Is God infallible?

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that's the only one that makes any rational sense

Absolutely the God of the Christian Bible does not exist.

As far as his fallibility, I think this scripture speaks for it's self.


Genesis 18
Abraham Pleads for Sodom

16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."
20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. [e] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [f] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge [g] of all the earth do right?"

26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"
"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."

30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"
He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."

31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"
He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."

32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

33 When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

ForestBrain wrote:

The world is imperfect because the world does not do what God wants them to do.
According to the Bible...if you don't do what God says, you get cursed.
I hate it when people blame God for the state of the world. They need to look at themselves instead.

Ahnimus, AT Least, please, use the real Bible, not that phony crap you just typed in. Thanks.

New King James Version

16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. 17 And the LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the LORD said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”
22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
26 So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”
27 Then Abraham answered and said, “Indeed now, I who am but dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: 28 Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for lack of five?”
So He said, “If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy it.”
29 And he spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose there should be forty found there?”
So He said, “I will not do it for the sake of forty.”
30 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Suppose thirty should be found there?”
So He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
31 And he said, “Indeed now, I have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose twenty should be found there?”
So He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty.”
32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?”
And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.” 33 So the LORD went His way as soon as He had finished speaking with Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.

ForestBrain wrote:

The world is imperfect because the world does not do what God wants them to do.
According to the Bible...if you don't do what God says, you get cursed.
I hate it when people blame God for the state of the world. They need to look at themselves instead.

Ahnimus, AT Least, please, use the real Bible, not that phony crap you just typed in. Thanks.

Actually, the world is perfectly perfect, atleast if you listen to what Cosmologists like Stephen Hawking are saying. But then if you listen to science, then you probably wouldn't believe in God anyway. The initial configuration of the universe must have been such that it couldn't have been any other way, or they may be only a few possible configurations that would allow for the emergence of intelligent life, since most configurations would recollapse on themselves within a nanosecond. From the point of the configurations that work, everything evolves systematically with the laws of science, including humans, and our evolution is not a free enterprise, we move with the universe, we cannot move otherwise.

im not religious but..


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ForestBrain wrote:

^ still garbage. The KJV is the original, the others are...man's interpretation, and that a lousy one.

The story is the same either way. Abraham bargained with God to do the "righteous" thing. This would not be necessary if God were infallible, and if Abraham himself believed God was infallible, he wouldn't have questioned God.

KJV

22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes:

28Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

33And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

DOSW wrote:

Yes, good point, but what my professor was trying to say was....

Why didn't God make us incapable of evil then? Free will is usually the argument, but couldn't God have made us believe that we act freely, while still making us incapable of doing wrong? He is all powerful, after all.

If there is a God, she's succeeded in making us believe we are free, while in-fact we are not.

If god does indeed exist (which I don't believe, at least in the church concept) yes I do believe god is infallible.

Why you might ask? We don't know the end. Imagine if you will that the history of man in book form. We have no idea if this current time is the beginning, middle, or end of that book.

People throughout history have predicted the end times are near. And every time, EVERY TIME they have been wrong. Why? Because they can only think in the present tense.

I believe we will live on as a species for a long long time. All the while people will wonder when the end is coming, and it wont come until we least (although 'we' as in the people alive now will be long long long looooooooooooooooooong dead) expect it.

That is the nature of things, dare I say it, the nature of god. That is if I could assign any sort of trait to god. Being an insignificant human in the grand scheme of things I know how silly it is to try and place anything on 'God'

Anyway! thats what I think! At least, thats what I think after having a few drinks!