Is God infallible?

catefrances

can you make something out of nothing? i asked my 10 year old this question a minute ago.
his response: how can you make something out of nothing. you've got nothing to make it with. i find it impossible.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Bu2 wrote:

I believed that God created the big bang. But that still leads one to question, who was God, to have been able to do that? Was he a scientist? Was he from another planet with wisdom far deeper than our own? And when creating that big bang, did he know the outcome, or did he sit down on a chair in his lab and say "Holy Shit!" once he saw what his big bang created?

Did he watch as beings grew from the dirt or did he make man on the 7000th day of life? Did he hope we'd all behave ourselves and be nice and not kill one another or eat meat on Friday's, or did he have a Rabbi sitting next to him dictating the stone tablets that Moses carried down from the mountain? Did he impregnate Mary in his lab while she was sleeping and then send her back down to earth to give the "happy news" to Joseph?

All these questions ran through my head, for most of my life (which explains my beer belly and forehead wrinkles) and I finally gave up seeking the answers and asking the questions and just said, "Whatever....let's just be nice to one another and the planet we were lucky enough to be born on."

Much simpler.

A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.

We know infinity exists and can be proven.

catefrances

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.

We know infinity exists and can be proven.

how can we prove infinity if by its very definition something infinite has indeterminate bounds?
just cause something is beyond our scope doesn't mean it is infinite. it just means its boundary is not observable.

Bu2

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

A distinct point of creation is complete denial of infinity.

We know infinity exists and can be proven.

..in other words, please enlighten me?

Meaning that -- we all know I talk a lot....I ramble....I say lots of things at once (and sometimes regret it in the morning).....but you all give me these short, trite answers, and I don't know whether I should feel like I was put down, or whether I should just agree with you.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

catefrances wrote:

how can we prove infinity if by its very definition something infinite has indeterminate bounds?
just cause something is beyond our scope doesn't mean it is infinite. it just means its boundary is not observable.

By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.

The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.

Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.

The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").


If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.

Bu2

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing...
you gotta have something
if you wanna be with me!

Joking aside, eternity has no beginning and no ending. It just "is".

Well, that's cool for eternity, but what about the rest of us who can't fathom an endless, beginningless something.

Is that God? Is it that easy? You just say, "Well, we can't understand it, because we're human and we're not God. God is eternal, and we're not"?

For those of us who want to live longer, or die sooner, how can you ask us to accept an eternal anything?

catefrances

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.

The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.

Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.

The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").


If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.

oh i don't believe in creation. i think you know that already. but i am also not prepared to take science or theoretical premises at face value either, just cause someone tells me something is so.

Bu2

on a different note entirely....why can't I get into Gabbly?

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

oh i don't believe in creation. i think you know that already. but i am also not prepared to take science or theoretical premises at face value either, just cause someone tells me something is so.

You can take a physics class.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

You can take a physics class.

yeah i guess i could. but when it comes to something as vast as the universe tis really only speculation and theory isn't it. you can prove practically anything if all you have to do is theorise.

bootlegger10

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

By the mere fact that it can exist on a page in numerical representation.

The universe is an all or nothing principle. Empty or full. Something or nothing.

Creation is an impossibility. who created the creator? and so on...forever...it's a catch 22 that ultimately fails on the most basic level of understanding.

The universe just exists (energy just exists)...no beginning....no end....nover lost....always changing. Always has...always will. We are just one tiny (tiny) piece of it (the actual "universe").


If we came somewhere from nothingness, then it wasn't truly "nothing" to begin with. 100% "Nothing" can never be "anything" otherwise it wasn't nothing to begin with. Therefore nothing is an impossibility because...well...look around....something...lots of something.

So, I can't believe that a "creator" has always existed, but it is okay to believe that "energy" has always existed?

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

yeah i guess i could. but when it comes to something as vast as the universe tis really only speculation and theory isn't it. you can prove practically anything if all you have to do is theorise.

It's not all just theory.

Without our current understanding of physics, most of what we have wouldn't work, like computers, amusement park rides, satellite, etc..

Theoretical Physics isn't just speculation either. First of all it has to be testable, falsifiable and work with physics in general. I don't understand the math myself, but mathematical proof is very supportive. We need a Grand Unified Theory and then it'll be a lot simpler.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

You don't have an answer. You are just spitting nonsense. I find it quite annoying that you make statements you can't back up. If you want to have an opinion, you should have some knowledge backing it up.

Here is a lesson:

Mental Retardation is caused by:

Down syndrome, fetal alcohol syndrome and Fragile X syndrome are the three most common inborn causes. However, doctors have found many other causes. The most common are:

Genetic conditions. Sometimes disability is caused by abnormal genes inherited from parents, errors when genes combine, or other reasons. Examples of genetic conditions include Down syndrome, Fragile X syndrome, Phelan-McDermid syndrome (22q13del), Mowat-Wilson syndrome and phenylketonuria (PKU).
Problems during pregnancy. Mental disability can result when the fetus does not develop inside the mother properly. For example, there may be a problem with the way the fetus's cells divide as it grows. A woman who drinks alcohol (see fetal alcohol syndrome) or gets an infection like rubella during pregnancy may also have a baby with mental disability.
Problems at birth. If a baby has problems during labor and birth, such as not getting enough oxygen, he or she may have developmental disability due to brain damage.
Health problems. Diseases like whooping cough, measles, or meningitis can cause mental disability. It can also be caused by not getting enough medical care, or by being exposed to poisons like lead or mercury.
Iodine deficiency, affecting approximately 2 billion people worldwide, is the leading preventable cause of mental disability in areas of the developing world where iodine deficiency is endemic. Iodine deficiency also causes goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid gland. More common than full-fledged cretinism, as retardation caused by severe iodine deficiency is called, is mild impairment of intelligence. Certain areas of the world due to natural deficiency and governmental inaction are severely affected. India is the most outstanding, with 500 million suffering from deficiency, 54 million from goiter, and 2 million from cretinism. Among other nations affected by iodine deficiency, China and Kazakhstan have begun taking action, while Russia has not. [5]
Malnutrition is a common cause of reduced intelligence in parts of the world affected by famine, such as Ethiopia. [6]
The use of forceps during birth can lead to mental retardation in an otherwise normal child. They can fracture the skull and cause brain damage.
Institutionalisation at a young age can cause mental retardation in normal children.
Sensory deprivation in the form of severe environmental restrictions (such as being locked in a basement or under a staircase), prolonged isolation, or severe atypical parent-child interactions.
Psycho-social disadvantage. Contributing factors are lack of reading material, use of a language not common in that community, poor diet, poor health practices, and poor housing.

What do all these things have in common? They affect the normal development of the brain!

The BRAIN is the underlying cause of intelligence.

What you don't seem to understand is that I have a different point of view than you and you can't deal with it. We speak different languages. So what?

Get your panties in a bunch over somebody else. I have nothing to prove to you. Never have, never will.

PJPOWER

gue_barium wrote:

What you don't seem to understand is that I have a different point of view than you and you can't deal with it. We speak different languages. So what?

Get your panties in a bunch over somebody else. I have nothing to prove to you. Never have, never will.

Thank God! I don't think you'd ever be able to prove a point even if you had one, lol

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

What you don't seem to understand is that I have a different point of view than you and you can't deal with it. We speak different languages. So what?

Get your panties in a bunch over somebody else. I have nothing to prove to you. Never have, never will.

Cause I don't speak rubbish.

deadnothingbetter

Ahnimus wrote:

We live in democracies and those people vote.

awww... :( i feel terribly sorry about that

MakingWaves

Ahnimus wrote:

It's not all just theory.

Without our current understanding of physics, most of what we have wouldn't work, like computers, amusement park rides, satellite, etc..

Theoretical Physics isn't just speculation either. First of all it has to be testable, falsifiable and work with physics in general. I don't understand the math myself, but mathematical proof is very supportive. We need a Grand Unified Theory and then it'll be a lot simpler.

If anyone ever comes up with the Grand Unified Theory their name will be known to everyone throughout history. This is stuff I don't think any human will ever be able to comprehend or find a final solution. This of course leads to me believing that no matter how long we as a human race are lucky enough to hang around the beautiful planet we have we will never fully understand why and how any of this came to exist.

deadnothingbetter

MakingWaves wrote:

If anyone ever comes up with the Grand Unified Theory their name will be known to everyone throughout history. This is stuff I don't think any human will ever be able to comprehend or find a final solution. This of course leads to me believing that no matter how long we as a human race are lucky enough to hang around the beautiful planet we have we will never fully understand why and how any of this came to exist.

not unless, of course, you have faith in something.... that in essence clears any questions you might have about "life", or whatnot.

catefrances

deadnothingbetter wrote:

not unless, of course, you have faith in something.... that in essence clears any questions you might have about "life", or whatnot.

having faith will clear up any questions you might have? are you kidding me?

having faith in something means NOT looking for an answer and just trusting that it'll be all okay.

deadnothingbetter

catefrances wrote:

having faith will clear up any questions you might have? are you kidding me?

having faith in something means NOT looking for an answer and just trusting that it'll be all okay.

then you, my dear friend, have not experienced real faith.