?

    I said your level of tolerance towards people that are differ from you is essentially zero.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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