short 9/11 video (includes molten steel columns

wait a sec. The weekend before 9/11 on Sept 8th and 9th the power was completely shut off to upgrade the buildings internet cables?!

Guys were walking around everywhere with spools of wire and large toolboxes wiring up the building all over the place just 48 hours prior to 9/11?

at 1 hour 4 mins 45 secs:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

wait a sec. The weekend before 9/11 on Sept 8th and 9th the power was completely shut off to upgrade the buildings internet cables?!

Guys were walking around everywhere with spools of wire and large toolboxes wiring up the building all over the place just 48 hours prior to 9/11?

at 1 hour 4 mins 45 secs:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

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This is ridiculous and probably not even true. From what I have read it is one person telling this story about this. But lets assume it is true.

Here is a quote about an actual demolition of a building:
Preparing for a controlled demolition takes very much longer:

In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 "primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20020304145120

That's 24 days to prepare a smaller building (33 levels including basements) for demolition. And they didn't have to hide the 4,118 charges or 36,000 feet of detonating cord, either. Oh, and remember that Forbes said he worked the weekend, so there were independent witnesses around for at least some of that time. If this “power down” was a cover for demolition preparations, then it’s hard to know exactly what could be done in the time available."

Also,
"are we supposed to believe that security systems fed off the same power system as everything else? So a power cut meant no security at all? Look at the affected tenants, if the “floor 50 upwards” version is true -- First Commercial Bank (floor 78), Fuji Bank (79-82), Fiduciary Trust, Atlantic Bank of New York... Do you really think these companies would live with a situation like that, or not object that all security for their offices has been disabled?

#4, even if all this were true, it still only provided access to half of one tower. What about the North Tower? WTC7? No mention of "power downs" there"

Just more made up stories to try to make things sound suspicious but again..no proof of anything.

idratherbe wrote:

What never happened? The twin towers came down in 10 seconds; straight down.

~peace~

No, they didn't. How could you possibly believe that the building fell within its own footprint?? Check out this picture of the collapse. Does this really look like debris is falling within its own footprint? And a side note, look how much of the building is falling towards #7.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The foundations of the twin towers were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were four inches thick.

Videos of the North Tower collapse show its communication mast falling first, indicating that the central support columns must have failed at the very beginning of the collapse. Loizeaux told AFP, "Everything went simultaneously."

Loizeaux said, "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure."

SEISMIC 'SPIKES'
Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.

However, the Palisades seismic record shows that-as the collapses began-a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth.

These unexplained "spikes" in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.

There have been no reports of people feeling any seismic events before the planes hit. This would be well documented if it was true.

This is quite a bit of reading if you follow all the links but to me it clears it up.
http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_proof_.html

idratherbe wrote:

OK, since you say so, I believe you. Nice retorts.

Anyone else who is interested, this is an hour and a half, but food for thought, made by a self-proclaimed conservative Republican:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

Description of the movie is on the right side of the screen.

~peace~

I'm sorry, but some of the most importants claims made on this video were by two individuals (a security guard and a tenant [who apparently refused to be filmed]) Not that there is anything wrong with these two in and of themselves, but they make some damning claims, that if were true would really help your cause (i.e. numerous explosions day of attack, power out weekend before, men with wires and toolboxes, empty floors with loud noises that the snoopy Brit looked at to find empty and the security guard who wouldn't look in even on the day of attact to try and rescue people because he was afraid of the floor [one of my favorite parts actually], etc.) that were only described by these two guys. Most of which were individual claims not repeated by the other. Now with a structure that held thousands upon thousands of people, wouldn't more people have reported, not so much the empty floor renovations, but the men walking around with wires and large toolboxes?!?!?

With that being said there was some interesing claims made throughout the video, too bad most were opinions that weren't proved in my eyes, but interesting nonetheless. FInally, my favorite part of the movie was the description on the right which read : "Finally, watch out-make sure you don't miss the ending-minutes 1:26-1:30. Absolutely the best part. Wake up, and you will make the difference." At around 1:26 on my computer is when the credits started to roll, and on this point I wholeheartedly agree with the movie, That was "Absolutely the best part"!

MakingWaves wrote:

It wasn't just fire that brought down the buildings!!

But you forgot the Madrid Windsor Tower in Spain. It also burned for hours and did not have a total collapse. But a portion of the building did collapse. Can you guess which portion?? The portion where the structure relied on steel frames! Yes, steel frames weakened and collapsed after buring for over 18 hours. You might want to say, "Ha, it took 18 hours for it to collapse!". But wait..a jet did not slam into the side of the freaking building weakening the structure before the fire. Again...what you are saying sounds good and would lead some people to be suspicious but there is a logical and scientific explanation and what you say proves nothing.

and what of building (3),4,5,6? all suffered structural damage and fire....all burned for hours and remained standing.

The Madrid tower also didn't come down in a blaze of glory once the collapse started either.... :rolleyes: there goes the progressive collapse theory out the window...

Madrid tower collpase timeline:
1:29
East face of the 21st floor collapsed
1:37
South middle section of several floors above the 21st floor gradually collapsed
1:50
Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:02
Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:11
Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:13
Floors above about 25th floor collapsed
Large collapse of middle section at about 20th floor
2:17
Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:47
Southwest corner of 1 ~ 2 floors below about 20th floor collapsed
2:51
Southeast corner of about 18th ~ 20th floors collapsed
3:35
South middle section of about 17th ~ 20th floors collapsed
Fire broke through the Upper Technical Floor
3:48
Fire flame spurted out below the Upper Technical Floor
4:17
Debris on the Upper Technical Floor fell down

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.

Forbes stated that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC’s first occupants after it was erected, and that a “power-down” had never been initiated prior to this occasion. He also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) – approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors.

Forbes did stress, though, that there was power to the WTC’s lower floors, and that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out. In an e-mail to journalist John Kaminski, author of The Day America Died (Sisyphus Press) and America’s Autopsy Report (Dandelion Books), Forbes wrote: “Without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors, and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”

I know what i saw.
and are you saying that the power to the upper floors and the observation deck was out too? and no one mentioned this before...no tourist who tried to get up there on a saturday? do you really want me to believe that a financial institution would have no power for security? or that their is no back up generator?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors.

Forbes did stress, though, that there was power to the WTC’s lower floors, and that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out. “Without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors, and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”

First he said that there was no electricity on the upper floors. Then that transcends to knock out all security cameras throughout the building??? Why would a power outage on the top floors (which is being disputed on here by someone working there those days) knock out the security cameras throughout the structure. And as mentioned earlier, this was in one tower. When did the power outage, security camera crisis, and placement of explosives on the other tower take place?