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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lucylespian wrote:
    No , it's not, it just gives instructions to muscles to creat mevemnt. My father would not have spent 13yr in a wheelchair after his stroke if the mind was that powerful.

    Mind influences mind, but not physical objects.

    Well yeah if your brain takes damage directly it's a somewhat of a catch 22 scenario. The power to control within is much stronger than outwards.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    What word is not eternally unstable and in intertextual freeform multidialogic play with every alternating, alternative and altar-hallowed context of discourse in which it has been uttered? What word, a signifier without a signified (since the word signified is nothing by a signifier) relates to a fact, since the word fact is just another signifier without a signified, even more so now we know the word signified relates less to fact than that last time I used fact relates to anything but the context in which I just used the word fact...

    Lost me?


    Pity. read this Nietzsche essay instead:

    http://www.e-scoala.ro/biblioteca/friedrich_nietzsche.html
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    What word is not eternally unstable and in intertextual freeform multidialogic play with every alternating, alternative and altar-hallowed context of discourse in which it has been uttered? What word, a signifier without a signified (since the word signified is nothing by a signifier) relates to a fact, since the word fact is just another signifier without a signified, even more so now we know the word signified relates less to fact than that last time I used fact relates to anything but the context in which I just used the word fact...

    Lost me?


    Pity. read this Nietzsche essay instead:

    http://www.e-scoala.ro/biblioteca/friedrich_nietzsche.html

    yes...delicious with a subtle nutty flavor all in one bite...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ok those guilty own up.... :D


    "Solipsism syndrome is a state of mind in which a person begins to feel that everything is a dream and is not real.

    Solipsism is a philosophical theory that everything is in the imagination, and there is no reality outside one's own mind. As a philosophical theory it is interesting because it is internally consistent and, therefore, cannot be disproved. But as a psychological state, it is highly uncomfortable. The whole of life becomes a long dream from which an individual can never wake up. Even friends are not real, they are a part of the dream. A person may feel very lonely and detached, and eventually becomes apathetic and indifferent."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism_syndrome
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    What word is not eternally unstable and in intertextual freeform multidialogic play with every alternating, alternative and altar-hallowed context of discourse in which it has been uttered? What word, a signifier without a signified (since the word signified is nothing by a signifier) relates to a fact, since the word fact is just another signifier without a signified, even more so now we know the word signified relates less to fact than that last time I used fact relates to anything but the context in which I just used the word fact...

    Lost me?


    Pity. read this Nietzsche essay instead:

    http://www.e-scoala.ro/biblioteca/friedrich_nietzsche.html

    I read every word you said, but it smells more like bullshit than brilliance.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I read every word you said, but it smells more like bullshit than brilliance.

    You should read up on deconstructionist philosophy then, or start by reading up on some basic textbook philosophy, to begin with. What you got treated to was a practical exercise in what Jacques Derrida called Différance. Note the spelling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff%C3%A9rance

    I demonstrated to you how words interoperate to defer meaning (fact), and how they differ semantically according to context. I was showing you that given the eternal instability of language, it is impossible to make a word (a signifier - c'mon, you know some basic Saussure, right, or you wouldn't be having a conversation of this sort?) a direct reflection of a signified (the real object), because language is always at a distance from reality.

    Incidentally, a common misreading of Derrida is that he was denying reality. He wasn't. He was only showing that language is nothing to do with reality and can't begin to "represent" it.




    You've got to get up pretty early in the morning to catch me.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    You should read up on deconstructionist philosophy then, or start by reading up on some basic textbook philosophy, to begin with. What you got treated to was a practical exercise in what Jacques Derrida called Différance. Note the spelling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff%C3%A9rance

    I demonstrated to you how words interoperate to defer meaning (fact), and how they differ semantically according to context. I was showing you that given the eternal instability of language, it is impossible to make a word (a signifier - c'mon, you know some basic Saussure, right, or you wouldn't be having a conversation of this sort?) a direct reflection of a signified (the real object), because language is always at a distance from reality?

    Incidentally, a common misreading of Derrida is that he was denying reality. He wasn't. He was only showing that language is nothing to do with reality and can't begin to "represent" it.




    You've got to get up pretty early in the morning to catch me.

    I've never read any of this stuff. But I understand. Because: I have a 72 IQ.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Thank fuck for that, gue. That makes two of us. Lonely at the top, innit? ;)
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Thank fuck for that, gue. That makes two of us. Lonely at the top, innit? ;)

    solipitically so, sometimes. :)
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Doesn't Nietzsche mean nuts in German? :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Doesn't Nietzsche mean nuts in German? :D


    He means nuts in any fucking language, if you ask me, but I thought I'd stir the pot. The fucking education has to come in handy occasionally. :D
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    He means nuts in any fucking language, if you ask me, but I thought I'd stir the pot. The fucking education has to come in handy occasionally. :D

    lol
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Ok those guilty own up.... :D


    "Solipsism syndrome is a state of mind in which a person begins to feel that everything is a dream and is not real.

    Solipsism is a philosophical theory that everything is in the imagination, and there is no reality outside one's own mind. As a philosophical theory it is interesting because it is internally consistent and, therefore, cannot be disproved. But as a psychological state, it is highly uncomfortable. The whole of life becomes a long dream from which an individual can never wake up. Even friends are not real, they are a part of the dream. A person may feel very lonely and detached, and eventually becomes apathetic and indifferent."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism_syndrome


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaeIP1NiF1M I fucking love this song
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    angels share laughter
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    prism wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaeIP1NiF1M I fucking love this song

    Nice! super mellow tune, killer stage. The xray stuff was great.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    You should read up on deconstructionist philosophy then, or start by reading up on some basic textbook philosophy, to begin with. What you got treated to was a practical exercise in what Jacques Derrida called Différance. Note the spelling.

    yep spelling duly noted fins. cause it's french that means it has more validity than if it were in english, no? :D:D:p
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    catefrances wrote:
    ...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?

    I agree. 'nuff said :D too lazy at the moment to back my case. I believe I have a valid point behind agreeing, therefore, it exists :p
  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    catefrances wrote:
    ...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?

    There is an anime called Serial Experiments Lain that deals with this question. You should check it out on youtube, it would be right up your alley.


    Anyway, I would say if the answer is yes, then that is proof there is a god.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    There is an anime called Serial Experiments Lain that deals with this question. You should check it out on youtube, it would be right up your alley.


    Anyway, I would say if the answer is yes, then that is proof there is a god.

    Proof of one kind of...thought-god.
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  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    catefrances wrote:
    ...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?

    If a tree falls in the Message Pit and no one is there to hear it, did it really fall?
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    gue_barium wrote:
    Proof of one kind of...thought-god.


    Yes... is there any other?

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